Redo the 2009 draft.

[ThePuppetMaster]

And Sam Reid has 8 goals in his last 10 games despite more experience and less injuries. On performance he's nowhere near the top 20 but he has to be in there due to potential.

I wouldn't have Reid in my top 15.

I'd probably have Black and him on par.

 

[Rayklienig]

I wouldn't have Reid in my top 15.

I'd probably have Black and him on par.

He stats don't do him any justice 55 games out of a 21 year old key forward is streets ahead of a 10 game player

 

[Daz]

Hardly Black's fault he was ****ed by injury.

 

[Rayklienig]

Hardly Black's fault he was screwed by injury.

North supporters really rate their list

 

[Daz]

North supporters really rate their list

Since you're such an Aaron Black expert, why don't you tell me a bit about him. Not stats either, I'd like to know your thoughts on his attributes.

 

[Rayklienig]

Since you're such an Aaron Black expert, why don't you tell me a bit about him. Not stats either, I'd like to know your thoughts on his attributes.

He'd be just like every north player goes to pieces in the last six minutes

 

[Daz]

He'd be just like every north player goes to pieces in the last six minutes

Oh so you haven't seen him? Didn't see that coming.

 

[Rayklienig]

Oh so you haven't seen him? Didn't see that coming.

Seriously who can watch north games I'd rather go paint the wall and watch it dry

 

[Scotland]

Black - Averaging 2.5 goals, 14 disposals, 5 marks and 3 tackles. As a comparison, these numbers are actually better than what Jack Darling's produced in the last 18 months. 11th in the AFL for goals per game and averaging 95 in Supercoach if you're into that kind of thing.

That's tremendous. When he maintains that output over 57 games rather than 6, get back to us.

Majak Daw was drafted in 2009. He averages 18 disposals, 8 marks and 6 goals in games against the Western Bulldogs, surely he's top 5 material?

 

[Scotland]

Seriously who can watch north games I'd rather go paint the wall and watch it dry

Harsh. North games are great to watch, particularly the last quarters.

 

[Rayklienig]

That's tremendous. When he maintains that output over 57 games rather than 6, get back to us.

Majak Daw was drafted in 2009. He averages 18 disposals, 8 marks and 6 goals in games against the Western Bulldogs, surely he's top 5 material?

Old Magic Door he is terrible but I'd have him in my top 2

 

[Rayklienig]

Harsh. North games are great to watch, particularly the last quarters.

The crows north game was like watching Steven Bradbury win the gold medal

 

[Tulip]

Black's 2 goals against the might GC should see him go up to 5th.

 

[.Shotties.]

And Sam Reid has 8 goals in his last 10 games despite more experience and less injuries. On performance he's nowhere near the top 20 but he has to be in there due to potential.

Sam Reid plays on defenders slightly more able than Gwilt.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Sam Reid plays on defenders slightly more able than Gwilt.

True, but aren't you concerned about his development?

 

[Rayklienig]

True, but aren't you concerned about his development?

He's 21 For starters and he had a really long year last year. He plays his role week in week out his defensive pressure is great. It's not as tho he been poorly developed like Lucas Cook

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

He's 21 For starters and he had a really long year last year. He plays his role week in week out his defensive pressure is great. It's not as tho he been poorly developed like Lucas Cook

Sure, but really - he's only a 5/6 months younger then Jack Watts.

Based on what Reid showed in his second year, I would have thought he would have been a 45-55 goal key forward by now.

I still think he has that potential, I'm just curious - I've come to the opinion that he might be better off playing down back for a bit?

 

[Rayklienig]

Sure, but really - he's only a 5/6 months younger then Jack Watts.

Based on what Reid showed in his second year, I would have thought he would have been a 45-55 goal key forward by now.

I still think he has that potential, I'm just curious - I've come to the opinion that he might be better off playing down back for a bit?

No he'll be fine playing up forward his numbers are picking up. I don't care about his goal tally

 

[.Shotties.]

True, but aren't you concerned about his development?

Not particularly. He's never going to be a superstar, he's going to be a good key forward. He hasn't continued on the rise he seemed to be on during 2011, but improvement is very rarely linear. I don't know what the time frame will be for when he needs to start really producing, but Longmire has said the club is happy with how he's doing (take it for what it's worth), so I'm happy to defer to him for now.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Sure, but really - he's only a 5/6 months younger then Jack Watts.

Based on what Reid showed in his second year, I would have thought he would have been a 45-55 goal key forward by now.

I still think he has that potential, I'm just curious - I've come to the opinion that he might be better off playing down back for a bit?

Sydney (& the SCG) don't exactly play a style that is conducive to slight built KPF marking players.

He's obviously going to be behind Tippet now.

He is a chance for a trade IMO, you guys should look at him.

He would go alright on the MCG expanses.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Not particularly. He's never going to be a superstar, he's going to be a good key forward. He hasn't continued on the rise he seemed to be on during 2011, but improvement is very rarely linear. I don't know what the time frame will be for when he needs to start really producing, but Longmire has said the club is happy with how he's doing (take it for what it's worth), so I'm happy to defer to him for now.

Yeah, fair points - in 2011 I thought he showed enough to suggest he really could be a top line key forward.

If he doesn't make it up forward I'm pretty sure he'd be a gun key back - athletic, great mark, neat skills.

 

[Damon_3388]

I still think he has that potential, I'm just curious - I've come to the opinion that he might be better off playing down back for a bit?

Can someone please show me evidence of when doing this ever turned anyone into a good/better forward?

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Can someone please show me evidence of when doing this ever turned anyone into a good/better forward?

Garry Lyon, David Neitz, Matthew Pavlich...

 

[Damon_3388]

Garry Lyon, David Neitz, Matthew Pavlich...

Were they playing down back specifically to develop themselves as forwards, or because they had talent as backmen and/or their teams already had enough talent up forward? For example, I seem to recall Neitz being a full-time backman during 1994, in a team that had Garry Lyon, David Schwartz, Allen Jakovich and Martin Pike (somewhat of a key forward/third tall type during that time) playing regular games. He was never going to get a game up forward when all were fit and firing, so they had to use him somewhere else.

I'm just of the mind that if you want to develop a player in a position, you actually play them in that position. Getting too cute with it (a la Melbourne with Jack Watts) doesn't really achieve anything IMO.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Were they playing down back specifically to develop themselves as forwards, or because they had talent as backmen and/or their teams already had enough talent up forward? For example, I seem to recall Neitz being a full-time backman during 1994, in a team that had Garry Lyon, David Schwartz, Allen Jakovich and Martin Pike (somewhat of a key forward/third tall type during that time) playing regular games. He was never going to get a game up forward when all were fit and firing, so they had to use him somewhere else.

I'm just of the mind that if you want to develop a player in a position, you actually play them in that position. Getting too cute with it (a la Melbourne with Jack Watts) doesn't really achieve anything IMO.

Neitz was a good backman naturally, his forward game was much improved later on though.

And you're right he was thrown back because we had a full compliment of KPFs, doesn't change the fact that it made him a better forward though

I think the main thing you get from it is confidence and and understanding of work rate/leading patterns.