List Mgmt. Re-Signing Jake Lever

[mattymac]

I wonder if there will be any mention in the Vic media that he didn't actually meet with Melbourne after all?

"So you desperately want to stay?"

"Yep."

I liked that part

 

[TexForPM]

Why? Why would a team leave out a player in this day just to prove a point? Arent we more mature than that?

Reward loyalty.

 

[Murray2503]

I wonder if there will be any mention in the Vic media that he didn't actually meet with Melbourne after all?

"So you desperately want to stay?"

"Yep."

I liked that part

Words mean nothing. Club already knows who is staying and going for next year. Time for the focus to be on winning this week and winning our third flag. Worry bout draft picks end of the year.

 

[Donkey Magoo]

My emotional brain tells me that he's staying..................My rational brain tells me that he's going.........Sometimes emotion wins.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I would be disappointed to lose Lever however if Melbourne are offering $850k over 5 years than that is serious coin for a 50 game player

One question mark I have with Lever is his durability, Jake has already missed 5 games this year with our only loss against Melb with Lever missing from the side

If Lever does go for anything near the rumoured money than it's all about getting high up in the draft and hopefully drafting a top end talent that if not South Australian comes to Adelaide without a Partner who is already eying a return even before they arrive "flight risk"

 

[Red mist]

Who?

Red mist.

 

[Sanders]

I tend to agree with the lobby that says focusing on the partner is undignified and asinine.

More than that it is insulting to the intelligence of anyone who graduates primary school

There is no evil succubus in the background luring these players away from our shores, and it's just stupid to suggest otherwise

Players leave because they want to and because they can. The end

 

[1970crow]

Unlike you I'm not a conspiracy theorist like you with everything the AFC does.

Not everything, the club gets almost everything right. But the fact remains that Gunston was worthy of a $450k contract. You would most likely agree that we were unlikely to offer up that as a 2nd contract to an unproven player. Why do you find it inconceivable that Hawthorn didn't correctly assess where the kid would get to and ensure that he landed with them. It seems pretty daft to think that they offered him the same as us and even though he was about to sign, right at the last minute he flew the coop. I'm sure he could have gotten whatever we were offering at every single Melbourne based club. Why the late change of heart? Why is it so important for you to believe that he wasn't offered his correct value elsewhere?

 

[1970crow]

This seems tenable.

Reid: Well, you seem like a fine young man and an excellent footballer. Just one more question... are you seeing anyone at the moment?
Footballer: Um... yes?
Reid: Oh... oh dear. Well, good luck in Melbourne!


We'd end up having debate akin to "we should have recruited Burton even despite his injury" as soon as a player we pass over because of his girlfriend ends up dumping her a year later

In assessing the player, I would have thought that question and follow up questions would be pretty standard. Wouldn't they be trying to get the best idea of the player that they can. Their current relationship situation would be a reasonable part of that. Don't forget that they'r assessing the person as well as they player, perhaps even moreso these days.

 

[1970crow]

Seems he's the only one who has had the guts to say that. They're all getting offers based on potential and not output, but I don't think a lot of people in the media are willing to put their necks on the lines to make a call like that.

There needs to be an element of potential factored into young players contracts though. How much is the question. How many years of higher duties does the normal workforce expect to endure before they're rewarded with the extra coin. We can structure the contract with bonuses, but if they're being offered their best result here as a flat wage elsewhere, I'm guessing it's pretty hard to stay. How many people would stay in their current jobs for 50% less than what someone else is offering for the same gig. Especially if there's more than one offer at the higher level, you'd certainly start to wonder whether your current employer actually values what you do correctly. Even if the other offers are actually the one's off the mark.

 

[1970crow]

I remember there was a story on here (and other places) about an interstate player the Crows were going to trade in (former SA boy). He was spotted in Adelaide prior to trade week and was supposedly seen undergoing a secret fitness test by the club at a suburban oval.

I knew the bloke and asked him about this rumour and whether he was going to be traded to the Crows. He was a bit confused but put it together.

He was back here for a couple of weeks after his club's season had finished, visiting friends and family. He went down to his local oval for a run a couple of times to keep his fitness up. One time he went running and had a kick of the footy with a mate, who was a Crows fan and wore a Crows singlet when he went running. Of course we never traded for him.

I wonder if Lever was spotted having coffee with someone (literally anyone in the world) who happened to be a Melbourne fan, or a Norwood fan for that matter, and was wearing a club polo?

So, he's going to Norwood now?

 

[1970crow]

Regarding players leaving and having family ties and girlfriends etc, I don't think it's really reasonable to expect every player to stay. Some of them are going to be lured home or even to other clubs away from home for any number of reasons. All you can really do is try to make your club as attractive as possible by building a strong culture and winning matches so that they have added incentive to stay.

What annoys me is why we've been so poor at luring big names back home. There's only two teams in SA, you'd think we would have a pretty good shot at picking up some quality SA talent. It's not like SA boys don't have family or girlfriends when they're recruited. But other than Betts, the only SA boys who were rated at all when we got them (Thompson and Jacobs) only fell into our laps when Port turned their noses up.

Losing the likes of Dangerfield, Tippett, Gunston, Davis, and potentially now Lever and/or McGovern would be a lot easier to stomach if we were able to attract quality SA boys back home at the same rate, or hell, even half the rate would be nice.

I reckon it's just the sheer percentages at play. No matter what role a player plays or at what stage of their career, when they come out of contract you're almost assured that there'll be a Melbourne club who has a need and a few extra dollars for them. It's not the same situation in the reverse. If there was an up and coming key forward who was considering moving, he'd be of very little use to us at the moment because we've invested heavily in Tex and JJ. There's not enough cap space to have $600k playing in the 2's awaiting an injury. If Lever does go, we've got coin and the need for a mobile 3rd tall/kpd, how many mid-aged SA players are fitting that description right now and are out of contract. We can obviously pry them away in contract, but there's no discount on their talent, like every Vic club gets when they're luring one of our guys home.

 

[1970crow]

What you've got to understand guys, is that while you might come on here and feel like you're talking to other "cluey" people, you're actually coming to a small community of 150 or so supporters who are viewed externally as a collection of social outcasts and weirdos. Weirdos who have come here and thought about things for so long, and listened to each other for so long, you feel like you must have an extraordinary, unfiltered insight that no average punter can see. But actually, you're viewed as a bit of a fruitcake and part of a toxic, sad, cliquey little community with nothing in their lives.

NO ONE is coming here to give you guys information. The odd person who stumbles upon something one time or has a mate who runs drinks at channel seven and so sees the team sheet 40 minutes on the Thursday, maybe. But that is literally it.

You're just kidding yourselves so much if you think anyone is coming here. And I don't say this to be a dick, it's just the fact of it.

Who are these weird little people who have such strong opinions of people enjoying a discussion forum? Are they from another forum or the facebook site and don't like the competition? Is it kind of a religious zealotry that we're talking about here. Shit, I honestly thought the only people that gave a shit about bigfooty were the people posting in it. That it concerns so many others would surely be a sign of their own mental fragility and illness moreso than anyone in here. If you come across any of these poor souls that this forum is concerning so much, let them know that it's ok to unplug once in a while and forget that there's an internet. Maybe you should do the same, you've clearly got a few problems yourself.

 

[King Elvis]

The AFL has shot itself in the foot, yet again.

Neither Lever or Gov is worth $800k.

That's Walker/Hawkins or Talia/Rance money.

Every chance they'll be worth it in 3 years; but they aren't now.

The market is so distorted that desperate clubs are happy to spend a fortune for hope - its a mess.

 

[mick500]

Jake lever is so gone. He has said nothing to suggest he's interested in staying.

McGovern is probably gone.

I think Cameron will stay if we offer him what he's being offered elsewhere.

The crows had want to be ready to do some magic at the draft this year or trade table . We are going to need to be very active in that space to not have our list take a huge step back.

I really rate all 3 and would hat to lose even 1 of them but have become so used to players leaving our club I just think **** them, if they want to leave then go.

Would be nice if we could manage it so that we didn't repeatedly get nothing for these top players tho, or make it so they don't go to the club of their choice.

 

[Bovo]

Regarding players leaving and having family ties and girlfriends etc, I don't think it's really reasonable to expect every player to stay. Some of them are going to be lured home or even to other clubs away from home for any number of reasons. All you can really do is try to make your club as attractive as possible by building a strong culture and winning matches so that they have added incentive to stay.

What annoys me is why we've been so poor at luring big names back home. There's only two teams in SA, you'd think we would have a pretty good shot at picking up some quality SA talent. It's not like SA boys don't have family or girlfriends when they're recruited. But other than Betts, the only SA boys who were rated at all when we got them (Thompson and Jacobs) only fell into our laps when Port turned their noses up.

Losing the likes of Dangerfield, Tippett, Gunston, Davis, and potentially now Lever and/or McGovern would be a lot easier to stomach if we were able to attract quality SA boys back home at the same rate, or hell, even half the rate would be nice.

Perhaps it says a lot about SA.

Good players from SA don't want to come home. Good players from outside SA don't want to stay.

 

[MarcusP2]

That's not just players.

 

[Boundryump]

The AFL has shot itself in the foot, yet again.

Neither Lever or Gov is worth $800k.

That's Walker/Hawkins or Talia/Rance money.

Every chance they'll be worth it in 3 years; but they aren't now.

The market is so distorted that desperate clubs are happy to spend a fortune for hope - its a mess.

How can they afford to pay so much?

 

[Ramify]

I tend to agree with the lobby that says focusing on the partner is undignified and asinine.

More than that it is insulting to the intelligence of anyone who graduates primary school

There is no evil succubus in the background luring these players away from our shores, and it's just stupid to suggest otherwise

Players leave because they want to and because they can. The end

It is what it is.

Plenty of Men do it and so do plenty of Women.
I know Ive done plenty of things in my life that I didnt want to do in order to keep the missus happy. On the flip side, so has she.

Why is this an asinine concept to you?

 

[flashcrow]

Perhaps it says a lot about SA.

Good players from SA don't want to come home. Good players from outside SA don't want to stay.

Is most of the team leaving now?

 

[mick500]

Perhaps it says a lot about SA.

Good players from SA don't want to come home. Good players from outside SA don't want to stay.

By that logic you could say it says a lot about south Australian families vs families outside south Australia.

Good players from SA have shit families. Good players from outside SA have great families.

But seriously, if you listen to jake lever talk the other day when denying the Melbourne talks, everything he said was about him. Nothing about our club. He said things could be worse, he could have no one interested in him. Of course he said he's focused on finals, and this isn't a distraction blah blah blah.

HOT TIP: If the captain feels the need to pull you aside and talk to you about your contract heading in to a finals series when you're on top of the ladder then you and your contract ARE a distraction to the club whether you think it is or not.

Even in this day and age of free trade I think it takes a certain type of person to disregard the club that got them to the point they are at and give zero ****s about leaving the club with nothing.

Unfortunately for us the media love making it a feel good story about someone coming home for "family reasons" when someone wants to leave us to go home, yet if a player tries to leave Melbourne then they are money grubbing scum that can't play and want more than they are worth (remember what they all said about Eddie when he asked for 550k?) .

Crows need to get smarter. If players we want to keep won't sign with a year still to go on their contract we should trade them to the club of our choice for the best players we can get. Or we will continue to be the laughing stock of free trade.

 

[Godallblighty]

It is what it is.

Plenty of Men do it and so do plenty of Women.
I know Ive done plenty of things in my life that I didnt want to do in order to keep the missus happy. On the flip side, so has she.

Why is this an asinine concept to you?

For me, the supposed influence of partners is mostly presented with way too much certainty, and is always accompanied by a nasty 'pussy whipped' narrative. Not by everyone, but a hell of a lot of the discussion is driven by people's preconceptions of gender relationships. It's generally just nutty gossip about the personal lives of people they don't know.

 

[treeman]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say young girls are less likely to leave a famous footy player earning hundreds of thousands a year than they are to leave an 18 year old living with his parents and doing an arts degree.

I said this earlier. Why would they leave? On top of that the guys have good bodies which I'd assume they would like.

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[Bovo]

Is most of the team leaving now?

Okay, maybe an exaggeration.....I wonder what the stats say about SA players coming home vs interstate players going home. I would be genuinely interested to know how flawed my statement was.

 

[Cap]

What i still find bizzare is we are recruiting these young guys in such committed relationships.

I'm not saying its a bad thing at all, just from what is in society (admittedly from only what i see )its not as common as it feels like with Crows players.