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This player was Alex Bruce, who lost a hand in an accident, & played with a metal hook from 1858. He is actually named on the Rules Committee (with Tom Wills), in the oldest, surviving 1859 Rules. The early accounts state he "was known to dish out violence with it". He was a Scotsman.
It would be very dangerous being tackled around the neck by Bruce, with his "bad" hand.
You write that "the early accounts state he 'was known to dish out violence with it.' "

Could you please advise which accounts you mean ? I cannot find any reference to such a statement being made during his lifetime.
 

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There's a bit on him here (it calls him Alex M. Bruce, however!): https://australianfootball.com/articles/view/Origins+of+Australian+Football/208

In his reminiscences about the early days of Australian football, the then President of the VFA (Victorian Football Association), T.S. Marshall, writing in 1896, recalled the formidable Richmond player Alex M. Bruce:

"He had one arm, but his one arm was equal to most people’s two backed up as it was by an artificial one with an iron hook at the end of it. He was a good tempered and fine player, but I verily believe he was the cause of more oh’s and ah’s…than a dozen ordinary footballers, for when he pushed from behind, always of course with an iron hook, it meant weeping and wailing, and gnashing of teeth to his unfortunate victim–no matter how his victim took it, Bruce always perceived a calm, unruffled countenance." [1]

One may surmise that if Alex Bruce was available in this year’s draft, he would be just the sort of chap the Richmond football club should recruit to instil a bit of steel (or iron!) into a backline hitherto known for its brittleness.
 
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There's a bit on him here (it calls him Alex M. Bruce, so, if that's correct, no idea where the George came from!!): https://australianfootball.com/articles/view/Origins+of+Australian+Football/208

In his reminiscences about the early days of Australian football, the then President of the VFA (Victorian Football Association), T.S. Marshall, writing in 1896, recalled the formidable Richmond player Alex M. Bruce:

"He had one arm, but his one arm was equal to most people’s two backed up as it was by an artificial one with an iron hook at the end of it. He was a good tempered and fine player, but I verily believe he was the cause of more oh’s and ah’s…than a dozen ordinary footballers, for when he pushed from behind, always of course with an iron hook, it meant weeping and wailing, and gnashing of teeth to his unfortunate victim–no matter how his victim took it, Bruce always perceived a calm, unruffled countenance." [1]

One may surmise that if Alex Bruce was available in this year’s draft, he would be just the sort of chap the Richmond football club should recruit to instil a bit of steel (or iron!) into a backline hitherto known for its brittleness.
Have just come across a Melbourne Cricket Club player A M Bruce playing in matches with, Wills, Thompson and Wray in Oct & Nov 1858


 

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Have just come across a Melbourne Cricket Club player A M Bruce playing in matches with, Wills, Thompson and Wray in Oct & Nov 1858


That's pretty likely to be him! Yet on the Wikipedia page it has:
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The AFL Season Guide has George Bruce (Richmond CCFC).
 

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Since it appears certain that Alex and George Bruce are two different people, but both were star players with a Richmond team (but a few years apart), it seems very likely that C.C. Mullen plucked out the wrong name (George when it should have been Alex) for his "champion" of 1858!
 

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Since it appears certain that Alex and George Bruce are two different people, but both were star players with a Richmond team (but a few years apart), it seems very likely that C.C. Mullen plucked out the wrong name (George when it should have been Alex) for his "champion" of 1858!
Unfortunately Mullen "plucked out" a few wrong things & published them. Lack of resources at the time no doubt affecting his judgement.
Sadly, in some quarters his word became gospel. It continues to be a devil of a job getting the inaccuracies removed from the public record.
 

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Ambrose Palmer article from the sporting globe 1953



There are a couple of articles in this De lacy SG series
This Jack Dyer one is probably the more interesting:

 
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Moorabbin get rolled into a groundshare deal by the council but at least they get to be part of a VFL club right? Until the VFA expel them, they disband, the Saints forget about them and take the ground without a merger.
 

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Moorabbin get rolled into a groundshare deal by the council but at least they get to be part of a VFL club right? Until the VFA expel them, they disband, the Saints forget about them and take the ground without a merger.
Interesting
I'm sure when I was a kid, there was a VFA Moorabin team in second division of VFA.
Sounds like Saints were just going to take over Moorabin to get access to ground there and had no care or real interest in Moorabin name in real terms.
I did not realise they Moorabin I saw on VFA ladder was not the original Moorabin Football Club. Learn something new everyday.

To think as a kid I had a soft spot for St.Kilda in the VFL but over time I learn to consider them a scummy club and soft spot for them went long ago and saw the true colours of characters like Thomas and Butters were really what the club was made of.
 

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