Red cards in AFL?

[coldlunch]

it is a very odd quirk of the game that there's no mechanism for a player to be sent off.
not sure if or how it would work if there was, though.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

I'd be for "eye-for-an-eye" penalties

One player gets taken out by a legitimate infringement (shirtfront without eyes for the ball, punches etc)

As long as one player is off, the one who did the crime also is

 

[Matera92]

We should just ban all contact so the soccer mums in this thread can feel safe in the knowledge that the big bad footballers can't hurt one another/

Jesus christ it was a clumsy shirtfront, the way some are talking you'd have thought he'd been shot and teabagged by May.

 

[ziad]

it is a very odd quirk of the game that there's no mechanism for a player to be sent off.
not sure if or how it would work if there was, though.

you haven't watched the umpires lately, they could not be such a harsh penalty available to them

 

[frednirk]

I'd rather not give umpires any more power to influence games than they already have.

 

[Toump Ass]

Of course we shouldn't have red cards.

Players like Boomer Harvey would spend half the game pretending they're dead.

 

[coldlunch]

you haven't watched the umpires lately, they could not be such a harsh penalty available to them

don't disagree with you at all.

 

[Billy ray]

Haven't read the thread but maybe each match day report could mean say 5 less rotations for the match? I it would require umpires to be more vigilant rather than relying on the MRP and media to pick things up post match ....

 

[BurnedScones]

I don't mind the idea of it, but I think it would end up being abused too much and players would be getting sent off unfairly.
Same sort of logic that umpires use with a lot of reports when there's a fracas.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

WAFL had it in the early 90s, might have only lasted 1 season. Shane Strempel iirc was the first and maybe the only player to get sent off.

It is in the laws of the game, has been for 20 years, with an exemption for AFL only. The WAFL (and some other comps) might have their own rules which amend the laws, but as far as I knew it was applied at every level except the AFL.
However, it does not apply to that type of hit unless a given competition says so. Its mostly umpire abuse, kicking, and other "misconduct".

 

[Mead]

Of course we shouldn't have red cards.

Players like Boomer Harvey would spend half their game pretending they're dead.

This is why I don't like this idea- most of the disgraceful staging in soccer happens because if you can suck the umpire in for one second and draw a red or a second yellow, you've pretty much won the game for your team.

In a contact sport where tackles will slip high and players collide far more frequently than soccer, the acting would quickly become farcically bad.

 

[crownie]

1989. Only 25-odd ago. Brissy got close to it in the 2000s, too.

one player had a brain fade, wasn't a whole team going out to thug blokes.

 

[PoppedCorn]

So a team could go the man in a GF knock out 4 players of the opposition and its match over. Is that fair?

When has this ever happened???
When has a team targetted 4 other players form the op side on gf day, or for any final for that matter??

If it was going to happen it wouldve by now.

Stick ya cards
Only think wrong with that bump was he left the ground

 

[Lucky Star]

People whinge and debate for three weeks about a controversial umpiring decision, can you imagine if red cards were brought in?

 

[Furn2]

Surely if it came in it could be reviewed by video and discussed before a player was sent off.

Also it would only need to be the player taken out of the rotation rather than play with 17 men as thats what the oppostion has to deal with.

You could also have that if the player who is hurt by the offence returns so does the sent off player, that way you take away the motiavation to fake it.

 

[Valleyboy9]

I like that sentiment. Often there is zero repurcussion for an offending player in relation to the team he offended. Making them also miss the next game v the opponent they got suspended against might change things up a bit. Imagine missing 3 games out of a suspension you copped against a team in round 18 only to meet them in the grand final and miss out on playing in it

The three game suspension and one hanging over cannot work as neatly as described. You might not meet the same team till the following year. The offending player may be playing for another club the next year, which will penalise the new team. The offending player may retire. A lot of gaps to fill before introduction of the carry over penalty I believe.

 

[Superstar swan]

I dont see the why there is such an out cry over the may incident. Yes it was late, yes it was high but he used a technique (bump) that is legal in the afl. Poor timing and poor execution. Absolutely deserves to be rubbed out and will get 5 or so weeks.

I do agree with red cards but only in extreme circumstances when someone has deliberately hit someone outside the rules of the game ie barry hall om staker.

Anything less than red cards being used im extreme circumstancea and your opening up the chances for players getting sent off when tackling a player and their head hits the ground or even howlers like players getting red for simply injuring players in a perfectly legal tackle

 

[Superstar swan]

Now the afl are kind of bragging without bragging that the may incident has gone viral and is being viewed around the world.

Afl are obsessed with gaining any sort of international relevency

 

[doona]

For those people saying that this is a bad idea, we have never had it in the game etc.... It is already in the AFL Rules for all competitions other then AFL level. Law 20 in the rulebook deals with this, so technically any player at WAFL/VFL/SANFL/... level etc. can be sent off by an umpire:

http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/2016 Laws of Australian Football.pdf

In addition to being reported, a field or emergency field Umpire shall order the
Player reported from the Playing Surface for the remainder of a Match if the
Player is reported for any of the following Reportable Offences:
(a) intentionally or carelessly making contact with or striking an Umpire;
(b) attempting to make contact with or strike an Umpire;
(c) using abusive, insulting, threatening or obscene language towards or in
relation to an Umpire;
(d) behaving in an abusive, insulting, threatening or obscene manner towards
or in relation to an Umpire;
(e) intentionally or carelessly kicking another person;
(f) an act of misconduct if the Umpire is of the opinion that the act
constituting misconduct is serious in nature.

So applying this to AFL level, would only be a small change, as all umpires that came through the ranks would have umpired to those law. (I have sent a player off before).

 

[HBF]

Alot of other sporting codes have it. I don't mind if we look at it.

 

[Fatcat08]

I tend to think yes, but not for May's hit.

I'd want it limited to deliberate punch, elbow or kick to the head off the ball that renders another player to fail the concussion test. In that case then the offending player should be sent off for the remainder of the game and can be replaced on field. Therefore the numbers remain the same on the field and also on the bench. If the injured player is able to come back into the game then the offending player can too.

For incidents like the May hit where he's gone to shoulder and the ball is in the area, the answer is no. May's hit was pretty shit, especially when he could have gone the ball instead and he will get rubbed out for 5-6 weeks i'd imagine but the intent was to lay a bump at the end of the day and he will cop his wack for poor execution.

But if you hit someone deliberately off the ball then yep, all for it. In reality this rarely happens so it would be a rule that would barely get used. Still handy to have in the event of a Hallesque brain snap.

 

[who_let_the_dogs_out]

Only to be used in a prelim or GF to stop incidents like the below from happening again. Blokes with nothing to lose.



Home and Away game, not so much.

 

[caitsith01]

Umpires already have enough ways to ruin games without letting them send players off.

 

[Mister_A]

one player had a brain fade, wasn't a whole team going out to thug blokes.

Doesn't really matter, they were all the same type of acts.

 

[Slax]

When has this ever happened???
When has a team targetted 4 other players form the op side on gf day, or for any final for that matter??

If it was going to happen it wouldve by now.

Stick ya cards
Only think wrong with that bump was he left the ground

Players have been targeted in finals previously and it will happen again, thinking it won't shows a complete lack of history of the game and of vision into future problems.