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[StCicatriz]

The car companies don't make the money for the servicing etc, that's the dealer.
They do have massive markups on spare parts though, and absolutely love the drive for "genuine parts" in insurance claims.
I think Australian car parts in Australian cars ( RIP ) are typically around 800 to 1000% markup at the retailer ( 10% off for trade ) .
Some of the imports seem to add an additional middle man profit and end up with 4000%.

In Tesla's case it makes sense for him to Automate as much as possible. The Automation simply gets added in to all the other investment that will eventually be considered a setup cost.
At some point when their operation becomes profitable , its harder to justify the capital cost of increasing automation.

Maybe there's cross over in his vision.

For example in my field when we develop a piece of software functionality we have an idea of the other items in the backlog that we also want to work on.

So if we are working through one item and know that there's cross over with one of the items in the backlog then we work on it with that in mind. So that way some of the work for the other item is already done.

I wonder how much of the driverless vehicle/electric vehicles are with something else in mind/cross over. Such as the space x stuff.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Maybe there's cross over in his vision.

For example in my field when we develop a piece of software functionality we have an idea of the other items in the backlog that we also want to work on.

So if we are working through one item and know that there's cross over with one of the items in the backlog then we work on it with that in mind. So that way some of the work for the other item is already done.

I wonder how much of the driverless vehicle/electric vehicles are with something else in mind/cross over. Such as the space x stuff.

I hope so. In fact i'd expect those sort of systems within Tesla. They ARE progressive.
There are so many traditional medium size companies that just don't communicate things well and people . Where they could have easily made an allowance for something at the design stage, but didn't know.

I heard of a company where the General Manager brought the Chairman of the board into the warehouse and showed him all the new stuff "a million dollars well spent " , to which the reply was...... "b..but ... we're amalgamating all of our warehouses to a new site at ....... "

 

[Crusty Undies]

Elron Musk is a blowhard. Ford and GM and nearly every other established car manufacturer are far further advanced than Tesla. GM is predicted by many to be the first to market.
Tesla are still learning how to make mass produced vehicles and have plenty of problems doing that.

LOL. You literally have no idea what you're talking about hahaha. Sure thing mate keep telling everyone how Tesla's useless and Elon Musk's an idiot. You're really showing me right now!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

LOL. You literally have no idea what you're talking about hahaha. Sure thing mate keep telling everyone how Tesla's useless and Elon Musk's an idiot. You're really showing me right now!

I said neither.

 

[VDS66]

Spot on. When you distil it right down be it a scientist or what ever someone has to have the balls to implement the change.

Takes a lot of time and effort and in most cases a lot of capital.

Need more people like him. I fear we are falling away in that regard here

One thing I learnt in my own business when creating educational products was that you can have the next big thing, but if you can't market it, it fails.

You need sales people with vision or nothing gets done.

I used to come across clients who wore anti sales and they quickly got nowhere fast.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

the funny thing is theguys who have the skills in inventing this stuff and making it work most often dont have the skills or persona to do the PR and selling side of things thats why sales people come in and present what has been discovered for the guys discovering it... Musk is the driving force behind new discovery of technology and while he is not the guy in the back room crunching the numbers writing the programs building the prototypes he is the guy making it digestable to the general public and in turn selling the dream to keep the money rolling in to create more... to call him a blowhard is just tall poppy sindrome

 

[pebblesofsand]

Can someone help me with is conundrum - who is liable in the event of an accident involving an automated car?

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[SaintsSeptember]

the funny thing is theguys who have the skills in inventing this stuff and making it work most often dont have the skills or persona to do the PR and selling side of things thats why sales people come in and present what has been discovered for the guys discovering it... Musk is the driving force behind new discovery of technology and while he is not the guy in the back room crunching the numbers writing the programs building the prototypes he is the guy making it digestable to the general public and in turn selling the dream to keep the money rolling in to create more... to call him a blowhard is just tall poppy sindrome

I'd agree with that.
Its also very expensive to finance a patent these days, so often its done by corporations.

Blowhard was a throw away phrase to suggest that i didn't consider him an inventor or a scientist.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Can someone help me with is conundrum - who is liable in the event of an accident involving an automated car?

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As it stands ( with the currently available technology ) the "driver" or the person sitting in the driver's seat. Obviously it get's tricky if there is no driver, and i'd suggest the onus will be on the owner of the vehicle but obviously new legislation will be needed.
A lot of the accidents with the early prototypes have been "caused" by other cars.
The most notable was a production Tesla on "cruise control" or whatever its called.
A truck turned across the road , without leaving enough space. So it was the truck's fault.
However ass hole truck drivers ( and others ) do this sort of thing all the time, forcing people to brake and swear at them.
In this case the Tesla didn't pick the white trailer from the pale sky and it didn't even slow down. Driver probably not looking.

So its the Truck's fault. But braking and swearing would have been a better outcome.

Some of the self steering systems ( Cruise control with steering ) also have a face scanning system to make sure the drivers are looking at the road.

St Trav might know best, but i'd guess that the on-site Automated vehicles would be subject to occupational health and safety laws, and as such pretty much all the onus on the sit operator/owner.

 

[VDS66]

Can they stop the waffle and just get on with the vote?

 

[gringo2011]

the funny thing is theguys who have the skills in inventing this stuff and making it work most often dont have the skills or persona to do the PR and selling side of things thats why sales people come in and present what has been discovered for the guys discovering it... Musk is the driving force behind new discovery of technology and while he is not the guy in the back room crunching the numbers writing the programs building the prototypes he is the guy making it digestable to the general public and in turn selling the dream to keep the money rolling in to create more... to call him a blowhard is just tall poppy sindrome

My wife used to do contract law for a University where there was a branch of the uni set up to commercialise research. The way they were funded meant they have to justify research by creating saleable products. A lot was medical, where the public paid, then the venture capitalists put up the money to release it through big pharma etc. The big companies don't do anything but take someones research, sell it then throw a royalty back to the uni. The guys that research were often socially awkward freaks and would have no interest in going out and marketing a product so it worked in a way. Even if companies get rich from our money being spent. There was also the attitude that companies prefer long term drugs that they can sell to some one for years rather than short term cures. That means cancer cures are less appealing than anti depressants.

 

[gringo2011]

Can someone help me with is conundrum - who is liable in the event of an accident involving an automated car?

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The AI lawyers will all be the same quality so it won't matter if you have a better legal campaign.... so I guess the person or vehicle that was more likely to have caused it.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

As it stands ( with the currently available technology ) the "driver" or the person sitting in the driver's seat. Obviously it get's tricky if there is no driver, and i'd suggest the onus will be on the owner of the vehicle but obviously new legislation will be needed.
A lot of the accidents with the early prototypes have been "caused" by other cars.
The most notable was a production Tesla on "cruise control" or whatever its called.
A truck turned across the road , without leaving enough space. So it was the truck's fault.
However ass hole truck drivers ( and others ) do this sort of thing all the time, forcing people to brake and swear at them.
In this case the Tesla didn't pick the white trailer from the pale sky and it didn't even slow down. Driver probably not looking.

So its the Truck's fault. But braking and swearing would have been a better outcome.

Some of the self steering systems ( Cruise control with steering ) also have a face scanning system to make sure the drivers are looking at the road.

St Trav might know best, but i'd guess that the on-site Automated vehicles would be subject to occupational health and safety laws, and as such pretty much all the onus on the sit operator/owner.

in the testing grounds the person who does the pre-start check is the preson responsible for the truck that said there has not been any issue as of yet in the testing ground.. the sensors are stopping the collision before they happen..

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Can they stop the waffle and just get on with the vote?

any Liberal/Nationals politician who takes credit for finally passing this bill needs a swift kick to the side of the head ... you guys did litterally nothing to get this through other than make it significantly more expensive...
the politicians should forego their days pay today for wasting everyones time and money dragging out something that should have been a no brainer

 

[cartel]

I, like most people, thought the vote was a massive waste of money but at least it legitimised the decision as both the will of the parliament and the people.

Bit too much backslapping for my liking from the politicians today though, they were slow on the uptake about the issue

 

[Saintos The ITK]

any Liberal/Nationals politician who takes credit for finally passing this bill needs a swift kick to the side of the head ... you guys did litterally nothing to get this through other than make it significantly more expensive...
the politicians should forego their days pay today for wasting everyones time and money dragging out something that should have been a no brainer

However they still did a lot more than the labs did in their six years.

 

[pebblesofsand]

As it stands ( with the currently available technology ) the "driver" or the person sitting in the driver's seat. Obviously it get's tricky if there is no driver, and i'd suggest the onus will be on the owner of the vehicle but obviously new legislation will be needed.
A lot of the accidents with the early prototypes have been "caused" by other cars.
The most notable was a production Tesla on "cruise control" or whatever its called.
A truck turned across the road , without leaving enough space. So it was the truck's fault.
However ass hole truck drivers ( and others ) do this sort of thing all the time, forcing people to brake and swear at them.
In this case the Tesla didn't pick the white trailer from the pale sky and it didn't even slow down. Driver probably not looking.

So its the Truck's fault. But braking and swearing would have been a better outcome.

Some of the self steering systems ( Cruise control with steering ) also have a face scanning system to make sure the drivers are looking at the road.

St Trav might know best, but i'd guess that the on-site Automated vehicles would be subject to occupational health and safety laws, and as such pretty much all the onus on the sit operator/owner.

So you'd be happy to be held responsible for the "actions" of an automated car that decided running over someone was better than hitting another car?

Like I said - interesting conundrum.

Thankfully it won't be an issue for me. I like driving!!!

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[StCicatriz]

Can someone help me with is conundrum - who is liable in the event of an accident involving an automated car?

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the way i look at it is, what happens if a piece of equipment explodes at work and kills someone

company does all the maintenance on it/audits/is checked off etc. then it just ****in explodes and kills someone

like most work case deaths its very rare for someone/individual to be charged with a crime. the company is fined and everything moves on

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So you'd be happy to be held responsible for the "actions" of an automated car that decided running over someone was better than hitting another car?

Like I said - interesting conundrum.

Thankfully it won't be an issue for me. I like driving!!!

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Me too. But that trip home from the pub IS enticing.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

any Liberal/Nationals politician who takes credit for finally passing this bill needs a swift kick to the side of the head ... you guys did litterally nothing to get this through other than make it significantly more expensive...
the politicians should forego their days pay today for wasting everyones time and money dragging out something that should have been a no brainer

At least the no voters can't turn around and "blah blah blah, how dare they do this , its not what the people want blah blah god and stuff "
It IS what the people want.

 

[VDS66]

I just can't believe the amount of personal grand standing from the lot of them.

And then you have the stalling tactics by the religious right.

Interestingly, the people of Waringah voted in favour yet Abbot didn't.

Surely they are there to represent the will of the people and not their personal views...

 

[CursingFijian]

Politicians and grand standing. Together? I never would of thought...

Just being Fiji-cetious. Sorry.

You know what really gets my goat is when I see some politician giving a speech in Parlaiment and all the seats are empty. Like there must be only a handful of people in the room. And I bet they’re still getting ‘sitting’ allowances.

 

[gringo2011]

Politicians and grand standing. Together? I never would of thought...

Just being Fiji-cetious. Sorry.

You know what really gets my goat is when I see some politician giving a speech in Parlaiment and all the seats are empty. Like there must be only a handful of people in the room. And I bet they’re still getting ‘sitting’ allowances.

Yeah we had a pollie over recently and he was self commending for when they were in Parliament, staying awake for 3 days and nights with out sleep. Bah, I used to do that for recreation back in the day. Soft %$#@.

 

[austinnn]

Can someone help me with is conundrum - who is liable in the event of an accident involving an automated car?

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Probably the same person/entity liable if an automated door slices a customer in half or a robot mower runs over someone's foot: the person/entity who made a conscious decision to employ such a machine. Right?

 

[Nutsngum]

The reason his ideas get lapped up is that they inspire... No different to JFK aspiring to put man on the moon.

Of course a lot of ideas don't come to fruition. But unless you push the envelope, you don't advance.

As far as the hype goes... It's constant publicity that attracts the brains and money to get this done.

Typical Aussie attitude. As soon as someone comes along and gets successful, we have to cut them down.

Great attitude. Ive got some pills that will grow an extra inch for you then. No dont question them, that would be UNAUSTRALYAN.