Rant RE: VFL/AFL

[chazwazza]

One thing that is really galling is that the Past Players Hardship Fund is only open to footballers that have played AFL (obviously) and VFL. SANFL & WAFL etc players aren't eligible. That 4 licenses have been bought by the leagues from the respctive states, a lot of football money is generated frome these states surely it's fair that they should be included also.
National Competition????? PIGS F^CKEN ARSE!!!

 

[Grin]

Most South Australians have grown up and got over their insecurities about Victoria.
Unfortunately Dirty Bird isn't one of them.

Second rate products aim their advertising at these immature and undiscerning people eg West End breweries.

 

[Slattery_20]

Exactly my point.
It's a 2nd tier league. One equal to that of the SANFL and WAFL. I care about mine (SANFL) you care about yours (VFL)

You do realise the idea of the thread was to determine when the backwater state league called the VFL become he modern incarnation we see today?

When I look at stats I actually ignore the years where the statistics were built up in the state league years.

I'd rather look at Lockett's 169 games in the AFL where he kicked 5.3 goals a game.
It's a much tougher accomplishment kicking goals against the best defenders in the country rather then the best defenders in 1 measly state.

And Peter Hudson holding the record proves that VFL players were only from one state.
Ever.

Umm....

 

[Ron The Bear]

And Peter Hudson holding the record proves that VFL players were only from one state.
Ever.

Umm....

6 of the starting 18 in the AFL Team of the Century hailed from outside Victoria, and none played an "AFL" game.

 

[Slattery_20]

One thing that is really galling is that the Past Players Hardship Fund is only open to footballers that have played AFL (obviously) and VFL. SANFL & WAFL etc players aren't eligible. That 4 licenses have been bought by the leagues from the respctive states, a lot of football money is generated frome these states surely it's fair that they should be included also.
National Competition????? PIGS F^CKEN ARSE!!!

Now that is a genuine issue, and pretty messed up as well.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Now that is a genuine issue, and pretty messed up as well.

Agreed. If playing games in the SANFL/WAFL qualifies your sons for f/s status, you should be entitled to the same assistance as an equivalent VFL player.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I think the watershed year should be 1997. Port Adelaide's entrance legitimised South Australia as a football state - capable of supporting multiple teams. Therefore the Crows' performances to that stage should for historical purposes be viewed as those of an illegitimate State of Origin team.

Except as we've seen since, this is clearly not the case.

 

[Sebastian Balboa]

^^ This does touch on the issue the OP presents.
The football, the collisions, intensity, the subsequent short- and long-term injuries....were ALL THE SAME across the WAFL, SANFL and VFL.
So why do VFL/AFL-only footballers qualify for assistance?

The thing is, though, where do you draw the line for claims?
Just at State level football?
And what timeframe can former players make a claim?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Dirty Bird I think you’re struggling with fact versus opinion.

The VFL became the AFL. That’s fact. That’s what happened. You need to deal with it.

You can have your opinions on the strength of the competition now, or at any time in the past, but it’s just that – opinion. Expecting official records to reflect somebody’s opinion, rather than being a simple reflection of the facts of history, is ridiculous. Then it’s not history, it’s just propaganda.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

If people are talking about the Pryor Hardship Fund, that’s funded by the AFLPA and (indirectly) the AFL. Membership of the AFLPA alumni is open to anyone who played a VFL/AFL game, and they pay fees to join.

I’m sure if members of the AFLPA were willing to extend it to players from other leagues, it’d happen. But they’d probably also want those players to contribute to the AFLPA with fees, which is perhaps fair enough. And you’d maybe have to question where the line is drawn.

FWIW, I think the footy community pulls together pretty well and tries to support any player who falls upon genuinely hard times, such as Beau Vernon, who never played an AFL game. It’s “unofficial” but there’s been some strong support.

 

[Slattery_20]

^^ This does touch on the issue the OP presents.
The football, the collisions, intensity, the subsequent short- and long-term injuries....were ALL THE SAME across the WAFL, SANFL and VFL.
So why do VFL/AFL-only footballers qualify for assistance?

The thing is, though, where do you draw the line for claims?
Just at State level football?
And what timeframe can former players make a claim?

It's done by an application basis, apparently.



I think you could only ever make a claim that SA & WA FLs were elite level. QLD, NSW & Tas a fairly big jump down.



Perhaps the AFLPA could funnel some of the AFL hardship fund to the SANFL & WAFL (commensurate with their 'part' of the league's history, say 20% each) to start a SANFL & WAFL one?

 

[simmo41]

Is this just about not enough SANFL players being in the HoF? Or do you want further recognition, like Darce and BT discussing Glenelg's 1985-86 flags during quarter time on a Saturday night?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Is this just about not enough SANFL players being in the HoF? Or do you want further recognition, like Darce and BT discussing Glenelg's 1985-86 flags during quarter time on a Saturday night?

Winner of the 1986 Coleman-Farmer-Naylor Medal - Stephen Nichols (103 goals) from Brian Taylor (100)?

 

[simmo41]

Winner of the 1986 Coleman-Farmer-Naylor Medal - Stephen Nichols (103 goals) from Brian Taylor (100)?

Also don't forget the best player in the league that year was Dipper, Greg Williams, Greg Anderson and Mark Bairstow.

 

[TigerCraig]

Was always the SANFL, no comp change; not a good comparison.

hmmmm hence the rolleyes

I hope the NEAFL counts all Sydney Unis premierships too (spoken as someone who played 1 game for Unis Under 19's - although I was 22 at the time)

 

[Monkey King]

Nor do any VFL records before 1990.

Until Port supporters can concede that their club is a brand new entity established in 1996, their arguments haven't a shred of credibility; just hypocrisy without logic.

You can repeat this irrational 1990 line over and over, but you can't justify it with logic, beyond National this and State that. I've never been a fan of such provincial thinking, but SA folk seem particularly fond of it across the board. Facts are though that examples of competition expansion abounds, without the impact you suggest here.

As always in these threads, it gets to a point where you just have to disregard the repetitious whining of a few expansion club supporters and move on with it. I'm sick of trying to explain to you blokes the facts behind the official records. You didn't get to experience any of it of course, which is why you pluck out silly dates and pretend everything started there. And once again, you don't have to accept or support the comp; it's your choice.

 

[Monkey King]

One thing that is really galling is that the Past Players Hardship Fund is only open to footballers that have played AFL (obviously) and VFL. SANFL & WAFL etc players aren't eligible. That 4 licenses have been bought by the leagues from the respctive states, a lot of football money is generated frome these states surely it's fair that they should be included also.
National Competition????? PIGS F^CKEN ARSE!!!

WTF??? Why should a league support players who never played a single game in that league. Should they also support players from other metro and bush leagues around the country who are down on their luck? I know a bloke from the YVMD league who needs a bit of a leg up. How about it?

It's a National Competition, a National League. The AFL should not be a national body for the sport.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Until Port supporters can concede that their club is a brand new entity established in 1996, their arguments haven't a shred of credibility; just hypocrisy without logic.

You can repeat this irrational 1990 line over and over, but you can't justify it with logic, beyond National this and State that. I've never been a fan of such provincial thinking, but SA folk seem particularly fond of it across the board. Facts are though that examples of competition expansion abounds, without the impact you suggest here.

As always in these threads, it gets to a point where you just have to disregard the repetitious whining of a few expansion club supporters and move on with it. I'm sick of trying to explain to you blokes the facts behind the official records. You didn't get to experience any of it of course, which is why you pluck out silly dates and pretend everything started there. And once again, you don't have to accept or support the comp; it's your choice.

To be fair, I know plenty of SA footyheads who don’t subscribe to the stupid notions being put forward in this thread.