List Mgmt. Rebuild or refresh?

[energyquant]

Just quietly, look out for another announcement from the club later this week. #justarumour

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Our top line players are near to end or retirement not at there prime like in 2017 when we got Prestia, Nank and Caddy that's a huge difference. Pies didn't target big names I know they had salary issues , but they went to the draft and target a few mid range players from clubs and build with kids and stop playing rejects.

Geelong have twice the number of players nearing retirement than we do and it's not stopping them. The likes of Melbourne (Gawn, May, Hibberd), Collingwood (Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe, Elliott), Fremantle (Walters, Fyfe, Mundy) and Sydney (Rampe, Parker, Buddy) all have a number of guys who they rely heavily upon that will be retiring around the same time as our guys will.

Like our guys they are still playing good footballer and will continue to do so. If we can add additional talent in the 22-25 age bracket then we absolutely should do so.

 

[db26]

Geelong have twice the number of players nearing retirement than we do and it's not stopping them. The likes of Melbourne (Gawn, May, Hibberd), Collingwood (Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe, Elliott), Fremantle (Walters, Fyfe, Mundy) and Sydney (Rampe, Parker, Buddy) all have a number of guys who they rely heavily upon that will be retiring around the same time as our guys will.

Like our guys they are still playing good footballer and will continue to do so. If we can add additional talent in the 22-25 age bracket then we absolutely should do so.

Me personally everyone looks at the cat's model it hasn't shown the rewards yet maybe this season who knows it's not proven yet . I don't see our veterans playing great footy to be honest this season especially only Cotchin looks good and Grimes been passable the rest have had injuries or poor form.

Agree grab talent in the 22 to 25 bracket wouldn't be given the world to bring them through.

 

[energyquant]

You cannot be serious about wanting to keep Arts. With respect he battles to make reserves standard. Applies himself but not good enough seriously. A good honest battler but not good enough for a AFL list, is 27 or older, come on, some need to take a reality pill. He lived the dream, should be given best wishes on his best endeavours going forward

No, I don’t want to keep him but he would be on minimum wage and can play AFL if required. We’re not going to get anything better out of a kid we draft at pick 72 and we’re stuck with him for 2 years.

 

[Infamy]

Some of the calls here are just outright batshit crazy

Caddy, Lambert & Edwards will go off the list this year (2 already have gone)
Cotch & Jack at the end of 2023, maybe Taz too, but he looks like he could play a while longer too

Dusty doesn't even come into consideration until he asks to leave

That leaves us with a pretty young and balanced list moving forward, we don't have to retire everyone off the moment they hit 30-32

 

[Noidnadroj]

Lambert has a degenerative hip condition. There is no operation or amount of rest that will fix it. Every time he plays he does more damage. He's done.

Cotchin is no longer the best option in the middle. He will only get slower from here. Neither RCD or Ross will ever win a Brownlow medal or be a 3x premiership captain, but one of them will win more clearances than Cotchin in 2023. It's time for the next solider to step up.

By the way - I hate the fact that I'm calling for mass retirements from our champion players. I wish they could all go on for another 2 or 3 years, but it's just not realistic.

Cotchin is having a very good season. Averaging 2.5 centre clearances (20th in AFL) and 4.9 total clearances (39th in AFL), which is more clearances than Petracca, LDU, Viney, Guthrie, Merrett, Dunkley, Andy Brayshaw and loads of others that would surprise you etc …..

He’s 44th for contested possession average …ahead of Lyons, Brayshaw, Crisp, Shiel, Newcombe, Merrett, Atkins etc….

We are not ready to kiss goodbye to that output … it’s throwing our young mids to the wolves, particularly with Prestia’s injury history (and who knows about Dusty). Even if he only plays 15 games, our young mids will benefit greatly from him on field and off.




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[Noidnadroj]

Some of the calls here are just outright batshit crazy

Caddy, Lambert & Edwards will go off the list this year (2 already have gone)
Cotch & Jack at the end of 2023, maybe Taz too, but he looks like he could play a while longer too

Dusty doesn't even come into consideration until he asks to leave

That leaves us with a pretty young and balanced list moving forward, we don't have to retire everyone off the moment they hit 30-32

I agree with this. Expectations 4-years ago would have had our list in 2023 including Caddy, Lambert, Rance and Astbury - all now retired before their time for various reasons. Add from recent years Grigg, Houli and this year Edwards and our list transition is in great shape.

When Cotch, JRoo and maybe Tarrant retire end of 2023 we will be a mid-range list by average age and have a great crop of young players.



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[Rioli2Rioli]

I would like to see both Trent & Jack go again in 2023 but under our terms and $$$
$400k x 1 is about right

not many earn that in retirement

 

[Mr Magic]

No, I don’t want to keep him but he would be on minimum wage and can play AFL if required. We’re not going to get anything better out of a kid we draft at pick 72 and we’re stuck with him for 2 years.

I cannot see us bringing anyone in on a 72 draft pick.

I am not connected and and am not privy to what might be planned but I imagine we might use 3 draft picks not worse than 30 in the draft, probably higher. We might trade in the draft, I think Pickett has to go on thh main list for one so we might use even less but unless there is some hidden prospect I can't see us using late picks on prospects

We do not appear to turn the list over and bring in newbies for the sake of it. The candidates have to be valued to be selected, I think RFC has shown their hand in this regard

I get what your saying, Aarts is a rookie, but with our five draftees last year and more this year how do we need Aarts for depth?? Are we better off having the salary cap space elsewhere?

 

[JR82]

Cotchin is having a very good season. Averaging 2.5 centre clearances (20th in AFL) and 4.9 total clearances (39th in AFL), which is more clearances than Petracca, LDU, Viney, Guthrie, Merrett, Dunkley, Andy Brayshaw and loads of others that would surprise you etc …..

He’s 44th for contested possession average …ahead of Lyons, Brayshaw, Crisp, Shiel, Newcombe, Merrett, Atkins etc….

We are not ready to kiss goodbye to that output … it’s throwing our young mids to the wolves, particularly with Prestia’s injury history (and who knows about Dusty). Even if he only plays 15 games, our young mids will benefit greatly from him on field and off.




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Would never have guessed any of those stats, he is having a decent season & deserves to go on next to get to 300 should he intend to do so.

 

[Willo_23]

Just quietly, look out for another announcement from the club later this week. #justarumour

Any hints? I'm intrigued!

 

[tiger_tough]

Just quietly, look out for another announcement from the club later this week. #justarumour

300 and out?

 

[tastiger]

Must rebuild, keep only a handful of players over 30. I really don't mind a few years of pain as it's the best chance of a premiership long term.

Having witnessed 3 flags now, making finals just won't be enough. Hope I don't sound greedy

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[energyquant]

300 and out?

That's what he hinted at. The source is a 50/50 guy, but well connected through one of the coteries. He told me Lambert had retired on Friday and that there was "more to come" before the end of the season.

 

[bd3_]

Just quietly, look out for another announcement from the club later this week. #justarumour

Matty Parker thanks for everything

 

[Mr Magic]

Matty Parker thanks for everything

Matt provided solid effort and stability.

Smart outcome so everybody can get the best out of their opportunities

 

[tony__montana]

Keep going with the rebuild/refresh.

To be honest, we havent relied on any of our plus 30's this season, in fact apart from Cotchin, I think they've all struggled enormously tbh.

I dont think we'll miss a beat if
Edwards
Lambert
Reiwoldt
dont play on. Would like Cotch to go around 1 more time mainly for leadership, as onfield I don't think he's been huge - handy? definitely.

 

[tiger_tough]

So with Caddy, Edwards (I expect) and Lambert all retired plus Aarts and Martyn likely to be delisted that's 5 spots opened up on the senior list already. Then there is the chance of a Ross or RCD requesting a trade. Stack I think needs to be cut or elevated from the rookie list? Miller too I think. Parker I assume was still on the rookie list. I think delist and re-rookie Stack, elevate Miller. Retain Biggie on the rookie list.

Given we'll only have 3 decent picks in the draft I think we definitely need Cotchin and Riewoldt to go around one more year. No point cutting them and replacing them with late draft picks. Currently we hold picks 9, 19, 27 then 81, 99 and 117.

I think we should be trading at least one of those early picks out for a midfielder, use 2 picks in the ND, 2 picks in the RD and pick up a Paddy Dow

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Paddy Dow

Age

26

Ht

184cm

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83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

type mature age player for peanuts. Then moving Riewoldt and Cotchin out after 2023 will make it a fairly smooth transition.

 

[Mr Magic]

So with Caddy, Edwards (I expect) and Lambert all retired plus Aarts and Martyn likely to be delisted that's 5 spots opened up on the senior list already. Then there is the chance of a Ross or RCD requesting a trade. Stack I think needs to be cut or elevated from the rookie list? Miller too I think. Parker I assume was still on the rookie list. I think delist and re-rookie Stack, elevate Miller. Retain Biggie on the rookie list.

Given we'll only have 3 decent picks in the draft I think we definitely need Cotchin and Riewoldt to go around one more year. No point cutting them and replacing them with late draft picks. Currently we hold picks 9, 19, 27 then 81, 99 and 117.

I think we should be trading at least one of those early picks out for a midfielder, use 2 picks in the ND, 2 picks in the RD and pick up a Paddy Dow type mature age player for peanuts. Then moving Riewoldt and Cotchin out after 2023 will make it a fairly smooth transition.

Aarts is on the rookie isn't he? If he is on the main clearly he has to be let go either way.

Cotch and JR can go on the rookie list, helps with cap space to

 

[tiger_tough]

Aarts is on the rookie isn't he? If he is on the main clearly he has to be let go either way.

Cotch and JR can go on the rookie list, helps with cap space to

Is he? He signed a 2 year deal in 2020. Can sign multi year rookie deals? Not sure. But yeah he has to be gone.

 

[Waca Jr]

One answer the club need to find is who of Balta or Gibcus stay back. I'd like to see Balta play forward 100% of the time. Bloke can monster blokes one on one may as well plonk him in the goal square and push Lynch higher up. Gibcus stays down back

 

[energyquant]

One answer the club need to find is who of Balta or Gibcus stay back. I'd like to see Balta play forward 100% of the time. Bloke can monster blokes one on one may as well plonk him in the goal square and push Lynch higher up. Gibcus stays down back

I take a very duifferent view. Gibcus has shown more in a few quarters up forward than Balta has in entire games. More importantly, Balta has all the traits necessary to be the next Alex Rance. Gibcus will be (at best) a taller version of Jake Lever.

I hope we see a backline in 2024 of Balta, Miller and Gibcus. Until Tarrant retires, we can't fit them all in and Gibcus is the least ready.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Just quietly, look out for another announcement from the club later this week. #justarumour

Great call EQ. Love an early tip that actually comes to fruition

 

[ROYCY HART A TRUE CHF]

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' July ranking

AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey rates the performances so far of 2022's top 25 draft prospects

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Cadman & Szybkowski for me !!!

 

[From45SlightAngle]

This years draft looks like it’s loaded with midfielders. Would love to get two first round picks somehow to use on two guns. Then pursue a KPF for development.