Club Focus Richmond 2023

[Mofra]

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[Red Bull]

Tigers list management is interesting.
Riewoldt and Cotchin remain on the list only to be dropped in round 4.
They sold the farm for the 2 giants as well.
Shades of hawthorn towards the end beginning to appear in the Tigers list management ??

 

[juss]

Tigers list management is interesting.
Riewoldt and Cotchin remain on the list only to be dropped in round 4.
They sold the farm for the 2 giants as well.
Shades of hawthorn towards the end beginning to appear in the Tigers list management ??

We're in trouble, there's positives and negatives though.

Riewoldt, Cotchin and other older players were always going to be managed through the season, Hardwick was open about this before the year even started so that would all be part of the plan. You'll likely see the same with Grimes, Nankervis, Prestia, Lynch, Martin, etc. at times this year too.

Yesterday we had 5 guys in the team with about 10 games or less, and 7 total with about 20 games or less. If Gibcus was fit thatd be another one that would be in too. That's 30% of the team with less than 20 games so it'd not as if we are ignoring the rebuild altogether. They are trying to rebuild on the run without bottoming out. Not sure if we can pull it off, but it'd still a bit early to make that call.

We needed to recruit a bigger inside mid, it was a massive hole. We probably didn't need both though. Should have kept the Hopper picks and I said so several times in various threads at trade time.

It's not looking great at the moment, Richmond are well known for having big turn around in the second half of the year in the Hardwick era, going all the way back to making finals from 3-10. That's the only slight hope I have.

 

[Red Bull]

When is Tarrant back ?
Might have to swing Balta forward now.
Any KPF in the reserves ?

 

[Mute Point]

When is Tarrant back ?
Might have to swing Balta forward now.
Any KPF in the reserves ?

Apparently Taz was injured in the VFL this weekend

 

[Pure_Ownage]

When is Tarrant back ?
Might have to swing Balta forward now.
Any KPF in the reserves ?

Tarrant injured in vfl.
Only bradkte as a kpf but i think he is injured too.
They might give bauer some games or possibly miller.

 

[tiger_tough]

I hate the comparisons to hawks. They avoided the draft like the plague when they were contending, we have not. We took 5 picks inside 30 two years ago and at least a couple of youngsters every other year. Hawks cupboard was bare outside their stars, ours isn't.

 

[tiger_tough]

When is Tarrant back ?
Might have to swing Balta forward now.
Any KPF in the reserves ?

Apparently Taz was injured in the VFL this weekend

Yep injured his hip in his 2nd game back.

Riewoldt will come straight back in as henwas always going to even without lynch injury/suspension.

Don't think we'll bring in another key forward outside of that. Potentially Miller to play 2nd ruck if we want to leave Ryan at FF all game

Tarrant injured in vfl.
Only bradkte as a kpf but i think he is injured too.
They might give bauer some games or possibly miller.

Bradtke is a mile off. Wouldn't have cone in anyway and don't think Bauer is ready either.

Cumberland can play tall.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yep injured his hip in his 2nd game back.

Riewoldt will come straight back in as henwas always going to even without lynch injury/suspension.

Don't think we'll bring in another key forward outside of that. Potentially Miller to play 2nd ruck if we want to leave Ryan at FF all game


Bradtke is a mile off. Wouldn't have cone in anyway and don't think Bauer is ready either.

Cumberland can play tall.

Thats interesting. With nankervis out too you will be stretched thin for talls until gibcus and soldo are back.

 

[Red Bull]

I hate the comparisons to hawks. They avoided the draft like the plague when they were contending, we have not. We took 5 picks inside 30 two years ago and at least a couple of youngsters every other year. Hawks cupboard was bare outside their stars, ours isn't.

Agreed the Tigers have paid the draft more respect than hawthorn did.
The comparisons however probably stem from some similarities between the two clubs.

Both clubs coming off premiership runs.
Naturally, both lists aging but both clubs keen to challenge again.
Both clubs trade significant draft capital for established players.

The system eventually caught up with hawthorn as it is designed to do.
Time will tell with the tigers.

Geelong are a different story with unique circumstances, but that’s for another thread …

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Jacob Hopper

22

Jacob Hopper

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.0

5star

K

9.9

4star

HB

11.1

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

4.3

5star

D

17.6

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

8.9

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

18.6

5star

K

8.4

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.4

5star

turns 27 before the start of next season. Pretty big price to give up their first round pick in what looks like a season that is ruined/decimated by injury.

 

[juss]

Jacob Hopper turns 27 before the start of next season. Pretty big price to give up their first round pick in what looks like a season that is ruined/decimated by injury.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
They didn't know we'd be down to only a few talls by round 4 when they made the trade though. If they extrapolate from last season we underachieved and it wasn't unreasonable to have a crack by addressing our main weakness.

The stars haven't aligned for us this season, very disrupted 22 and now really challenged with our big guys unavailable.

Big opportunity for Ben Miller who I rate, he will get an opportunity to play ruck and forward rotation with Samson Ryan, with Nank and Lynch out for extended periods, it will fast track their development. Looking forward to that part even if the wins dry up.

Depending on how the year goes, mainly over the next 6 weeks, the focus might change to the future quicker than expected.

 

[branedotorg]

Good systems might see them contend for the next few seasons despite the obvious generational challenge

 

[tiger_tough]

Thats interesting. With nankervis out too you will be stretched thin for talls until gibcus and soldo are back.

Shouldn't be too bad. Miller is ready to go. Ryan decent 2nd ruck.

Agreed the Tigers have paid the draft more respect than hawthorn did.
The comparisons however probably stem from some similarities between the two clubs.

Both clubs coming off premiership runs.
Naturally, both lists aging but both clubs keen to challenge again.
Both clubs trade significant draft capital for established players.

The system eventually caught up with hawthorn as it is designed to do.
Time will tell with the tigers.

Geelong are a different story with unique circumstances, but that’s for another thread …

Yeah we shall see. Gibcus, Clarke, Rioli, Sonsie, Young, Ralphsmith and Cumberland have all played less than 20 games and are all very promising IMO. Plus there's a few promising kids yet to debut.

Jacob Hopper turns 27 before the start of next season. Pretty big price to give up their first round pick in what looks like a season that is ruined/decimated by injury.

In his prime for the refresh then. Nice.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Shouldn't be too bad. Miller is ready to go. Ryan decent 2nd ruck.

Yeah we shall see. Gibcus, Clarke, Rioli, Sonsie, Young, Ralphsmith and Cumberland have all played less than 20 games and are all very promising IMO. Plus there's a few promising kids yet to debut.

In his prime for the refresh then. Nice.

Dusty, Jack, Grimes, Cotchin etc will all be retired by the time he turns 29.you have no other up and coming mid field types that's going to help fill that void.

Seems to me the main reason you traded for Hopper was out of some kind of weird cold war Richmond has with Geelong ..

 

[tiger_tough]

Dusty, Jack, Grimes, Cotchin etc will all be retired by the time he turns 29.you have no other up and coming mid field types that's going to help fill that void.

Seems to me the main reason you traded for Hopper was out of some kind of weird cold war Richmond has with Geelong ..

Sonsie will help. Judson Clarke will help. All those kids mentioned will help. Taranto and Hopper have at least 6 years of prime football left each.

We were into Hopper for 2 years. Do you actually think we gave a 7 year contract to a bloke simply to outbid Geelong?

 

[mrposhman]

Agreed the Tigers have paid the draft more respect than hawthorn did.
The comparisons however probably stem from some similarities between the two clubs.

Both clubs coming off premiership runs.
Naturally, both lists aging but both clubs keen to challenge again.
Both clubs trade significant draft capital for established players.

The system eventually caught up with hawthorn as it is designed to do.
Time will tell with the tigers.

Geelong are a different story with unique circumstances, but that’s for another thread …

There are similarities but as you have agreed to, we have actually paid the draft a lot more respect than Hawthorn.

Defensively we are still set up well for the future with key tall backs in Balta (23), Gibcus (20) and Young (24) who has looked good since we brought him in from our VFL program. Add them to the smalls in Dan Rioli (25) and Baker (25) and defensively we are relatively sound. The mid size is where we probably look a bit more vulnerable with Vlastuin and Broad but thats why we drafted Tom Brown at 17 in 2021.

Midfield and tall forwards were our biggest issue, we've addressed the midfield with Hopper and Taranto, but we still need to address a replacement for Jack (which is where I'm hoping FA comes in). Our midfield doesn't look too bad when you look at Hopper, Taranto, Sonsie, Graham, Short and Bolton all in their mid 20's.

Things are never as good as they appear or as bad as they appear and we are in that situation of it looking bleaker than what it really is. Sure there is a transition in play, but I think we have more depth than some give us credit for.

 

[MisterMarcus]

If this turns out to be a development/mini-rebuild type year for Richmond due to injuries and age, then so be it. Shizen happens.

But from a Draft/Trading point of view, the biggest issue is they've given away their first rounder this year as part of the Hopper deal.

That F1 + 30 would start looking like a very good deal for GWS (and a bad one for Richmond) if that F1 ended up being a Top 5-10 pick.

 

[HBFlanker]

Giving Robbie Tarrant

6

Robbie Tarrant

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.8

4star

MG

284.7

4star

D

15.1

4star

K

11.9

5star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

359.3

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

a two year deal was one of the more bizarre decisions in recent times.

They absolutely destroyed us in that trade but giving him two years has hurt them big time.

 

[Jeremias]

Giving Robbie Tarrant a two year deal was one of the more bizarre decisions in recent times.

They absolutely destroyed us in that trade but giving him two years has hurt them big time.

Has it?

Cost them a list spot, but I can’t imagine he’s on so much $ that it has restricted their movements to any great degree.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Have Richmond got any slots available in the Mid Season draft and if so, any particular type they need ?

 

[tiger_tough]

Giving Robbie Tarrant a two year deal was one of the more bizarre decisions in recent times.

They absolutely destroyed us in that trade but giving him two years has hurt them big time.

How has it hurt big time? He'd be on bugger all money and didn't stop us from executing trades we wanted last year. Tarrant was brought in purely as a short term like for like replacement for David Astbury who retired a year or two earlier than the club had hoped. He was good last year when we needed him and his absence this year has meant that Tylar Young has got a crack and is looking really promising so it's worked out well for us.

Have Richmond got any slots available in the Mid Season draft and if so, any particular type they need ?

At least one due to the Castagna retirement. I have a feeling Tarrant may pull the pin to free up a spot as well if there is someone else available that we like. Like Caddy and Grigg have both done in the past.

I think we need a skillful small forward who can apply pressure and tackle first and foremost.

 

[HBFlanker]

Has it?

Cost them a list spot, but I can’t imagine he’s on so much $ that it has restricted their movements to any great degree.

Just adds to the exodus of this year though.

Losing Tarrant, Riewoldt, Cotchin and potentially Martin in the one year is a heap of experience.

 

[tiger_tough]

Just adds to the exodus of this year though.

Losing Tarrant, Riewoldt, Cotchin and potentially Martin in the one year is a heap of experience.

That matters even less now that he's not playing. We're at a point now here we need to pump games into some kids and Tarrant has already been replaced.

Martin is contracted for another year.

 

[Jeremias]

Just adds to the exodus of this year though.

Losing Tarrant, Riewoldt, Cotchin and potentially Martin in the one year is a heap of experience.

Hardly an exodus. Most of those certainly wouldn’t be a surprise. It’s not as though the Tigers wouldn’t be prepared for it.