Richmond 2012

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i think the difference is if geelong lose three good ones they still compete. they still win enough to get them where they want.
if we lose three bring on the hidings.

the crazy thing is our better mids played most games last yr they all played well (if b&f is anything to go by which most pundits are quite happy to point out to me). its not the better players who are the problem but the lack of good quality foot soldiers around them.
sheesh here we are still talking about white jacksson houli tuck edwards webberley miller mcguane etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc . ffs its not our better players who are the problem or our developing kids no its the same bloody glass half fulls who will always revert to type.

why cant we as supporters take the emotion out of it and judge players on the things that count.

an example is houli hes entering yr 6 hes had one bloody passable yr in a role my bloody granny could get a kick in.

yet this bloke is a player and a lock in sheesh what ever happened to players properly establishing themselves. why dont supporters ever learn.
how many have we had over the yrs who have had more than enough deficiencies in their games have one decent yr and be proclaimed. sheesh one can see what will happen a mile away.

ah i really do give up. it is a roundabout it remains a roundabout because it seems no one can get the bar to where it needs to get and noone understands just how long it will take.

houli was an upgrade he was cheap being cheap meant he came with defects. they are there for all to see. when i compare him to others in his role i have no hesitation in rating a lot of others more highly because they have more attributes.
just because hes better than what we have had does it mean we dont need to improve again.glass half full is glass half full. if houlis 60% full its time to look for the 7o% player.
i can have this debate about half our bloody list. and when i stack these players up against others what needs to happen hits you in the face.

how can we possibly win finals with houli king white jackson mcguane miller etc etc etc etc.
we cant the work to be done is enormous.

now in this rant are we going in the right direction. of course we are. but we arent gc or gws who have every concession under the sun. we have to value add as we go.
houli is replaced by say an ibbotson who in time is replaced by say a birchall or any number of sml/med defenders id take in front of him. king is replaced by a harper yes on potential who is replaced by say a garlett or any number of sml forwards id take in front of him.

just to finish im not saying houli or king and some others are not best 22 but we have to acknowledge that just perhaps we have to aim a bit higher if we are to get where we want.
end of rant.

That is a nice rant and I must say you came nowhere near discussing the topic which I was talking about. The question was raised that if we lost Cotchin Martin Deledio & Riewoldt we would be screwed. The reply to that was that the same thing could be said about nearly every team. Yes some of them might be able to compete a little better than we would be able to, but thats only because their depth is a little more proven than ours.

 

[SumTingWong]

Yeah and alot of those misses were from outside 50 and closer to the boundary, mainly on the run under pressure. The set shots were pretty good if you watch the games

If I watch the games....no need to be a smart ass! So what were his stats from set shots then?

 

[Madtiger2006]

If I watch the games....no need to be a smart ass! So what were his stats from set shots then?

Don't know lol. But he kicked the goals that needed to be kicked

 

[RichoLedio]

So far *touches wood* our stars have been pretty durable, particularly Martin and Deledio, I'm not sure how many games the stars at clubs like Carlton, Collingwood or Geelong have missed but I'd say it ain't that many, especially not all at once. Freos last year surely couldn't happen to them again?

 

[Morro]

OK, after Friday night my rd 1 side would be,

Morris Post Grimes
Newy Rance Houli
Batch Cotch Nahas
Lids Jack White
Edwards Ty Miller

Maric Dusty Tuck

Ellis Jackson Foley
Sub: Maric (if we can upgrade him)

Webbers and Grigg very unfortunate but either could replace Ellis ( I just think the kid needs to play)

Kingy and Conca straight back in for Edwards and or White and maybe Batch, whoever doesnt perform Rd1. Kingy was very good on friday night and I didnt mind him in the centre on occasion.

I have said all along we need Tuck, both Maric's looked very good. Miller played very well and looks a little sharper.

I think Morris will become a real favorite.

I know its only NAB cup, but after Friday night this is how I would role out rd 1.

 

[Spudregus_87]

Was at the games Friday and just sat down and watched the replays, my round 1 team (Conca and King suspended but both 22 if available)

FB Morris Rance Grimes
HB Houli Post Newman
C Cotchin Foley Batchelor
HF Deledio Vickery Nahas
FF A Maric Riewoldt Derickx
R Maric Tuck Martin

I/C Grigg Jackson Ellis
Sub: Dea

Like the look of this team, plus the added bonus of Reece Conca to come back in!

the look of this team. Just need Post to stand up at CHB

Based on Friday nite Miller definitely gets a game round one. He was fantastic.

Yeah, thought his kicking and hands left a little to be desired tbh.

I still prefer Derickx to '+1'

 

[Madtiger2006]

Don't think my team has changed after round 1 nab.
Miller and A Maric have to get elevated to get a game. Hope Conca gets 2 weeks max.
Morris has to get his kicking right before he gets the gig

FB ellis rance newman
HB grimes post batchelor
C edwards cotchin conca
HF houli derrickx webberley
FF vickery reiwoldt nahas
FOLL maric martin deledio
INT foley jackson helbig griffiths

 

[SumTingWong]

If they play 3 talls in the forward line I would have thought that Derickx would definitely play round 1. Miller needs to be elevated (and I thought he was easily our best performing forward on Friday) Astbury and Griffiths appear not to be ready to play yet (in terms of fitness I mean..... unless someone can correct me) and Elton is too light on as yet.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

If they play 3 talls in the forward line I would have thought that Derickx would definitely play round 1. Miller needs to be elevated (and I thought he was easily our best performing forward on Friday) Astbury and Griffiths appear not to be ready to play yet (in terms of fitness I mean..... unless someone can correct me) and Elton is too light on as yet.

A. Maric played very well to come into contention for a promotion

 

[SumTingWong]

A. Maric played very well to come into contention for a promotion

To play key position? We have to have a spot open up on the list first....don't think there is one is there?

 

[_RT_]

With Conca now available for round 1 my side is:

B: Grimes Rance Morris

HB: Newman Post Houli

C: Conca Cotchin Batchelor

HF: Deledio Riewoldt A.Maric

F: Miller Vickery Nahas

R: I.Maric Martin Foley

I/C: Tuck Jackson Edwards

SUB: Ellis

 

[johnno77]

To play key position? We have to have a spot open up on the list first....don't think there is one is there?

My understanding is that we can promote 2 rookies prior to R1. 1 because we have no players on the veterans list and another to replace Moore who is on LT injury list.

 

[theflea]

With Conca now available for round 1 my side is:

B: Grimes Rance Morris

HB: Newman Post Houli

C: Conca Cotchin Batchelor

HF: Deledio Riewoldt A.Maric

F: Miller Vickery Nahas

R: I.Maric Martin Foley

I/C: Tuck Jackson Edwards

SUB: Ellis

snap rt

 

[Sleeping_Tiger]

My Side would be:

B: Morris Rance Grimes

HB: Newman Post Houli

C: Deledio Cotchin Batchelor

HF: Nahas Miller Conca

F: Vickery Riewoldt A.Maric

R: Maric Martin Foley

Bench: Helbig Ellis Grigg

Sub: Tuck

Emergencies: Jackson Edwards Dea

Notes:

- Miller to play for the time being until Astbury and or Griffiths are ready

- Tuck as emergency over Edwards as we are up against a big midifiled in terms of size, Tuck will be a perfect sub to come on in the second half to give a contest in the centre

- Jackson unlucky but dont believe that Tuck and Jackson can play in the same side

- Recruting of Morris and Ellis now means that with Batchleor that is 3 half back line players who can free up Newman and Deledio to the wing


- I would promote A.Maric to cover for the fact Jake King is suspended

- Webberley and Dereickx are unlucky on what they showed on friday night, but there is only so many spots.

In terms of match ups

- Morris would go to Garlett as he looks to have the pace, I would give Newman the job on Betts, has to stand up as the captain and take the most dangerous small forward

- Cotchin to go head to head with Judd, Tuck to come on late to help out

- Post to Waite, Rance to likley take Hampson

- Prefer to play Helbig and Ellis over a few of the more experienced players as they are the future

- Martn to go head to head with Murphy when starting in the centre, when Muprhy goes forward would put Batchelor on him

- Yarran is a concern will need a defensive tag on him, but not 100% sure who could play that role, possibly Matt White but I dont believe he is in our best 22

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

My Side would be:

B: Morris Rance Grimes

HB: Newman Post Houli

C: Deledio Cotchin Batchelor

HF: Nahas Miller Conca

F: Vickery Riewoldt A.Maric

R: Maric Martin Foley

Bench: Helbig Ellis Grigg

Sub: Tuck

Emergencies: Jackson Edwards Dea

Notes:

- Jackson unlucky but dont believe that Tuck and Jackson can play in the same side

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I like the side, but I think we all know that it highly unlikely that Jackson won't be in the team. (sorry for the double negative).

He is in the leadership group...he will play. Like it not, someone needs to make way! Helbig me thinks. I would also like to see Edwards as an emergency, but also feel he will likely play. Also, Ellis sub for Tucky IMO.

 

[ize_]

Jackson will play over Tuck.

 

[Put a Lids on it]

FB Morris Rance Grimes
HB Dea Post Newman
C Conca Cotchin Batchelor
HF Martin Riewoldt Nahas
FF King Vickery Derickx
R Maric Foley Deledio
INT: Ellis, Miller, Tuck
SUB: Webberley

Bam thankyou mam.

 

[Sleeping_Tiger]

Interesting to look look at our lineup from round 1 2011, the following players were picked in that match who I don't think will start this time around, (Replacements in brackets)

Connors - Behind Others - (Morris)
Graham - Maric Ahead - (Maric)
Astbury - Injured - (Post)
Morton - Traded - (A.Maric)
White - Behind Others - ( Miller?)
Mcguane - Behind Others - (Grimes)

6 changes IMO from last year

 

[partycorolla]

With Conca now available for round 1 my side is:

B: Grimes Rance Morris

HB: Newman Post Houli

C: Conca Cotchin Batchelor

HF: Deledio Riewoldt A.Maric

F: Miller Vickery Nahas

R: I.Maric Martin Foley

I/C: Tuck Jackson Edwards

SUB: Ellis

Yeah RT, I think this is the best team I've seen, possibly swap Houli and Batch but they may change depending on match-ups throughout the game.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Jackson will play over Tuck.

As he should

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

With Conca now available for round 1 my side is:

B: Grimes Rance Morris

HB: Newman Post Houli

C: Conca Cotchin Batchelor

HF: Deledio Riewoldt A.Maric

F: Miller Vickery Nahas

R: I.Maric Martin Foley

I/C: Tuck Jackson Edwards

SUB: Ellis

After Friday night I think Morris has some work to do on his kicking at AFL and Ellis may need a little more time to develop .
I'd think Helbig , Webberly and most people scape goat White are chances to play in front Ellis and/or Morris.

 

[SumTingWong]

My understanding is that we can promote 2 rookies prior to R1. 1 because we have no players on the veterans list and another to replace Moore who is on LT injury list.

Thanx for the info

 

[Stylo]

I wonder how people will react when McGuane gets named for round 1...

 

[TigerTime88]

My Side would be:

B: Morris Rance Grimes

HB: Newman Post Houli

C: Deledio Cotchin Batchelor

HF: Nahas Miller Conca

F: Vickery Riewoldt A.Maric

R: Maric Martin Foley

Bench: Helbig Ellis Grigg

Sub: Tuck

Emergencies: Jackson Edwards Dea

Notes:

- Miller to play for the time being until Astbury and or Griffiths are ready

- Tuck as emergency over Edwards as we are up against a big midifiled in terms of size, Tuck will be a perfect sub to come on in the second half to give a contest in the centre

- Jackson unlucky but dont believe that Tuck and Jackson can play in the same side

- Recruting of Morris and Ellis now means that with Batchleor that is 3 half back line players who can free up Newman and Deledio to the wing


- I would promote A.Maric to cover for the fact Jake King is suspended

- Webberley and Dereickx are unlucky on what they showed on friday night, but there is only so many spots.

In terms of match ups

- Morris would go to Garlett as he looks to have the pace, I would give Newman the job on Betts, has to stand up as the captain and take the most dangerous small forward

- Cotchin to go head to head with Judd, Tuck to come on late to help out

- Post to Waite, Rance to likley take Hampson

- Prefer to play Helbig and Ellis over a few of the more experienced players as they are the future - DISAGREE

- Martn to go head to head with Murphy when starting in the centre, when Muprhy goes forward would put Batchelor on him - Deledio to go head to head for mine

- Yarran is a concern will need a defensive tag on him, but not 100% sure who could play that role, possibly Matt White but I dont believe he is in our best 22

I agree with parts of your 22 but have a problem with your bench. Tuck was probably BOG in the second game on the weekend and is the clearance king we need to keep up with Carlton. Would much rather him playing a full game than someone like Helbig.

Personally I am not sure of the hype on Helbig I really haven't seen much from him and certainly don't think he is best 22.

My best 22 would be:

B: Morris Rance Grimes

HB: Newman Post Houli

C: Martin Cotchin Conca

HF: Nahas Miller Deledio

F: Vickery Riewoldt A.Maric (Rated his game)

R: Maric Tuck Foley

Bench:Grigg, Jackson, Edwards (to tag Yarran and play fwd pocket)

Sub: Webberley

Points of note:

1. Starting with a midfield of Tuck, Foley, Cotchin, Martin, Conca gives us plenty of strength and outside speed and skill. Deledio, Grigg and Jackson to rotate through the fwd line and onto the ball. Tuck winning as much contested ball as he does will take alot of pressure off Cotchin and Foley not to mention Martin and Lids. Carlton will have to stand up and take notice of tucks ball winning ability.

2. Brandon Ellis does not get a gig as yet as he didn't show much on the weekend. Not every first round draft pick we have deserves to step into the big time straight away. Of course this is pending next praccy games.

3. Adam Marric imo looked very dangerous the other night and would happily put him on the fwd line to rove off the packs with Nahas.

4. Millers games the other night were well above what Derickx provided and hence he gets the nod.

5. Webberley deserves the sub before any of the kids that are talked up like Dea, ellis, Arnot, helbig ect.

 

[RichoLedio]

I wonder how people will react when McGuane gets named for round 1...

I will be very unhappy if this happens