Rate my team Part III

[Blue Red and Gold]

I could be wrong, but I thought I read somewhere that Dennis Lane is injured at the moment. I would keep an eye on him to see if he plays next week before selecting him.

Given his injury history, I would also be hesitant on Gumbleton before seeing how he pulls up after this week's game.

Kerr generally gets the #1 tag each week. I would consider swapping him out for someone like Mark McVeigh (you'll need bench coverage for the first week though if you pick up McVeigh).


Here's my team as it stands at the moment.

Backs
Corey Enright, Luke Hodge, Heath Shaw, Nick Malceski, Tadhg Kennelly, Rick Ladson, Beau Waters | Emg: Brad Sheppard, Matt Macguire

Mids
Jimmy Bartel, Joel Selwood, Luke Ball, Mark McVeigh, Liam Shiels, Dustin Martin | Emg: Luke Shuey, Jack Trengrove

Rucks
Dean Cox, Matt Kreuzer | Emg: Robbie Warnock, Jordan Roughead

Forwards
Nick Reiwoldt, Matt Pavlich, Daniel Giansiracusa, Lance Franklin, Robbie Gray, Hayden Ballantyne, Pat Dangerfield | Emg: Tom Rockliff, James Posiadly

At the moment I'm not set on Malceski, Kennelly and Ladson though not sure who I replace with who - any suggestions?
Jack Trengrove will be traded out before the lockout, just don't know who to yet.
Wanting to downgrade Kreuzer to a $200,000 to $300,000 ruck but, again, no idea who to - any suggestions?
Pretty much happy with the forward line now.

Thoughts and comments?

Cheers mate, yeah TDL is injured at the moment, but its only a 2 weeker, will definately keep an eye on him though.

Keeping an eye on Gumby too, at his price I thought he might be worth the risk.

You thought of getting luenberger as your ruck? fairly cheap.

 

[Covvy]

your backline has one legitimate keeper in Hodge. Drummond is not a great DT player and the rest are going to be at the bottom-end of keeper status even as a best case scenario. to me there's a lot of potential for your defence to go horribly wrong.

Doughty doesn't pose much value to me for a midfielder and Cousins isn't getting any younger.

Beams i think is one mid-priced midfielder too many. Martin/ Barlow/ Banner etc provide value that is impossible to look past in my opinion. there's potential for one or more of them to average reasonably close to Beams or Masten and for 200k+ less.

your forward line is fine, although i think it could do with a ROK or a Roo.

lastly your bench is pretty expensive, there's potentially 200-250k you could free up.

Ok, thanks for the feedback, greatly appreciated.

My changes I did were,

Cousins for Martin (He'll play first round?)
J.Hunt for J.Gram (just because I like him and he's a good scorer, it's not dreamteam for nothing)
Doughty for Gilbee ( I love Gilbee, I reckon he's back bigger and better)

Now I have 46,200 left in my bank.

 

[brent-83]

Backs: Goddard, Enright, Hodge, Harbrow, Pearce, Malceski, Hunt
Back Reserve: Mcguire, Davis

Mids: Swan, Bartel, Vince, Ball, Barlow, Martin
Mids Reserve: Trengove, Banner

Rucks: Kreuzer, Ottens
Rucks Reserve: Warnock, Roughead

Forwards: Riewoldt, ROK, Pavlich, Gian, Ziebell, Dangerfield, Hitchcock
Forwards Reserve: Rockliff, Dennis-Lane

$0 left over.

Concerns are Ottens, who can be replaced by a few others (Nic Nat etc) and hoping Hitchcock, Rockliff or TDL actually play.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Ok, thanks for the feedback, greatly appreciated.

My changes I did were,

Cousins for Martin (He'll play first round?)
J.Hunt for J.Gram (just because I like him and he's a good scorer, it's not dreamteam for nothing)
Doughty for Gilbee ( I love Gilbee, I reckon he's back bigger and better)

Now I have 46,200 left in my bank.

Covvy, they way I approach my initial team is that I need 15 keepers that I am happy to hold on to for the whole season, (injury permitting) and I can be confident that they will deliver me a high average by the end of the season.

You only have 20 trades and it is important to try and come up with a strategy on how you plan to use them. Draw up how you would like your team to look by the end of the season in an ideal world and plan how you are going to get there. In order to have a gun team by the end of the season you need to be fortunate enough to be able to use 12 - 14 trades on upgrading players in your starting 22.

At the moment, including the adjustments you have just made, I would say you have 11 - 12 likely keepers with perhaps 5 of those being premium types.

As Daitro suggested, you need to free up as much money from your emergencies as you possibly can and spend it on your starting 22.

You could probably also do with downgrading one more midfielder to a rookie type so you have 2 starting in your best 22. The reason for this is there is so much depth in the rookie midfielders this year that you need to make the most of them early on.

Having a few midpriced players is not a problem but you need to find a balance. If they all develop into premiums then you will be ahead of the game but the risk is that if they don't, they are going to cost you a trade. My thoughts are the Kennelly, Masten and Naitanui are the best of your mid-priced players. The rest I would be either downgrading to a rookie or upgrading to a premium if possible.

I notice that you have added Gilbee to your midfield. He is a much better option as a defender as there are plenty of quality midfielders to choose from. I still think Pav should be in your forward line.

All in all your not too far off it, just a little more tinkering.

P.S. I have no problems if you disagree with my opinion because at the end of the day it is just that, an opinion. It's your team and you need to be happy with it.

 

[Bluetiger]

Only concern is whether rockliff will be named round 1. This team is one of the strongest in Defence of any posted so far imo.

What are your comments please.....

Just tossing up between B Hall and Ziebell. Will monitor next weekends matches.

 

[Waverley73]

Here's my team with $95,100 cash left over:

 

[Piikeyyy]

Backs: Goddard, Enright, Hodge, Harbrow, Pearce, Malceski, Hunt
Back Reserve: Mcguire, Davis

Mids: Swan, Bartel, Vince, Ball, Barlow, Martin
Mids Reserve: Trengove, Banner

Rucks: Kreuzer, Ottens
Rucks Reserve: Warnock, Roughead

Forwards: Riewoldt, ROK, Pavlich, Gian, Ziebell, Dangerfield, Hitchcock
Forwards Reserve: Rockliff, Dennis-Lane

$0 left over.

Concerns are Ottens, who can be replaced by a few others (Nic Nat etc) and hoping Hitchcock, Rockliff or TDL actually play.

I wouldnt be confident taking Pearce at this stage of the game as he is still yet to be elevated onto the senior list. You have perhaps gone a little light in the Ruck department. I wouldnt feel confident taking these two into round 1. I would look at downgrading one of your mids and upgrading Kreuzer. I dont like it if he is going to spend a bit of time up forward. Perhaps may need to downgrade Ball too as starting Hitchcock on the field is a little risky with the shortage of forward rookies if someone else in your forward line was to go down. Could be copping a few zero's.

Hope that helps/ makes sense.

Now for my team

Backs: Enright, Hodge, Shaw, Harbrow, Dempsey, Malceski, Hunt (Farmer, Maguire)

Mids: Bartel, Boyd, Lewis, Robinson, Martin, Barlow (Banner, Shuey)

Rucks: Clark, Tippett (Roughead, Trengove)

Forwards: Riewoldt, Pavlich, Giansiracusa, Franklin, Gray, Dangerfield, Campbell (Polak, Rockliff)

All reserves should play and be money makers. Do you think I have invested to much and gone too weak in my starting squad?
Thoughts would be great, thanks

 

[Covvy]

Covvy, they way I approach my initial team is that I need 15 keepers that I am happy to hold on to for the whole season, (injury permitting) and I can be confident that they will deliver me a high average by the end of the season.

You only have 20 trades and it is important to try and come up with a strategy on how you plan to use them. Draw up how you would like your team to look by the end of the season in an ideal world and plan how you are going to get there. In order to have a gun team by the end of the season you need to be fortunate enough to be able to use 12 - 14 trades on upgrading players in your starting 22.

At the moment, including the adjustments you have just made, I would say you have 11 - 12 likely keepers with perhaps 5 of those being premium types.

As Daitro suggested, you need to free up as much money from your emergencies as you possibly can and spend it on your starting 22.

You could probably also do with downgrading one more midfielder to a rookie type so you have 2 starting in your best 22. The reason for this is there is so much depth in the rookie midfielders this year that you need to make the most of them early on.

Having a few midpriced players is not a problem but you need to find a balance. If they all develop into premiums then you will be ahead of the game but the risk is that if they don't, they are going to cost you a trade. My thoughts are the Kennelly, Masten and Naitanui are the best of your mid-priced players. The rest I would be either downgrading to a rookie or upgrading to a premium if possible.

I notice that you have added Gilbee to your midfield. He is a much better option as a defender as there are plenty of quality midfielders to choose from. I still think Pav should be in your forward line.

All in all your not too far off it, just a little more tinkering.

P.S. I have no problems if you disagree with my opinion because at the end of the day it is just that, an opinion. It's your team and you need to be happy with it.

I don't think I'll change my team anymore until the hectic round 1 teams are announced. I love getting opinions from people about my team and it's no different to you, like you said, it's my team and I'm not bagging out your opinions, just no thank you not today

 

[Lakey91]

The 'groupthink' in these teams is extraordinary.

Of course most of the best teams are not appearing on these pages.

l think you will find that as the season comes closer and closet to beginning, the BF hype team will ge better and better and closer to many of the "best teams" the top Dreamteamers are starting with - its just that the top DTers have had these sides in their minds for months!

In the end, there wont be many unique players of value - there will be a group of about 40-50 players from which everyone will seem to pick there 30 from. The thing is, whilst many teams may seem very similar as they have similar players, a different combo here and there can really make your team that little bit unique and cause it to stand out.

Heres my top 50 hype/popular players (most rightfully so too!) at the moment:

Goddard
Enright
Shaw
Fisher
Hodge
Malceski
Kennelly
Ladson
Hunt
Waters
Maguire
Davis
Polak
Trengove

Swan/Ablett
Bartel
Mitchell
Watson
Cooney
Masten
Swift
Connors
Trengove
Martin
Shuey
Bastinac
Banner
Barlow

Sandilands
Tippett
Kreuzer
Hille
Naitanui
McEvoy
Warnock
Lobbe

Riewoldt
Goodes
O’keefe
Pavlich
Giansiracusa
Franklin
Ziebell
Medhurst
Gray
Dangerfield
Wright
Rockliff
TDL
Gumbleton
POD

How Many players do you guys have that arn’t from this list? I reckon it would mostly be 3-4 if that.

From this list however, you can make different teams:

Enright, Fisher, Hodge, Shaw, Kennelly, Ladson, Hunt
Davis, Maguire
Bartel, Mitchell, Watson, Masten, Trengove, Martin
Barlow, Shuey
Sandilands, Hille
Warnock, Lobbe
Riewoldt, Okeefe, Pavlich, Franklin, Gray, Ziebell, Dangerfield
TDL, Rockliff

Compared to:

Goddard, Enright, Hodge, Shaw, Kennelly, Ladson, Hunt
Waters, Maguire
Swan, Bartel, Cooney, Martin, Trengove, Banner
Bastinac, Shuey
Sandilands, Kreuzer
Warnock, Lobbe
Goodes, Okeefe, Giansiracusa, Franklin, Medhurst, Ziebell, Dangerfield
TDL, POD

Note: Both teams have 50-60k left.

I think its hard to argue that any of the players used in these two teams is unique (or even on the verge of unique!) yet they are still two quite different teams.

The point is, there might only be 50 players that are considered solid options and thus every team might seem like they are the same as we are all drawing our teams from the same pool of players (with the odd roughie here and there) however that doesn’t mean there cant be a variety of teams.

 

[Piikeyyy]

I have 10 players in my team not from that list. Pretty happy with that.

 

[Waverley73]

I have 10 players in my team not from that list. Pretty happy with that.

Yeah, but Prestigiacomo only averaged 33 last year mate.....

 

[Bluetiger]

Totally agree with your post Lakey91. Many of my players below appear on your list, but given I dont have the ladson/kenelly/hunt/waters options etc it makes my team fairly unique in setup. I may have put too many eggs in the defenders basket, but thats just my 'different' strategy this season....I will probably know my fate by week 3 or 4 if Ive done the correct thing or not.

Only concern is whether rockliff will be named round 1. This team is one of the strongest in Defence of any posted so far imo.

What are your comments please.....

Just tossing up between B Hall and Ziebell. Will monitor next weekends matches.

 

[Piikeyyy]

Yeah, but Prestigiacomo only averaged 33 last year mate.....

Haha im not that much of a dud... You can see my team if you just scroll up

 

[juvenile]

I have 10 players in my team not from that list. Pretty happy with that.

I have 13 players not from that list, 5 of which are midfielders.

 

[Bluetiger]

I have 13 players not from that list, 5 of which are midfielders.

hope the 5 mids you have are the quality of Montagna, Hayes, Pendlebury, Vince and Selwood......if none of these I mentioned or those on Lakey91 list, then feel you are in for a long year with a lot of upgrading.

 

[Falchoon]

Same

At this stage I've got 10 not on that list,

2 backs WB, Freo
4 mids Coll, 2 * Syd, St K
1 ruck Coll
3 forwards Coll, Melb, Haw

There might be more variety around than is being posted.

 

[jonoman89]

Here's my team with $95,100 cash left over:

I'm a newb but i'll give it a shot.

Goddard will be playing forward this year. Might result in him getting less cheap stats, may effect scoring? He's a great player but i can't bring myself to pay that much $ when there's question marks over his position in the team.

Ablett is redic expensive, but if he continues 08/09 form may very well be worth it. Gibbs is over priced.

Gumbleton is injured once again i believe. Wouldn't touch the guy with a 30ft pole.

 

[SouthSwans]

With $4,200 in the cap.

I know I've been advised to scrap Dalziell but if he plays he's extremely good value, I'll wait until the teams come out before subbing him.

Are Wells and Mayne the right choices for their respective positions? Is my backline too weak? Hille & Tippett? Anyone with criticism please go ahead, all flaws are good before round one.

 

[Cynic]

I know I've been advised to scrap Dalziell but if he plays he's extremely good value, I'll wait until the teams come out before subbing him.

Are Wells and Mayne the right choices for their respective positions? Is my backline too weak? Hille & Tippett? Anyone with criticism please go ahead, all flaws are good before round one.

Carrazzo strikes me as the sort of player who is to risky a pickup at his cost, he's far too at risk for being made a tagger or even dropped latter in the season. I would really look at getting Goddard in your team, he's a guaranteed best seven back.

Midfield is fine, Wells is an interesting choice but based upon his injury history and lack of preseason games I'd be more inclined to look at Armitage or Masten just to be generic.

While there is a lot of doubt about just about all the low priced forwards I would suggest Wright/Yarran offers more value than Mayne.

As for your rucks well lets just say we differ in opinions on those .

 

[Hannabal]

In the end, there wont be many unique players of value - there will be a group of about 40-50 players from which everyone will seem to pick there 30 from. The thing is, whilst many teams may seem very similar as they have similar players, a different combo here and there can really make your team that little bit unique and cause it to stand out.

How Many players do you guys have that arn’t from this list? I reckon it would mostly be 3-4 if that.

It's a very valid point. It's definitely the combinations and structures that will separate most teams, not to mention the subsequent trading. It's the similar groupings of mid and low price players that is so similar to many teams, i.e. "Kennelly Ladson Hunt".

To answer your question; I have 7 starting players that don't appear in the 50 names you mention.

 

[Blues_FC]

Heres my top 50 hype/popular players (most rightfully so too!) at the moment:

I know these names are obvious choices, but do you really have to spoon feed all the ******s here so much? This rate my team thread is so lazy! I don't know why people bother entering the DT comp if they just want other people to pick their team for them?

/end rant

 

[Lakey91]

I think most of the difference between teams here is probably between premiums - the difference between goodes/riewoldt and enright/hargrave and mackie/shaw and montagna/swan isnt *really* that significant IMO - most teams will have a very similar structure, a couple of different premiums, but very similar rookies and mid pricers (think higgins, krakouer, houlihan, skipworth, raines last year - pretty much every team had them).

Blues FC - Dont really feel like it was spoon feeding. And to be honest, people who leech sides arn't going to be real challengers for the top spots IMO. In fact I reckon if we gave posters (apparent leachers) like that the exact same starting squad as say Ausyid, BananaBus or SkankDanker, Id back them in to end up smashing them overall still - lot more to DT than just a good starting squad, and in all honesty, anyone around here will start with a semi-decent squad that it would be possible to win the comp with through solid trading.

 

[Blues_FC]

I agree with all your above points. It's just annoying to spend the off-season researching, planning, spreadsheeting etc, only to find that I could have just waited until a week before the first lockout to come here and get a team made for me.

That's life I guess!

 

[Dr Awkward]

I think its pretty hypocritical to complain about so called "spoon feeding of information" to people when the very reason that everyone comes on here is to get and share information.

EDIT: Oh and P.S. I have 25 of those players that Lakey listed.

 

[Dr Awkward]

Totally agree with your post Lakey91. Many of my players below appear on your list, but given I dont have the ladson/kenelly/hunt/waters options etc it makes my team fairly unique in setup. I may have put too many eggs in the defenders basket, but thats just my 'different' strategy this season....I will probably know my fate by week 3 or 4 if Ive done the correct thing or not.

Only concern is whether rockliff will be named round 1. This team is one of the strongest in Defence of any posted so far imo.

What are your comments please.....

Just tossing up between B Hall and Ziebell. Will monitor next weekends matches.

Quite a good team here, you have gone with the 'monster backline strategy' which I tried a few years ago but I think the difference is this time there are some really good mid rookies to make it viable.

I'm getting more and more insecure about not having Grimes.