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[Joffaboy]

You guys are stating there is no voter fraud ... and then say ..well nothing significant anyway
So is there or isn't there ..or is a little fraud acceptable?

No saying there is no credible evidence. If there is fraud show the clear evidence. the only evidence I found, I posted above.

 

[StCicatriz]

Mate, people didn’t get worked up over fake wars or Obama incinerating babies with drone strikes, the world will keep spinning and the zombies will go back to doing what they do

oh so now we are using foreign conflict as a form of whataboutism to delegitimise any concern over Trump's attack on democracy

why is it so damn hard for some people to just to call out Trump's behaviour here?

 

[StCicatriz]

No saying there is no credible evidence. If there is fraud show the clear evidence. the only evidence I found, I posted above.

so far there's just been some random video of a postal worker in Nevada. nothing to support any wide scale election fraud that supports Trump's claims to void millions of votes in:
- michigan
- wisconsin
- georgia
- Pennsylvania

i don't get why this is so hard for people. are they seriously that tied to the Trump outcome they are willing to overlook reason and how a leader should react to an election outcome?

can you imagine the shit fight if Obama did this if he lost to McCain?

 

[Joffaboy]

I don't have a definitive answer because at this stage it is unknown if the fraud is on a minor or major scale.

Evidence from a credible source?

here's something to ponder from a non partisan Lawyers group in the US

The Myth of Voter Fraud

Extensive research reveals that fraud is very rare. Yet repeated, false allegations of fraud can make it harder for millions of eligible Americans to participate in elections.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[Dard Ball Get]

oh so now we are using foreign conflict as a form of whataboutism to delegitimise any concern over Trump's attack on democracy

why is it so damn hard for some people to just to call out Trump's behaviour here?

All I said was that nothing will change. Most Americans don’t even vote, they aren’t about to get passionate about democracy.

 

[Ceanag]

No saying there is no credible evidence. If there is fraud show the clear evidence. the only evidence I found, I posted above.

Just wondering if you have seen or heard of Project Veritas ...I've mentioned it a few times but nobody has addressed the voter fraud they have recently uncovered.

 

[StCicatriz]

"if you count the legal votes, i easily win. if you count the illegal votes, they can try to steal the election from us, if you count the votes that came in late"

does anyone at all have any even remotely relevant evidence to support this?

 

[StCicatriz]

Just wondering if you have seen or heard of Project Veritas ...I've mentioned it a few times but nobody has addressed the voter fraud they have recently uncovered.

i've looked, please tell me what evidence they have to support mass voter fraud in:
- wisconsin
- georgia
- michigan
- Pennslyvania

 

[Joffaboy]

Hilarious

Project Veritas is an American far-right[4][5][6][7][8][9] activist group founded by James O'Keefe in 2010.[10][11][12][13] The group uses undercover techniques to reveal supposed liberal bias and corruption[10] and is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations, left-leaning groups[14][11][15][16][17][18][19] and debunked conspiracy theories.[11][20][21] In a 2018 book on propaganda and disinformation in U.S. politics, three Harvard University scholars refer to Project Veritas as a "right-wing disinformation outfit"

And guess who funds it

Funding and organization
Much of the funding for Project Veritas comes from anonymous donations through Donors Trust, a conservative, American nonprofit donor-advised fund backed by the Koch brothers, which according to its promotional materials, says that it will "keep your charitable giving private, especially gifts funding sensitive or controversial issues".[186][187] Prominent donors have included the Trump Foundation, which donated $10,000 in May 2015.[188][189]

Couldn't make this shit up.

Who in their right mind would use this as a credible source

 

[Verdun]

 

[StCicatriz]

Hilarious

Project Veritas is an American far-right[4][5][6][7][8][9] activist group founded by James O'Keefe in 2010.[10][11][12][13] The group uses undercover techniques to reveal supposed liberal bias and corruption[10] and is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations, left-leaning groups[14][11][15][16][17][18][19] and debunked conspiracy theories.[11][20][21] In a 2018 book on propaganda and disinformation in U.S. politics, three Harvard University scholars refer to Project Veritas as a "right-wing disinformation outfit"

And guess who funds it

Funding and organization
Much of the funding for Project Veritas comes from anonymous donations through Donors Trust, a conservative, American nonprofit donor-advised fund backed by the Koch brothers, which according to its promotional materials, says that it will "keep your charitable giving private, especially gifts funding sensitive or controversial issues".[186][187] Prominent donors have included the Trump Foundation, which donated $10,000 in May 2015.[188][189]

Couldn't make this sh*t up.

Who in their right mind would use this as a credible source

hahahahaha

even on their twitter account they only have one video of some postal worker in navada claiming he was changing postal votes

ONE WORKER. IN NEVADA!!!!!!!!

nothing about the 4 states that will decide the election that Trump is claiming is fraudulent.

 

[George]

Imagine these in here if he wins Dard Ball Get

 

[Ceanag]

Hilarious

Project Veritas is an American far-right[4][5][6][7][8][9] activist group founded by James O'Keefe in 2010.[10][11][12][13] The group uses undercover techniques to reveal supposed liberal bias and corruption[10] and is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations, left-leaning groups[14][11][15][16][17][18][19] and debunked conspiracy theories.[11][20][21] In a 2018 book on propaganda and disinformation in U.S. politics, three Harvard University scholars refer to Project Veritas as a "right-wing disinformation outfit"

And guess who funds it

Funding and organization
Much of the funding for Project Veritas comes from anonymous donations through Donors Trust, a conservative, American nonprofit donor-advised fund backed by the Koch brothers, which according to its promotional materials, says that it will "keep your charitable giving private, especially gifts funding sensitive or controversial issues".[186][187] Prominent donors have included the Trump Foundation, which donated $10,000 in May 2015.[188][189]

Couldn't make this sh*t up.

Who in their right mind would use this as a credible source

So I take it you have not watched any of their reports or videos .... Until you do you should not be so disparaging.

 

[Ceanag]

hahahahaha

even on their twitter account they only have one video of some postal worker in navada claiming he was changing postal votes

ONE WORKER. IN NEVADA!!!!!!!!

nothing about the 4 states that will decide the election that Trump is claiming is fraudulent.

The point is you are claiming there is zero voter fraud ... that is untrue

 

[SaintsSeptember]

You guys are stating there is no voter fraud ... and then say ..well nothing significant anyway
So is there or isn't there ..or is a little fraud acceptable?

I work in Australian elections , which are different but surely have some similarities.
But we see smirking smartasses sneak the ballots into their pocket and walk out the door, thinking they've caused some huge upset.

At the end of the day, most polling places can reconcile the votes vs ballots to within a few papers. Votes are counted with scrutineers from the political parties present.

Now if an entire electorate came down to less than 100 votes, the uncertainty due to failure to reconcile may be more than the difference in votes....uh oh...by- election. In practise its never that close or never that out.

There would be a similar system in the USA. I'm not sure what their system is but i'd be stunned and amazed if they didn't have accountability and error calculation built into it.

Depending what the numbers are, a little fraud , while not acceptable, is irrelevant in most cases.

Any relevant fraud would need to be organised in high number and involve something like counterfeit ballot papers.
I have no idea how that could be orchestrated.

 

[StCicatriz]

"i won in Pennsylvania by alot"

"likewise i won in Georgia by alot, but now its been dwindled down, to losing by a little. a pipe burst, they stopped counting for 4 hours, lots of things happened, its run by democrats"

"likewise i won by a lot in michigan"

Trump is cooked

 

[Stewart66]

Hilarious

Project Veritas is an American far-right[4][5][6][7][8][9] activist group founded by James O'Keefe in 2010.[10][11][12][13] The group uses undercover techniques to reveal supposed liberal bias and corruption[10] and is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations, left-leaning groups[14][11][15][16][17][18][19] and debunked conspiracy theories.[11][20][21] In a 2018 book on propaganda and disinformation in U.S. politics, three Harvard University scholars refer to Project Veritas as a "right-wing disinformation outfit"

And guess who funds it

Funding and organization
Much of the funding for Project Veritas comes from anonymous donations through Donors Trust, a conservative, American nonprofit donor-advised fund backed by the Koch brothers, which according to its promotional materials, says that it will "keep your charitable giving private, especially gifts funding sensitive or controversial issues".[186][187] Prominent donors have included the Trump Foundation, which donated $10,000 in May 2015.[188][189]

Couldn't make this sh*t up.

Who in their right mind would use this as a credible source

United States have never been United .

 

[StCicatriz]

You guys are stating there is no voter fraud ... and then say ..well nothing significant anyway
So is there or isn't there ..or is a little fraud acceptable?

what evidence do you have of voter fraud?

if there is voter fraud is the election result in question?

are trump's claims correct that there are large numbers of invalid votes that were late votes that have altered the resulted of the election and stolen his election victory?

i'd like to think people would be more worked up about an attack on democracy and would defend that instead of defending trump because they were hoping he would win

if that does not happen we are in a whole mire of sh*t in terms of problems moving forward

I don't have a definitive answer to your 2nd and 3rd points ...at this stage
But if you think there is zero fraud then you have your head in the sand.
Did you check out Project Veritas yet?

why don't you have a definitive answer?

why are people just glossing over Trump's comments again? they are not minor comments, he can't just come out and announce large scale election fraud where millions of votes are invalid and have no evidence of such

can you summarise the claims project veritas has made to support trump's claims in:
- michigan
- wisconsin
- georgia
- Pennsylvania

I don't have a definitive answer because at this stage it is unknown if the fraud is on a minor or major scale.

so far there's just been some random video of a postal worker in Nevada. nothing to support any wide scale election fraud that supports Trump's claims to void millions of votes in:
- michigan
- wisconsin
- georgia
- Pennsylvania

i don't get why this is so hard for people. are they seriously that tied to the Trump outcome they are willing to overlook reason and how a leader should react to an election outcome?

can you imagine the sh*t fight if Obama did this if he lost to McCain?

i've looked, please tell me what evidence they have to support mass voter fraud in:
- wisconsin
- georgia
- michigan
- Pennslyvania

The point is you are claiming there is zero voter fraud ... that is untrue

you've claimed Veritas has evidence of Voter fraud. when questionned on if you agree with trump's statement that's there is voter fraud that will void millions of votes in the 4 battleground states, you provided nothing.

you keep going back to arguing that there might be "some" fraud occurring. that's not what people are arguing here.

they're directly asking you, what evidence have you seen that support's trump statements. in other words, what evidence is there that there is voter fraud in:
- wisconsin
- georgia
- michigan
- Pennslyvania

that's it. a simple question. what evidence is there?

 

[George]

that's it. a simple question. what evidence is there?

Why don't we all wait and find out?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

you've claimed Veritas has evidence of Voter fraud. when questionned on if you agree with trump's statement that's there is voter fraud that will void millions of votes in the 4 battleground states, you provided nothing.

you keep going back to arguing that there might be "some" fraud occurring. that's not what people are arguing here.

they're directly asking you, what evidence have you seen that support's trump statements. in other words, what evidence is there that there is voter fraud in:
- wisconsin
- georgia
- michigan
- Pennslyvania

that's it. a simple question. what evidence is there?

Its the Vibe.

 

[StCicatriz]

Why don't we all wait and find out?

you can't as a leader, make a statement off the cuff with no evidence to support it.

this is what trump does, he blatantly lies, then people go through the mental gymnastics to try and support it.

so far every claim he has made has been completely debunked.

i don't think the question i asked was unfair.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Why don't we all wait and find out?

We never will, it will be like the world trade centre conspiracy, never revealed. Those who follow blindly like sheep will never know the true reality about what happens on this flat earth.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

All I said was that nothing will change. Most Americans don’t even vote, they aren’t about to get passionate about democracy.

 

[Ceanag]

you've claimed Veritas has evidence of Voter fraud. when questionned on if you agree with trump's statement that's there is voter fraud that will void millions of votes in the 4 battleground states, you provided nothing.

you keep going back to arguing that there might be "some" fraud occurring. that's not what people are arguing here.

they're directly asking you, what evidence have you seen that support's trump statements. in other words, what evidence is there that there is voter fraud in:
- wisconsin
- georgia
- michigan
- Pennslyvania

that's it. a simple question. what evidence is there?

I'm not as worked up or as heavily invested in all of this as you appear to be ...
I believe something is not right but have no proof of anything yet.
As George says .. Why don't we all wait and find out?

 

[George]

you can't as a leader, make a statement off the cuff with no evidence to support it.

this is what trump does, he blatantly lies, then people go through the mental gymnastics to try and support it.

so far every claim he has made has been completely debunked.

i don't think the question i asked was unfair.

You keep trying to shout people down for having an opinion - you believe there's no voter fraud with no evidence and he believes there is voter fraud with no evidence.

Lets see what happens when it's taken through the courts and if it's proven there wasn't anything dodgy - so be it, well done to Biden. If not I would hope you would retract your statements and congratulate Trump on his victory.

I would prefer they know the votes are 100% legitimate than just going with the result regardless of who wins.

Just by bombarding people you don't agree with with posts doesn't mean you have anymore of an idea than they do.

What's so bad about wanting a fair election?