Autopsy Rd 4 Blues annihilated by 86 points

Discussion in 'Carlton' started by The Old Dark Navy's, Apr 14, 2018 at 8:50 PM.

Put it out there
  1. reg_lower91

    reg_lower91 Club Legend

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    I'm going to be a broken record here, but have some damn patience.

    This is the team we put on the park on Saturday night:
    Avg age: 24.1 yo
    Avg games: 76
    Avg games w/o Simmo & Thomas = 59
    Players who've played 200+ games = 2
    Players who've played 150-200 games = 1
    Players who've played 100-150 games = 2
    Players who've played 50-100 games = 6
    Players who've played < 50 games = 11

    A majority of the team had played 45 games or less, or, the equivalent of fewer than 2 full seasons.

    Now, seeing as a lot of you are comparing us to Hawthorn, here's the numbers for their team on the weekend:
    Avg age: 26.1yo
    Avg games: 107
    Players who've played 200+ games = 1
    Players who've played 150-200 games = 9
    Players who've played 100-150 games = 2
    Players who've played 50-100 games = 3
    Players who've played < 50 games = 7

    A majority of their team had played 105 games or more, or the equivalent of 5 full seasons or more.

    For mamy years now, Hawthorn has had a great experienced core, around which they've been able to gradually introduce tallented youth.

    We're currently trying to build a similarly strong core for future years, however we've otherwise not had one since the early 2000's. It takes time.

    Again, have patience. Only game time can fix this. We're on the right path.
     
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  2. branedotorg

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    Paul Roos On the Couch - "There are some structural changes they need to make. They need to get back to being a really hard team to score against. That should be their priority over the next month."
     
  4. TheHeatleyStand

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    it's not only money that matters it's perceived success!

    nobody would come to Carlton in the quest for success and only money would lure anybody great
    but money paid through the nose.. and to somebody probably getting on a bit and having had feasted in success already
     
  5. BLUEALLTHRU

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    Yeh, maybe"where's Tom Lynch"?
     
  6. Blueballs38

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    Yup that is our problem .... more than anything else.

    I like Murphy, a lot, I don’t pot him like a lot of people on here. I hate to say this but he was a bad choice for captain. Simply because he does not inspire and that is what you need.

    You put Cripps or Doc as Captain and you will see a big change.

    Sorry Murph, nothing personal, u were and r a great Blue.
     
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    Id have to agree with him .
    Longer term it may not be in the best interests of the team to play the defensive game .
    But given where we are at this must be the case .
    The next month with our injuries is going to be extremely tough continuing to play the way we have been .
    Otherwise most likely what we all saw on the weekend is just the beginning .
    Once we get some players back then recalibrate .
     
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    Tbh Cripps needs to lift as well, he's been more interested in getting agro at the opposition than putting in any real defensive effort of late.
     
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    Doc is the only choice for captaincy for my mind. A solid, solid bloke that racks up the touches. Apart from that knee issue, he has been extremely durable. He is the defensive general down back, he is our Luke Hodge. I never used to think so, I always thought it was Simmo, but as has been seen this is certainly not the case. The defensive organisation has been NOTHING like 2017 with Doc in the side.
     
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    **** Luke Hodge, he is our Sam Docherty!!!!
     
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    BS mate. He's busting his nuts out there and getting a heavy tag. It was painful to watch him being held against the Roos on the weekend. There's only so much 1 kid at 23 years of age can do, and he's doing over and above for this team.
     
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    He is Sam Docherty, f*** the rest.
     
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    A kid at 23 years of age?
     
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    Exactly, the past two weeks Cripps has been tackled as soon as the ball has left the umpires hands and he is still amongst our best players. I really like the way he is becoming a marking option.

    If we can get Kennedy to build on his form from the weekend (outside of the first quarter obviously) and start providing another clearance option it might prevent the opposition being so Cripps focused and give him some breathing space.
     
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    While I agree it is easier said than done - if you look at out back 6 it is missing Docherty, Marchbank & Williamson from 2017 and we are also missing Byrne who is the logical replacement for Docherty or Williamson- that is a lot of talent to lose but also there replacements aren't used to playing with each other.

    I also think that Jones is really missing Docherty - Jones doesn't seem to be a great thinker and I believe Docherty took that role for him, told him where to position himself and then all Jones had to worry about was getting the ball.

    Throw in the blues trying to take the game on a bit more and the loss of Gibbs (and now Murphy) out of the midfield it isn't surprising we are being socred against more.
     
  16. ParapMarkets

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    +1.
    He is carrying the team at the moment, useless players like Jacobs tagging him. Even though we are young, I would like to see us adopt the approach we had for Ryan Crowley years ago. Make life ultra difficult for these taggers, everyone in the team bump in to him, pinch him, whatever. Make life difficult for anyone trying to **** with Cripps.
     
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    For me one of the biggest disappointments has been Kennedy, I think he had 2 disposals in the first half against kanga’s, that’s playing on ball most the game.

    We lack midfield depth big time.
     
  18. Macca43

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    Give the kid a chance, he is 21, has played just 22 games, is at a new club and rolled an ankle in the first quarter round 1 and missed round 2. He finished the game with 19 possessions, 7 marks, 5 tackles and 4 clearances - that is something to build on and if you are correct he only had 2 possessions to half time quite an impressive second half.
     
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    Some of us have been waiting for 20 years - think we can start getting a touch impatient at some stage.
     
  20. Lace_Out

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    Not to mention re rolling his ankle in the game and pushing through it.

    Pretty sure he had a limited pre season to boot.

    With a good run he should get better and better.

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  21. Macca43

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    Exactly, he should take a lot of confidence out of his second half and the more he plays with the other mids the more the should eb able to know each others game and help each other more.
     
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    Yeah, nah.
     
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    Do you think you might just be going off a tad before acceptances?

    A 21 yo coming off a limited preseason and probably playing injured. Twenty two games, most of which with a midfield that includes Kelly, Shiel, Coniglio, Whitfield and Kelly.

    Think I'll hold off on the hard judgements on this kid for a while yet.

    Edit: and what Macca43 said.
     
  24. ParapMarkets

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    Some of us? Are you suggesting that some of us saw Carlton win a premiership recently? The only ones who haven’t been waiting 20+ years are those who aren’t old enough and whom have only seen us be crap, they would have even more reason to be frustrated and impatient.

    Like it or not, we just didn’t have a core of players capable to build a premiership team around. We don’t want to end up like Carlton 2011 or Nth Melbourne more recently. We just have next to no leadership at the moment, short term pain for long term gain.
     
  25. Macca43

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    Its also a bit like all the criticism of Dow, yes his kicking has been bloody ordinary but right now he is averaging more disposals than any other top 5 draft pick from 2017 and playing in a midfield dominated by lightly built kids - give him time to find his feet and adjust to the level and he will repay that faith.

    On his kicking IMO it will only take a couple of targets hit lace out for him to improve that, at the moment I think he is in a bit of a snowball effect, stressing about prior mis-kicks which is tightening him up and making things worse, if he can come out and nail his first couple this week his confidence will build and away he goes.