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[Crusty Undies]

I don't care if it costs $30K or 1K. Its not ACTUALLY A VEHICLE THAT CAN DRIVE ON THE ROAD WITHOUT A DRIVER. Its not legislation that prevents them. THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO DO IT.

You've proven my own point, in that the first driver less vehicles ARE actually trucks used on private roads. ( a controlled environment).
I maintain that the first that are used on public roads will also be commercial vehicles.

Furthermore, unless you are charging your Tesla of you own private solar power system, using one in Australia is likely to be worse for greenhouse emissions than driving an efficient Diesel like a Ford Fiesta. ( Electricity from coal/gas ).

I'm sorry but I don't believe you're capable of reading. They very well CAN drive on the road as I've explicitly said MULTIPLE times now. But due to GOVERNEMENT REGULATION, companies are not allowed to roll out fully automated systems as of yet however cars such as Tesla's Model 3 have been extensively tested and make about 1% of the errors a human driver makes, and these come exclusively from decisions made regarding preservation of life when a crash is unavoidable. Now please sir, sit down and stop trying to argue something you've proven to us all to know NOTHING about.

DID THE CAPSLOCK HELP? I THINK YOU THINK IT DOES SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS MORE UNDERSTANDABLE FOR YOU

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

So how does the truck know the "new" path is safe?

its all complex stuff but in the simple terms the guys explain it to me is similar to like sonar... the sensors send out a signal and that bounces back off anything in its path the sensors the sensors are almost 360degree around the truck and are transmiting fast enough that a child running in front of the truck will engage the brakes quicker than the reflexes of a human ...

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

The "in between" technology seems completely useless to me.
I've always been happy to drive manual cars, and its only very recently that there are automatic systems that offer better performance/economy than a bog standard 5 speed.

So now they have technology where you can take your hands off the wheel as long as they are somewhere close by , and you are still carefully watching the road and the car is on a Freeway. SO WTF am i meant to be doing with my hands? To me its like letting your 9 year old sit on your lap and steer.
I guess its a step up from propping your knee against the wheel while you bight the big mac, but do i really want to pay a lot of money for that?

The average car in Australia is 10 years old.
If the majority of cars being sold right now started having autonomous control it would be more than a decade before "most " cars had it.

the pace this technology is taking off in ten years what we are dreaming of today will be obsolete ... its coming and its coming very soon

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I'm sorry but I don't believe you're capable of reading. They very well CAN drive on the road as I've explicitly said MULTIPLE times now. But due to GOVERNEMENT REGULATION, companies are not allowed to roll out fully automated systems as of yet however cars such as Tesla's Model 3 have been extensively tested and make about 1% of the errors a human driver makes, and these come exclusively from decisions made regarding preservation of life when a crash is unavoidable. Now please sir, sit down and stop trying to argue something you've proven to us all to know NOTHING about.

DID THE CAPSLOCK HELP? I THINK YOU THINK IT DOES SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS MORE UNDERSTANDABLE FOR YOU

You've said it multiple times.
You are wrong.

Say it a million times you will still be wrong. You are worse than wrong. You are a wrong smart-arse.
And... You are allowed to use cars without pedals and steering wheel in Texas.
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As of 28 August 2014, according to Computer World Google's self-driving cars were in fact unable to use about 99% of US roads. As of the same date, the latest prototype had not been tested in heavy rain or snow due to safety concerns. Because the cars rely primarily on pre-programmed route data, they do not obey temporary traffic lights and, in some situations, revert to a slower "extra cautious" mode in complex unmapped intersections. The vehicle has difficulty identifying when objects, such as trash and light debris, are harmless, causing the vehicle to veer unnecessarily. Additionally, the lidar technology cannot spot some potholes or discern when humans, such as a police officer, are signaling the car to stop. Google projects plan on having these issues fixed by 2020
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I don't have any more recent information on the issues as of now.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

its all complex stuff but in the simple terms the guys explain it to me is similar to like sonar... the sensors send out a signal and that bounces back off anything in its path the sensors the sensors are almost 360degree around the truck and are transmiting fast enough that a child running in front of the truck will engage the brakes quicker than the reflexes of a human ...

So it knows that little bridge can only take 500Kg?
Or the mine sites are kind of controlled?
Or it brakes really quickly to avoid the child , which is maybe a piece of cardboard. The car behind runs into it, but that doesn't count because its the other persons fault.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

So it knows that little bridge can only take 500Kg?
Or the mine sites are kind of controlled?
Or it brakes really quickly to avoid the child , which is maybe a piece of cardboard. The car behind runs into it, but that doesn't count because its the other persons fault.

how many human drivers know if the bridge can carry over 500kg ? infact i would say the computer program that would be running GPS would be better placed to know the limitations of the paths it sends the truck on just look how many trucks get stuck under bridges the computer would know the max height/weight restrictions but unlike human drivers inattention to sign post wont be a factor ..

what happens when a human encounters a child size peice of cardboard ? i dont know many people who will drive through it i would say 100% of humans would brake suddenly and the car behind it would run into the car in front ...
in the situation of the technology we are trialing the truck infront would brake and the subsequent trucks behind's sensors will recognised the truck in front as an obstacle and deviate path or brake itself to avoid the collision ... the differance is the automated truck will be doing the allowed speed whith the distance between trucks to allow for safe sudden braking ... most human accidents are because the car is going too fast and not enough room is given to brake or inattention that cause not enough room to brake .. both factors that dont exist in automation ....

ill give you credit you are sticking to your guns and not backing down but this is the real stuff its happening. from this forum alone there are people who are more knowlegable about the technology then you.. the way you are acting on this subject is like a liberal party senator being told coal is bad ...

 

[SaintsSeptember]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/business/self-driving-trucks.html

Unlike autonomous cars, which face questions about navigating chaotic urban streets, trucks spend a lot of time heading straight on desolate highways. And while the advent of the self-driving car will rest on the decisions of individual consumers, logistics companies are unemotional operators that will upgrade their fleets the moment it makes financial sense

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GPS's and the like will take a long time to have the minutiae of all the little side streets included, let alone things like bridge load limits. Can anyone honestly tell me they have not found an error on their GPS?

What they can easily do is have pre-approved routes for the type of trucking discussed in the link.
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And another technology being explored.
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ks-completes-first-european-cross-border-trip

 

[VDS66]

So a friend who is South African of English decent has a mate who is also a white South African.

His mate migrated to the USA. They have son born the USA.

Son is classified as an African American and qualifies for relevant benefits.

True story.

 

[gringo2011]

Let you in on a secret: I am seriously thinking about buying the 2018 RHD 5.0L Convertible and paying for an aftermarket Shelby upgrade. That’s some serious car. Also some seriously stupid cash. Not happening till June 2018 though.

And have a look at this thread.
Here we are: going all petrolhead while around us posters are going responsible nellies.
LOL.

I watched a show on how long the Shelby takes to build from when Ford hand over the initial car, it was a few years ago so I'm not sure if it's still the same but you get a legit supercar once it's done. I'm the worst, I'm a nellie who really just wants to burn petrol and rubber.

 

[gringo2011]

I'm sorry but I don't believe you're capable of reading. They very well CAN drive on the road as I've explicitly said MULTIPLE times now. But due to GOVERNEMENT REGULATION, companies are not allowed to roll out fully automated systems as of yet however cars such as Tesla's Model 3 have been extensively tested and make about 1% of the errors a human driver makes, and these come exclusively from decisions made regarding preservation of life when a crash is unavoidable. Now please sir, sit down and stop trying to argue something you've proven to us all to know NOTHING about.

DID THE CAPSLOCK HELP? I THINK YOU THINK IT DOES SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS MORE UNDERSTANDABLE FOR YOU

Yeah they reckon AI surgeons and lawyers are already an upgrade on humans because of error factor reduction. That will destroy a few income streams.

 

[VDS66]

Yeah they reckon AI surgeons and lawyers are already an upgrade on humans because of error factor reduction. That will destroy a few income streams.

And the AI lawyers aren't kents...

 

[VDS66]

LOL, Yep. The 66 Mustang (before power steering?) was brilliant in a straight line, not so brilliant if you needed to steer the thing. Buddy had one of those, or near enough to the year.
Another had a Corvette Stingray of a similar vintage. That cars claim to fame was the split rear window. He also had a 427(?) Black 2013 Corvette Convertible. An absolute brutal machine.
I drove a 2017 Corvette Convertible version through New England in May.
Now there’s a car. An amazing sound.
My last time in the States, when I had my Mustang, saw the appearance of a previously unknown love of muscle car.
(Cue: first track from A Night at the Opera by Queen - “I’m in love with my car”).
Understand the future, but I’m at curmudgeon level 5 so I don’t think I’ll enjoy participating in the driverless car world all that much.

Had the pleasure of renting a Shelby convertible in Hawaii a few years ago. It was the first on the retro look car. Fun days.

 

[sunny3193]

from memory car's are bloody cheap in the states with such a good variety. they're always trying to give em away on very low interest loans

how much would that one set ya back?

A$42k, could have had a Shelby for $15k more....

 

[Mowman]

Been with the Mrs 30 years this week, but I still carry her picture in my wallet. Whenever I face difficulties in life, I take out my wallet and stare at her picture. And it comforts me knowing that... if I survived being married to this psycho, I can survive anything.

 

[sunny3193]

I watched a show on how long the Shelby takes to build from when Ford hand over the initial car, it was a few years ago so I'm not sure if it's still the same but you get a legit supercar once it's done. I'm the worst, I'm a nellie who really just wants to burn petrol and rubber.

This is the US version of the current Shelby GT500.
Beast.

 

[sunny3193]

And if I was still there, this is what I’d love.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Yeah they reckon AI surgeons and lawyers are already an upgrade on humans because of error factor reduction. That will destroy a few income streams.

from what we have seen so far where we will lose jobs for opperators there will be an increase in the need for mechanic's and programers to keep the equipment up and running ... as it is now the systems that are being tested work well but require the machine to be maintained at a higher level then you can get away with when using a human

 

[STK2020]

View attachment 442926 And if I was still there, this is what I’d love.

Mate of mine just bought a Mustang like that, two days after picking it up from the car yard he had to fight off an attempted car jacking . He punched the campaigner in the face and ran over his foot .
He said he would fight to the death to protect his Mustang. .

 

[StCicatriz]

You've said it multiple times.
You are wrong.

Say it a million times you will still be wrong. You are worse than wrong. You are a wrong smart-arse.
And... You are allowed to use cars without pedals and steering wheel in Texas.
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As of 28 August 2014, according to Computer World Google's self-driving cars were in fact unable to use about 99% of US roads. As of the same date, the latest prototype had not been tested in heavy rain or snow due to safety concerns. Because the cars rely primarily on pre-programmed route data, they do not obey temporary traffic lights and, in some situations, revert to a slower "extra cautious" mode in complex unmapped intersections. The vehicle has difficulty identifying when objects, such as trash and light debris, are harmless, causing the vehicle to veer unnecessarily. Additionally, the lidar technology cannot spot some potholes or discern when humans, such as a police officer, are signaling the car to stop. Google projects plan on having these issues fixed by 2020
----------------------

I don't have any more recent information on the issues as of now.

my god SS you are reaching P66 levels here now

 

[gringo2011]

from what we have seen so far where we will lose jobs for opperators there will be an increase in the need for mechanic's and programers to keep the equipment up and running ... as it is now the systems that are being tested work well but require the machine to be maintained at a higher level then you can get away with when using a human

Electric motors don’t wear like internal combustion and don’t need brakes. The future is bleak. I will have to spend time with my Missus if I don’t have my business.

 

[StCicatriz]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/business/self-driving-trucks.html

Unlike autonomous cars, which face questions about navigating chaotic urban streets, trucks spend a lot of time heading straight on desolate highways. And while the advent of the self-driving car will rest on the decisions of individual consumers, logistics companies are unemotional operators that will upgrade their fleets the moment it makes financial sense

--------------------
GPS's and the like will take a long time to have the minutiae of all the little side streets included, let alone things like bridge load limits. Can anyone honestly tell me they have not found an error on their GPS?

What they can easily do is have pre-approved routes for the type of trucking discussed in the link.
----------------

And another technology being explored.
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ks-completes-first-european-cross-border-trip

you talking like this as if there isnt a process where the exceptions or errors are handled or that people wont stomach a failure rate. you seem to think that because something can wrong now or ever, it will never happen. if that was the case then nothing would go to market. EVER! especially in IT

what happens when your car breaks down and you have no idea how to fix it? do you suddenly proclaim cars to be useless and not ready for market, then stop driving altogether. of course not. what about when the road fatality count is climbing, do you proclaim cars to be too unsafe to drive? of course not, the positives far out weight the negative

for me i'd have no problem jumping in an automated care with a failure rate where it might just stop until it gets human intervention from HQ, as long as its cheaper and the response time for it to arrive it acceptable. hell i couldnt give a shit if it say went the minimum speed limit or slight below, say 40km.

here's the use case: everyday i drive to work to the train station. i then catch the train into work. reverse it at the end of the day.

to do that i have to pay for a car. depending on the car that cost changes, but its a hefty chunk. i think have to licence it. another hefty chunk. i then have to pay for insurance in case i hit someone. i then have to fuel it up. pay for parking at the train station. sometimes my local train stations parking is full so i have to drive even further to the next one. i have to pay for maintenance. tires dont last forever. if its a new car, i'm probably going to get it regularly serviced. its ****in expensive for what is a 15 minute commute to the train station, twice a day

then we have the family car that we would use as the main car

there are hundreds of people just like me all at the same train station.

suppose i can book in a time everyday where the automated car will come pick me up. drive me 15 mins. drop me right off in front of the train station. then come pick me up. if i dont go to work that day, i cancel with a certain amount of notice.

i'm saving myself a massive amount of money and problems over the longer term. in theory the provider wouldnt be slugged with massive insurance either.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

you talking like this as if there isnt a process where the exceptions or errors are handled or that people wont stomach a failure rate. you seem to think that because something can wrong now or ever, it will never happen. if that was the case then nothing would go to market. EVER! especially in IT

what happens when your car breaks down and you have no idea how to fix it? do you suddenly proclaim cars to be useless and not ready for market, then stop driving altogether. of course not. what about when the road fatality count is climbing, do you proclaim cars to be too unsafe to drive? of course not, the positives far out weight the negative

for me i'd have no problem jumping in an automated care with a failure rate where it might just stop until it gets human intervention from HQ, as long as its cheaper and the response time for it to arrive it acceptable. hell i couldnt give a shit if it say went the minimum speed limit or slight below, say 40km.

here's the use case: everyday i drive to work to the train station. i then catch the train into work. reverse it at the end of the day.

to do that i have to pay for a car. depending on the car that cost changes, but its a hefty chunk. i think have to licence it. another hefty chunk. i then have to pay for insurance in case i hit someone. i then have to fuel it up. pay for parking at the train station. sometimes my local train stations parking is full so i have to drive even further to the next one. i have to pay for maintenance. tires dont last forever. if its a new car, i'm probably going to get it regularly serviced. its ****in expensive for what is a 15 minute commute to the train station, twice a day

then we have the family car that we would use as the main car

there are hundreds of people just like me all at the same train station.

suppose i can book in a time everyday where the automated car will come pick me up. drive me 15 mins. drop me right off in front of the train station. then come pick me up. if i dont go to work that day, i cancel with a certain amount of notice.

i'm saving myself a massive amount of money and problems over the longer term. in theory the provider wouldnt be slugged with massive insurance either.

If you want people to change from the current vehicle failure rate, to that of IT, people will have to make a massive adjustment of expectation.
I can't help thinking people will accept crashing when they mess up, more so than they will accept a random automation failure, like when the Tesla couldn't tell the difference between a Semi Trailer , and Sky.

 

[VDS66]

you talking like this as if there isnt a process where the exceptions or errors are handled or that people wont stomach a failure rate. you seem to think that because something can wrong now or ever, it will never happen. if that was the case then nothing would go to market. EVER! especially in IT

what happens when your car breaks down and you have no idea how to fix it? do you suddenly proclaim cars to be useless and not ready for market, then stop driving altogether. of course not. what about when the road fatality count is climbing, do you proclaim cars to be too unsafe to drive? of course not, the positives far out weight the negative

for me i'd have no problem jumping in an automated care with a failure rate where it might just stop until it gets human intervention from HQ, as long as its cheaper and the response time for it to arrive it acceptable. hell i couldnt give a shit if it say went the minimum speed limit or slight below, say 40km.

here's the use case: everyday i drive to work to the train station. i then catch the train into work. reverse it at the end of the day.

to do that i have to pay for a car. depending on the car that cost changes, but its a hefty chunk. i think have to licence it. another hefty chunk. i then have to pay for insurance in case i hit someone. i then have to fuel it up. pay for parking at the train station. sometimes my local train stations parking is full so i have to drive even further to the next one. i have to pay for maintenance. tires dont last forever. if its a new car, i'm probably going to get it regularly serviced. its ****in expensive for what is a 15 minute commute to the train station, twice a day

then we have the family car that we would use as the main car

there are hundreds of people just like me all at the same train station.

suppose i can book in a time everyday where the automated car will come pick me up. drive me 15 mins. drop me right off in front of the train station. then come pick me up. if i dont go to work that day, i cancel with a certain amount of notice.

i'm saving myself a massive amount of money and problems over the longer term. in theory the provider wouldnt be slugged with massive insurance either.

Was having drinks with a guy who is an engineer for a company that creates airctraffic control systems.

So a plane can pretty much land itself these days.

Don't see any problem with cars driving themselves.

 

[StCicatriz]

If you want people to change from the current vehicle failure rate, to that of IT, people will have to make a massive adjustment of expectation.
I can't help thinking people will accept crashing when they mess up, more so than they will accept a random automation failure, like when the Tesla couldn't tell the difference between a Semi Trailer , and Sky.

Depends what the failure rate is. What if it's less than what it is now? What if there are no deaths?

 

[StCicatriz]

Was having drinks with a guy who is an engineer for a company that creates airctraffic control systems.

So a plane can pretty much land itself these days.

Don't see any problem with cars driving themselves.

Full On!

You're right VDS.

What's the worst that will happen? The car stops and some voice talks to you through an intercom.

If that saves me literally thousands I'm all for it. Then I can drive my normal car on weekends