List Mgmt. Re-Signing Jake Lever

[MRB37]

It's not really an increase though if everyone else gets it too

Supposedly nearly every other club bar us, St Kilda and West Coast had a lot/all of their contracts include automatic increases built in for the amount of the new CBA.

So for example, Robbie Gray is now apparently a 1 million $ player for Port because his contract automatically increased with the CBA.

 

[Runnin Blue]

Just watched the 30 from 30 on Shaq and Hardaway. Shaq openly admitted it was ego that got in the way when money was flashed around. He and Penny both felt there was 3-4 titles to be had if Shaq stayed at Orlando.

Lever and McGovern are our bookends and are vital to any flag tilt/s. Lets hope ego doesnt get in the way

Don't remind me. Orlando has never recovered

That doco is awesome btw. Penny Hardaway

 

[marty36]

It's not really an increase though if everyone else gets it too

Fact is we get an extra $2 million to play with lever at most will get 850k he's probably paid 350k now so at worst he will cost us 500k of that 2 million

Even if he got 1 million we only need $650k, cap room is simply no concern what so ever

If lever leaves it shouldnt be over money


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

But your point was that players salaries had tied Reid's options, when clearly he has $2M to move...

He didn't last year which is the only time he has managed our list so far

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He didn't last year which is the only time he has managed our list so far

Not sure what you are saying?

We had enough cap space to bring in Gibbs...

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Not sure what you are saying?

We had enough cap space to bring in Gibbs...

I'm saying that when he took over he had some contracts running out that year that HE got to negotiate, some running out in 2017 that were already in place and he had no control over, some running out in 2018 that were already in place and he had no control over and a handful running out in 2019+ that were already in place and he had no control over.

So it takes a cycle - basically three years - until our contracts are done in a way the current list manager wants/designs.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'm saying that when he took over he had some contracts running out that year that HE got to negotiate, some running out in 2017 that were already in place and he had no control over, some running out in 2018 that were already in place and he had no control over and a handful running out in 2019+ that were already in place and he had no control over.

So it takes a cycle - basically three years - until our contracts are done in a way the current list manager wants/designs.

Sure, but back to your original issue, he has plenty of room - $2M worth, so shouldn't have any issue sorting out new contracts as he wishes.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Sure, but back to your original issue, he has plenty of room - $2M worth, so shouldn't have any issue sorting out new contracts as he wishes.

He has no more room than any other club

Even if we believe that one newspaper story that says our contracts don't include an automatic CBA increase (no idea why we would believe this) it makes no difference.

The clubs that factored in the increase knew that they were and set their amounts accordingly. Ie lower because they knew they'd rise. And the clubs that didn't factor in the increase set their amounts accordingly; higher because they knew they wouldn't rise.

There seems to be some fantasy that other clubs have automatically filled up the extra cap with existing contracts whereas we were working towards a figure $2m lower therefore have all this spare cash.

Just need to ask yourself - if our players signed deals that didn't automatically grant the CBA increase, what did the club give up so that they'd agree to this?

 

[Scorpus]

He has no more room than any other club

Even if we believe that one newspaper story that says our contracts don't include an automatic CBA increase (no idea why we would believe this) it makes no difference.

The clubs that factored in the increase knew that they were and set their amounts accordingly. Ie lower because they knew they'd rise. And the clubs that didn't factor in the increase set their amounts accordingly; higher because they knew they wouldn't rise.

There seems to be some fantasy that other clubs have automatically filled up the extra cap with existing contracts whereas we were working towards a figure $2m lower therefore have all this spare cash.

Just need to ask yourself - if our players signed deals that didn't automatically grant the CBA increase, what did the club give up so that they'd agree to this?

As I said earlier, it depends if we accurately predicted the cap rise when giving players this higher fixed amount.

If we predicted 10% and it turned out to be 20%, we have an advantage

 

[NikkiNoo]

He has no more room than any other club

Even if we believe that one newspaper story that says our contracts don't include an automatic CBA increase (no idea why we would believe this) it makes no difference.

The clubs that factored in the increase knew that they were and set their amounts accordingly. Ie lower because they knew they'd rise. And the clubs that didn't factor in the increase set their amounts accordingly; higher because they knew they wouldn't rise.

There seems to be some fantasy that other clubs have automatically filled up the extra cap with existing contracts whereas we were working towards a figure $2m lower therefore have all this spare cash.

Just need to ask yourself - if our players signed deals that didn't automatically grant the CBA increase, what did the club give up so that they'd agree to this?

Who says the club gave anything up?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Who says the club gave anything up?

We may not have.

All our players may have for years just agreed to worse deals than other clubs were offering and worse than their peers at other clubs were getting.

That's a possibility. But a far-fetched one IMO and I doubt we'd be need to suddenly restructure Walker/Sloane's contracts if we had oodles of spare cap space squirrelled away.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He has no more room than any other club

Even if we believe that one newspaper story that says our contracts don't include an automatic CBA increase (no idea why we would believe this) it makes no difference.

The clubs that factored in the increase knew that they were and set their amounts accordingly. Ie lower because they knew they'd rise. And the clubs that didn't factor in the increase set their amounts accordingly; higher because they knew they wouldn't rise.

There seems to be some fantasy that other clubs have automatically filled up the extra cap with existing contracts whereas we were working towards a figure $2m lower therefore have all this spare cash.

Just need to ask yourself - if our players signed deals that didn't automatically grant the CBA increase, what did the club give up so that they'd agree to this?

Now you are going off on a complete tangent...but your original point is still wrong.

We have plenty of room in the salary cap.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We have plenty of room in the salary cap.

Not saying we don't necessarily but what makes you think that?

 

[Roovolution]

My instincts are pretty good and I believe both players will sign up again. Just call it a bettors instinct.

 

[1990crow]

Any chance of an announcement this week?

 

[Donkey Magoo]

My instincts are pretty good and I believe both players will sign up again. Just call it a bettors instinct.

On God, I hope that you're better than my dad or we'll end up losing Tex as well

 

[pjcrows]

So we've had Tex re-contract to essentially free up cap for Lever. Then came the "leaks" of 5+ year multi-million dollar offers from Victoria. The market is set and the value is known. It was confirmed last week that the Crows have met with Jake and his manager. I'd be very surprised if an offer hasn't been made by us.

If we don't have any more info by the end of July (Round 20, eyes on the finals, no unnecessary distractions) then the worry ramps up significantly.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Who says the club gave anything up?

Can you make a sensible case for a circumstance in which they wouldnt have had to?

 

[Golumless]

Any chance of an announcement this week?

We won, so no.

 

[Donkey Magoo]

The unknown quantum here is whether continuing contracts had factored in an increase from 2018 onward. It's possible that this was built in as a fixed sum rather than the percentage increase. This would mean even though we get an extra 20% 5-10% may already have been spent.

In saying that there are still a few variables:

1. Front loaded contracts, losing Dangers and Tippett allowed up to front load a lot more meaning that we could of paid some this increase already.
2. We may have budgeted for an increase but the actual increase was higher.
3. Managers would not of negotiated a contract that spanned over 17/18 without factoring in some form of increase. For example David 400k may not increase but was paid an earlier higher salary.

All in all it is more likely that we have cash in reserve this year, based off of the size in increase and the fact that contracts are done on an individual basis rather than taking your 100% cap and dividing it up each year.

 

[Donkey Magoo]

Don't remind me. Orlando has never recovered

That doco is awesome btw. Penny Hardaway

He looked better in Purple and Gold anyway.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If they leave it won't be about money

Ps I don't think Lever will leave but I'm 50/50 Gov and less so re Cameron ( his form may be an indicator )

 

[Bicks]

Whole lot of guesswork going on in the media over in Victoria.

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/jay-clark-names-three-clubs-in-the-race-for-jake-lever

 

[Bicks]

Just on Jake Lever, we downgraded a pick that ultimately Geelong took Nakia Cockatoo with .......The Bulldogs downgraded a pick that netted the Blues Charlie Curnow for 2 picks that netted the Dogs KPD Keiran Collins and Mid/Forward Josh Dunkley.

Whilst Dunkley looks like being a decent player Keiran Collins can't get a game in a Dog's defence that is really struggling this year and all the while Charlie Curnow is looking more and more like a very special player, so much so people are starting with the Anthony Koutoufides comparisons.

 

[jbanger]

Whole lot of guesswork going on in the media over in Victoria.

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/jay-clark-names-three-clubs-in-the-race-for-jake-lever

Also says he played well the other night against st kilda?