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2nds Reserves 2012

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It was a good hard-fought contest and the Swans sure gave the Tigers a scare in the last. Only wished we had kicked one more goal to bring it within one goal (argh Jesse White) and things would have been very interesting.
 
Yep credit to your boys for coming back at the Tigers and if I am honest i thought we were in trouble when our 36 point lead was whittled down to just 9. But credit to Queanbeyan who dug deep and found that bit extra when many thought they had nothing left.

Cracking hard fought contest.
 
  • Brett Meredith - when he had the ball he used it well and effectively but the problem was he didn't see much of it. When thrown into the midfield in the last quarter, he managed some telling clearances. He struggles under close physical attention and cannot extricate himself from these situations through either brute force or evasive skills.
  • Trent Dennis-Lane - I wasn't as impressed by his game as other posters here. He did well for his goals but I'd expect Queanbeyan to be very happy with the way his opponent Jeremy Kirkwood contained him. In the last quarter the Swans cleared the entire forward 50 and he started to get on top but they adjusted dropping a spare man back (Spangher was our spare man) which allowed Kirkwood to maintain tight contact with TDL without having to worry about the ball clearing them and TDL getting free over the back.
  • Jed Lamb - Started where he left off 2 weeks ago with his powerful attack on the ball and displayed wonderful vision in his distribution of the football. The hit on him in the 2nd quarter was to the midriff and I think he was winded rather than suffering any serious injury as he came back and still played an influential role in the 2nd half. Displayed some great hands with some strong grabs in the last quarter.
  • Tommy Walsh - limped off in the first half and wasn't as effective after that. His contribution to the team over the past month has been his marking on the lead but he struggled to replicate that form today. He also struggled in the contested marking department and was usually slower to the loose ball than his opponent. Went off some time during the 3rd quarter but I only realised this after the game.
  • Jesse White - Rucked basically the whole day (Nipper took one centre bounce in the last) and his tapwork was excellent as usual. Dropped a kick behind play to block the Queanbeyan forwards' space and was effective in this regard. Where he continues to frustrate me is his profligate use of the ball during open play where he will heave up rugby league style bombs which makes it very difficult for his forwards to mark the ball cleanly. He took a nice grab with strong hands in the last quarter but unfortunately couldn't convert what would have been a very handy goal.
  • Tony Armstrong - Covered plenty of ground pushing back hard in defence and then providing run and carry when the Swans had the ball. His kicking was a standout and the team missed his work rate once he was removed from the action.
  • Matthew Spangher - The spare parts man, up forward he did well to compete and bring the ball to ground but struggled to take the contested marks that we've become accustomed to. When Kavanagh and co. were threatening to tear apart the game in the 3rd quarter he was sent back to stem the flow but in the last he seemed to be playing as the "plus one" defender, covering the angles well to cut off attacks and launching long kicks to TDL and the open forward line.
  • Dylan McNeil - Actually started at half forward which was an unusual role for him but soon saw his fair share of time in the midfield during the game. His formline coming into the game was outstanding but he was part of a midfield that was outmuscled and eventually outclassed today.
  • Jarred Moore - Did his usual grunt work in the middle but his effectiveness was stifled by a pretty tight tag the whole day. His frustration was visible when he was harshly (IMO) penalised for going over the mark on the wing and almost gave away another 50 when he was baited by the Queanbeyan player in Daniel Campbell. Tried up forward very late in the piece but missed an inconsequential shot on goal
  • Campbell Heath - Fantastic game, courageous, smart player who had an such a pivotal role with his partner-in-crime Lynch out of the team. He read the flight of the ball incredibly well and wasn't afraid to run off his man to help his teammates or fling his body in desperation in order to disrupt a marking attempt. He will be a very sore player this morning.
  • Harry Cunningham - The best attacking (half) game I have seen from Harry this year and I wish we had seen more of it during the year. If you didn't watch the game live or on the live stream do yourself a favour and watch his goal in the 3rd quarter where he took off from halfback, had 3 bounces whilst flying past many staionary Tigers and then had the poise and skill to finish from 50m was breathtaking. I understand the idea of him being used in defensive run-with roles during the year in order to aid his development but I felt that constrained his ability to utilise his greatest assets which are his pace and his raw power.
  • Nathan Gordon - I cannot fault his enthusiasm or his desire, and I wish that some other players would play with half the intensity that Nippa does but he tends to overdo it when the situation sometimes calls for a calmer head and a more measured approach. His faults included trying to bash and crash his way through multiple tacklers as well as overzealousness in his tackling. His role was primarily playing on a wing but using his running capabilities to help out at either end of the ground.
  • Jackson Potter (#47) - His well-developed body was a much needed presence amongst some of the skinnier topups. He spent some time in the midfield as well as on the half-back flank. His chase, tackle and eventual strip of Fruend on the wing (right in front of me) in the last quarter was an amazing piece of play.
  • Erol Sertbas (#51) - Has done well in each of his previous appearances and he started the game well again. Understands the flow of the game very well and links up well with his teammates around the half-forward area. Fell heavily to the ground after bravely going up for a mark in the helter-skelter madness of the last quarter and had to be helped off.
  • David Lycakis (#52) - Kicked 3 goals and thoroughly deserved each one. Short but tenacious player who set up TDL for the first goal of the game and kicked the next one himself. A smart soccered goal resulted in his second and he was the lucky recipient of a kind bounce for his 3rd.
  • Rory Pryor (#54) - Had the unenviable task on playing on Kavanagh despite only playing one reserves game throughout the year. He started okay but the mobility of Kavanagh troubled him and he couldn't keep up on many of his leads. Also had a touch of the fumbles when the Swans attempted to chip it around in defence, although that was probably more due to the inaccuracy of the kicker.
  • Blake Guthrie (#56) - Experienced topup of past years who rotated through the midfield and gave a more physical contest than some of the other topups.
  • Nathan Kenny (#57) - Surprisingly spent a lot of time on the bench given that he has had plenty of experience with the team last year.
  • Jordan Weir (#58) - Did well on Ben Klemke who had troubled the Reserves in the semi final with 4 goals. Also a solid kick and wasn't afraid to pinpoint targets from our defensive 50.
  • Jack McKinlay (#50), Tom Green (#53), Doug Hadden (#55), Beau Heeney (#59) - The least developed of the topups, relatively skinny kids who spent a lot of time on the bench or in forward pockets when they went onto the ground. Hadden was in the goalsquare on the end of a TDL handpass which allowed him to kick a simple goal.
 

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Cheers grim much appreciated. Thought it was a good match until half time, and we lost the game in defence, though the midfield really wasn't much better allowing so much ball to go down there.

The three standouts for me were Lamb, Heath and Cunningham. Armstrong as well in the first quarter was good, can't remember seeing him after that. TDL while very opportunistic and had a few good overhead marks really doesn't do much defensive work, thought there were a number of occasions where he could have made an impact but didn't do the work, gets a pass. Wasn't limited to him though, Lamb also had moments where his defensive aspects were lackluster.

Everyone else was average to poor.

Lynch the big out, surely it must have been injury that kept him out, not structure or form.
 

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Harry's goal was brilliance. Can see why the coaches have been up putting so much defensive work into him. They must really rate what he is capable of being if they are doing that with a 19 yo.

Watched a bit of the game and some of the things Campbell Heath does just underline to me that he is a senior player in the waiting. His spoils, composed disposal in particular. Reckon he could definitely usurp one of our back 7 next year, no mean feat given how consistent and strong they have been as a group.
 
The NEAFL rules restricting the AFL Reserve teams are there to stop the ACT teams from whinging, and do nothing to improve the game, in fact, it is the opposite.

The same outcome the past 2 years has seen the local side benefit far too much in the decider.

Lets be honest, the rules reward mediocre dinosaurs who can bash kids.

Typical was the fact that Queanbeyan played a guy who was clearly an overweight part timer in the GF (the commentators called him "piggy").

He has only played 9 games for them all year, and on what he showed, wouldn't get a kick against men, but would be sure to intimidate 17 year olds ... which he did and kicked 5 goals ... they are encouraged to do this across the ground, knowing that the umpires will not respond. Well coached!

Very sad when those covering the game down there then flap on about "courage" and "guts" (well piggy's guts was evident I suppose!), when really they would be dummies not to take advantage, play country league bash ball, and win themselves a flag "against all odds".

Truth is, under those conditions, they only need to get themselves up for it once, and the ACT team should always start favourites.

The simple fix is, let the ACT keep their competition.

Play your normal season games as they are, but come finals, just have 3 separate conference final series

The top 4 from the ACT/Sydney teams play a final series, the 4 AFL Reserves side can do the same, and so can the Qld/NT teams ... no restrictions on players, no one can complain.
 
S120 said:
Harry's goal was brilliance. Can see why the coaches have been up putting so much defensive work into him. They must really rate what he is capable of being if they are doing that with a 19 yo.

Watched a bit of the game and some of the things Campbell Heath does just underline to me that he is a senior player in the waiting. His spoils, composed disposal in particular. Reckon he could definitely usurp one of our back 7 next year, no mean feat given how consistent and strong they have been as a group.
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He would have to pull a Ted Richards turn-around to knock out anyone from the back six next year. He has to make it to the senior list first.
 

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whiteandred said:
The NEAFL rules restricting the AFL Reserve teams are there to stop the ACT teams from whinging, and do nothing to improve the game, in fact, it is the opposite.

The same outcome the past 2 years has seen the local side benefit far too much in the decider.

Lets be honest, the rules reward mediocre dinosaurs who can bash kids.

Typical was the fact that Queanbeyan played a guy who was clearly an overweight part timer in the GF (the commentators called him "piggy").

He has only played 9 games for them all year, and on what he showed, wouldn't get a kick against men, but would be sure to intimidate 17 year olds ... which he did and kicked 5 goals ... they are encouraged to do this across the ground, knowing that the umpires will not respond. Well coached!

Very sad when those covering the game down there then flap on about "courage" and "guts" (well piggy's guts was evident I suppose!), when really they would be dummies not to take advantage, play country league bash ball, and win themselves a flag "against all odds".

Truth is, under those conditions, they only need to get themselves up for it once, and the ACT team should always start favourites.

The simple fix is, let the ACT keep their competition.

Play your normal season games as they are, but come finals, just have 3 separate conference final series

The top 4 from the ACT/Sydney teams play a final series, the 4 AFL Reserves side can do the same, and so can the Qld/NT teams ... no restrictions on players, no one can complain.
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WOW.
I can't believe the vitriol coming from some posters. Most of the year everyone complains that the ressies don't get enough competition and "win" too easy, and it hurts the development of the younger guys but when you don't win its everyone's else's fault and the league wants to even it all up!
I will cop plenty over this post but so be it.
I have said in this and the NEAFL forum for years that the Swans Ressies playing in this comp have done nothing but improve the standard and it makes ALL other clubs have to improve.
Mediocre dinosaurs- that has to be the biggest insult to the Tigers I have ever heard. 15 of the players were 24 years old or younger and 10 of those are 21 or younger. Tigers did happen to finish the H&A on top of the ladder. Oh and just a little fact 7 of the player have come through the RAMS program in the last 3 or 4 years as well, so those two words and the Tigers this year do not go together.
Watched the game live and twice again and only saw once incident, (which was a right hook to the guts and Griggs got reported for it), which could be described as "bash". Everything else was what the Swans pride themselves on, head down, hard at it. On the day the Tigers out did you.
"Piggy" (who is an aging 20 year old) is what he is and the only one he really stirred up was Jarod Moore (not exactly what I would call a "kid") but one of your finest players at senior and this level, but someone with more experience than most out there on the weekend.
Lets remember who put this league together, it wasn't the ACT clubs it was the AFL. It was put in place to give more and more players the chance to play in a stronger league (which is going in the right direction). They make the rules, they run the league and if the AFL clubs (there are 4 not just the Swans, agree to them).
So is this about the Swans not winning or about the development of your list?
I think that your younger players have developed very well and apart from 1 game this year the side put out was what the coaches would want.
I agree that the rules are too tough on the AFL sides (What are the rules for the VFL teams bedford in regards to numbers in finals?) but this is the best option and in reality the only one available.
I also think that your coaches see it all as development (even GF day), why else would you take Armstrong off?
I don't think he was injured but he maybe called upon this week in the team that really matters.
Good luck on Friday.
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Morning all,

My opinion only, for what its worth.

A fantastic hard fought contest by both sides. I thought the Tigers were just that bit harder at the contest than the Swans for most of the day.

In regard to the listed player restrictions, those are the rules and until they change so be it. I can understand that its frustrating with these restrictions, Everitt being ineligible was a huge loss.

Couldnt understand Lynch not playing, not sure if he was injured.

Cunningham's goal was outstanding, my comment in the Qbn coaching box at the time was simply "wow".

Griggs' hit on Lamb was the only physical contest that was not within the spirit or laws of the game, and was an over-reaction to some push and shove he received and he was rightfully reported.

Armstrong was good early but I think Jensen did a good job on him from the middle of the second quarter.

I have heard that Moore is being delisted and if so then I congratulate him on his time with the Swans reserves. A quality player who has led and assisted the development of the younger players with great professionalism - well done J.M.

I thought Jacques did a job on Walsh and whilst he was apparently rested late in the game he did appear to be injured also.

Cheers,

PJ
 
mark121 said:
1hour 55 min 15 seconds in to see Cunningham's great running 3 bounce and 60m kick for the goal.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/25446915

Worth watching he must be a good chance for the 100m sprint in the grand final this year.
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I'd love to see him get a couple of senior games in 2013, provided he earns it of course. He's looked like a future star the first time I saw him play.
 
one 4 the road said:
WOW.
I can't believe the vitriol coming from some posters. Most of the year everyone complains that the ressies don't get enough competition and "win" too easy, and it hurts the development of the younger guys but when you don't win its everyone's else's fault and the league wants to even it all up!
I will cop plenty over this post but so be it.
I have said in this and the NEAFL forum for years that the Swans Ressies playing in this comp have done nothing but improve the standard and it makes ALL other clubs have to improve.
Mediocre dinosaurs- that has to be the biggest insult to the Tigers I have ever heard. 15 of the players were 24 years old or younger and 10 of those are 21 or younger. Tigers did happen to finish the H&A on top of the ladder. Oh and just a little fact 7 of the player have come through the RAMS program in the last 3 or 4 years as well, so those two words and the Tigers this year do not go together.
Watched the game live and twice again and only saw once incident, (which was a right hook to the guts and Griggs got reported for it), which could be described as "bash". Everything else was what the Swans pride themselves on, head down, hard at it. On the day the Tigers out did you.
"Piggy" (who is an aging 20 year old) is what he is and the only one he really stirred up was Jarod Moore (not exactly what I would call a "kid") but one of your finest players at senior and this level, but someone with more experience than most out there on the weekend.
Lets remember who put this league together, it wasn't the ACT clubs it was the AFL. It was put in place to give more and more players the chance to play in a stronger league (which is going in the right direction). They make the rules, they run the league and if the AFL clubs (there are 4 not just the Swans, agree to them).
So is this about the Swans not winning or about the development of your list?
I think that your younger players have developed very well and apart from 1 game this year the side put out was what the coaches would want.
I agree that the rules are too tough on the AFL sides (What are the rules for the VFL teams bedford in regards to numbers in finals?) but this is the best option and in reality the only one available.
I also think that your coaches see it all as development (even GF day), why else would you take Armstrong off?
I don't think he was injured but he maybe called upon this week in the team that really matters.
Good luck on Friday.
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My point is that when teams have restrictions imposed, the other teams only need to be smart enough to work out how to exploit them in one game, and that is what is now the norm.

Swans will struggle to "win" a NEAFL trophy in those circumstances, especially when the senior side is still alive, and players' game times are being "managed".

The real advantage to the true "senior" team is in the bottom end ... there is a huge difference in maturity between a 17-18 y.o. and a 20-23 y.o., physically and mentally.

So far as dinosaurs ... .people condoning "one incident" and excusing it since he "got reported" and "it is a Grand Final" just validates my point ... they didn't play like that all year, and they never picked a player like piggy in a game against a top side all year (who missed for him?) ... one step forward, two steps backwards ... well coached, right tactics, well done!

Yes the preliminary rounds are a different story, and do provide development opportunities for all clubs.

That's why I suggest, after the prelims, split into 3 conferences, unrestricted, no complaints and the best team in each wins.

In saying that, I hope the Tigers go out and belt the Lions on Saturday!

(that's if they have sobered up by then!?:p )
 

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