List Mgmt. Rebuild or refresh?

[Danw0w]

Do some of you guys thinking we can challenge again with some savvy recruitment get it now?

We are years off contending again, hence need to keep our picks.

What because of one bad half of footy?

 

[juss]

What because of one bad half of footy?

Wow. Just wow.

Try the last 40 games of footy...

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Have led in the fourth quarter in 16 of our 18 games, should have beaten every team above us with the exception of Melbourne but sure let's rebuild. Idiots.

 

[DeLaCon]

We have an aging list. We need to go back to the draft again get 3 or 4 kids bring in a free agent and keep the process going.

 

[Walt Kowalski]

Dumb maybe, but could anyone see us getting another year or two out of JR as a key defender?

He reads the play better than most and makes good decisions in traffic. Could see him being a Paul Roos type at CHB. He’d set things up well.

He might be past it but it’s worth considering imo.

 

[SleepingGiant]

Keep drafting like we are please. Cumberland and Sonsie. Would take them any day over mentioned trade targets.

 

[JR82]

It's difficult, isn't it. To understand where we're at. It's been a great ride. One of my bucket list wishes, was to see the Tigers win a premiership live. Im getting on, so wasn't sure i would. But I've been at the last dance twice now to see them and hope a couple more to come. I think after 37 years of nothingness, most supporters have that fear of falling away again in the bqck of their mind. For me, it's we are either playing to win a premiership, or we are bulding to win one. I just hope the club knows which one we are.

For mine it's the latter option. It's a critical one to get right which Clubs often get wrong & it sets them back many yrs.

 

[JR82]

This yrs draft = 1 KPF then 2 inside mids thx!

 

[Ctl]

Dumb maybe, but could anyone see us getting another year or two out of JR as a key defender?

He reads the play better than most and makes good decisions in traffic. Could see him being a Paul Roos type at CHB. He’d set things up well.

He might be past it but it’s worth considering imo.

We are quite well stocked for KPD at the moment

 

[Mr Magic]

I just seen the 1st qtr of the reserves.

To me its even more obvious we have a list management problem.

We do not have enough mids.

We have far too many small forwards. We do not need any more small forwards. We have Clarke in the reverses and Cumberland excelling, no more small forwards at the moment

We have enough backs to for the moment.

I would even put Banks in the guts for a change up, in the reserves, give him a go.

Part of is to do with our lack of quality draft picks in recent years but we do not have enough actual midfielders.

Aarts and Martyn should go for sure, delisted, but I see guys out of position because they are played in other positions to make up for our lack of midfield strength.

We have a few hybrids, a few backs trying to be mids and forwards trying to be mids but not enough actual midfields. Thats where Geelong have an advantage because they have more actual midfielders with the rule changes

 

[tigs2010]

Perhaps the two best Key Forwards in our range?

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They lost me on Jefferson when they compare him to Harrison Jones lol

Normally they compare them all to peak Cyril or BUddy or Dusty when really they're Craig Biddiscombe, Harrison Jones or John Noble.

To start with Harrison Jones is a comparison sounds like a bust to me lol

 

[Tigers_fan24]

Do we have any father sons coming through the ranks any time soon out of curiosity? Or next gen academy? looking at how the dogs are rorting these two systems, wondering if we are able to do the same any time soon?

 

[Noidnadroj]

Jack may play but at what level, will he be managed? (and again we don't really know if he will). As I said Lynch is also getting on and is injury prone. That is being seriously exposed. But whatever, what I find interesting is how cavalier some are about drafting talls compared to mids ie 'maybe buy a free agent or even use later picks'. I look at teams with the best key talls that we'd have to beat to win a premiership (some with twin towers) and they all invariably come from the first round (just like Riewoldt and Lynch did).

Gibcus (who is actually a defender)is the first first round tall we have picked since Reiwoldt in the 2006 draft. I guess for some using any more than one first rounder on a KPF every 20 years is a wasteful excess. Anyhow we were lucky to have Lynch fall into our laps for just salary cap, that is highly unlikely to happen again. Much rather draft our next Riewoldt or Lynch then pay through the nose or settle for some B grader.

Anyhow there are some kinds of players that you bargain bin more with later picks than others eg Rucks, crumbing small forwards, negating defenders. But athletic tall marking KPFs with football smarts and kicking skills, not so much. Anyhow, it's getting late here, just want to say that ultimately want the best available with our first pick regardless of height, but if they are both equal then it has to be the tall.

What do these players have in common:

Lynch
Dixon
Buddy
Chol
Kennedy
Daniher
Cameron
Wright
Stringer
Gunston
Lobb
Casboult
Hogan
B Brown
Membrey

KPF’s that were not drafted by their current clubs.

Which is not to say we don’t try to get one in the draft, but I think it makes it very clear there’s no
need to panic given any KPF in the draft is not likely to be giving great value for 2-3 seasons.


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[Noidnadroj]

Lets get real for a minute. Its not a fab 5.

Bolton is a star, Baker is a special role player, Balta is a gun with a lot of talent, Lynch a KPP high end, Vlastuin solid, and Rioli a bit of flair and run. They are not all the same and cannot be struck with the same brush in terms of any recruiting approach. These guys where not late draft picks except Baker and Baker is a great tryer but is not in the same class apart from being a terrific role player in the forward line.

Even Bolton is more a star in the context of a forward threat. Having said that he is a freak in teh way he moves. I was watching Nick Daicos move after getting the ball ad what stood out to me was how freakish his ability to exit the play in his movement after getting the ball with ball in hand. I am not sure Bolton would be the best back pocket in the world and Caleb Daniel did not do a lot for the Bulldogs in the backline last night

Glass half empty = 9th on the ladder and about to fall off a cliff.

Glass half full = have been leading 17 of 19 games in the last quarter this season and with a bit more luck would be second on the ladder…. and doing this predominantly without Lynch or Dusty.

Given the upside to come from Sonsie, Gibcus, Cumberland, MRJ, Miller and a few other promising youngsters I think we are only a couple of puzzle pieces (a gun mid and a KPF) away from having a great list for the next 5-7 years.


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[Rioli2Rioli]

Our biggest need is a midfield bull

We need not 1 but 2 inside ball winners to give our fowards the best opportunity and stop the amount of ball going into our defence from center clearances and stoppage clearances. Its all good and fine saying go to the draft but with a pick #10 there is no guarantee you get what you need and after investing 4-5 years he could be a fail.

Green would be the dream but Toranto looks like he is available along with Hopper. You take them
I would go for both these players and give up our 1st 2 picks

This keeps us in top 4 contention next year and both young enough to be around 6-7 years
We have invested heavily in the draft last year and have enough kids on the list and need players in the 20-25 range to remain relevant

 

[Tackle Bag]

Our biggest need is a midfield bull

We need not 1 but 2 inside ball winners to give our fowards the best opportunity and stop the amount of ball going into our defence from center clearances and stoppage clearances. Its all good and fine saying go to the draft but with a pick #10 there is no guarantee you get what you need and after investing 4-5 years he could be a fail.

Green would be the dream but Toranto looks like he is available along with Hopper. You take them
I would go for both these players and give up our 1st 2 picks

This keeps us in top 4 contention next year and both young enough to be around 6-7 years
We have invested heavily in the draft last year and have enough kids on the list and need players in the 20-25 range to remain relevant

You might find sonsie becomes a starter in our midfield next year. He was drafted as a clearance specialist.
The kid is a top 5 talent that slipped due to injury. He had limited preseason and has shown plenty in my opinion.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Still need another inside mid desperately. Sonsie is 19 or whatever, can't expect him to (week in, week out) be an inside mid.

6-6-6 means inside mids are a must.

 

[energyquant]

Let's talk about what we're talking about: Martin, Cotchin and Riewoldt.

If you think it's refresh, then you keep all three. You add a few kids via the draft, develop a few kids currently playing VFL (e.g. HRS, Gibcus) and pick your best team every week to try and win the game.

If you think it's rebuild, then at least two of them (and perhaps all three) leave the clubs at the end of 2022. You use the salary cap space to bring in an inside mid (to replace Cotch), you hand over the forward line to Lynch + Cumberland (replacing Riewoldt) and you play more kids.

I don't think we're winning the flag in 2023, so I think it's time to rebuild.

 

[Mr Magic]

Our biggest need is a midfield bull

We need not 1 but 2 inside ball winners to give our fowards the best opportunity and stop the amount of ball going into our defence from center clearances and stoppage clearances. Its all good and fine saying go to the draft but with a pick #10 there is no guarantee you get what you need and after investing 4-5 years he could be a fail.

Green would be the dream but Toranto looks like he is available along with Hopper. You take them
I would go for both these players and give up our 1st 2 picks

This keeps us in top 4 contention next year and both young enough to be around 6-7 years
We have invested heavily in the draft last year and have enough kids on the list and need players in the 20-25 range to remain relevant

We need two if not three inside mids from the draft.

The reserves is not functioning either from a lack of mids

On the weekend Castagna, Aarts and Street was in the middle in reserves at times which is ridiculous.

Sonsie went past Ross in his third game on the weekend.

So we have Cotch, Presita, Sonsie, Graham as mids and Bolton, Dusty, Short can do cameos and support. We need far more inside mid strength and we need it in the reserves to. These days we can target players in the draft and we should take this opportunity I think to get more talent in through the draft if good enough. Our cupboard is virtually bare. Dow looks like he might be able to add something in the future playing a few different roles.

 

[Falcon3518]

We refresh while we still have a chance to win 4 flags in 8 years or less. Then have a full on rebuild because by then all our core dynasty players would’ve retired. Pump up Dusty stats as much as possible for GOAT contention and I’m all good.


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[Rimmer]

This will be relevant even if we do still win the 2022 Grand final.

It will depend I think on our senior players and whether they feel they are physically up to going around again.

Kane Lambert

23

Kane Lambert

Age

34

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.5

5star

G

0.6

4star

D

17.3

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.6

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

G

0.5

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.2

3star

has already hung up his hat, a worthy servant through our recent period of dominance. If Jack goes around again (his form is still excellent) then Dusty will probably see out his contract, Dusty is probably still the x factor for actually taking that final step to winning premiership cups. will Cotch go around again, Shane Edwards

10

Shane Edwards

Age

37

Ht

182cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.2

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

9.1

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

3.0

4star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.6

1star

T

3.0

4star

CL

4.2

5star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.2

3star

?

My feeling is we still have one in the tank for 2023 with the current crop so maybe look to reset in 2024 after we back to back in 22 and 23.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

We need two if not three inside mids from the draft.

The reserves is not functioning either from a lack of mids

Why does it have to be from the draft ??

Why cant it be say a player like Toranto/Hopper

 

[JR82]

I just seen the 1st qtr of the reserves.

To me its even more obvious we have a list management problem.

We do not have enough mids.

We have far too many small forwards. We do not need any more small forwards. We have Clarke in the reverses and Cumberland excelling, no more small forwards at the moment

We have enough backs to for the moment.

I would even put Banks in the guts for a change up, in the reserves, give him a go.

Part of is to do with our lack of quality draft picks in recent years but we do not have enough actual midfielders.

Aarts and Martyn should go for sure, delisted, but I see guys out of position because they are played in other positions to make up for our lack of midfield strength.

We have a few hybrids, a few backs trying to be mids and forwards trying to be mids but not enough actual midfields. Thats where Geelong have an advantage because they have more actual midfielders with the rule changes

Will Martyn is an inside mid being played at half back, who the hell knows why.

 

[JR82]

You might find sonsie becomes a starter in our midfield next year. He was drafted as a clearance specialist.
The kid is a top 5 talent that slipped due to injury. He had limited preseason and has shown plenty in my opinion.

He just needs a tank. A full pre season will do him a world of good from next yr onwards.

 

[Mr Magic]

Will Martyn is an inside mid being played at half back, who the hell knows why.

not good enough and I think its to see how he and others go in different positions