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Killer Power said:
I have no idea what this rating list even means.
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Since 2013, he is the third-worst converter among the 50 players who have taken the most shots at goal. That stat takes into account the difficulty of the attempt.

Only Collingwood's Chris Mayne and Port Adelaide's Robbie Gray have been worse.
 
Killer Power said:
Thanks. What does the % refer to though?
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No idea, was just quoting from the article.

Guess they say he misses more than he should based on the difficulty of the kick
i.e. on goals he should kick 50% of the time, he makes 44% - thus he is -6%

I have no idea
 

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philthy05 said:
I have a lot more tolerance for someone like Robbie who creates chances from nothing , than a player who relies on their team to create scoring opportunities for them and then **** it up.

Ain't no one like Robbie. He is a football wizard.
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Yep, it's the only area of his game that needs attention: otherwise he's a bloody genius.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Got a link so we can work out what it all means?
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-02/oh-no-joe-big-bomber-records-careerworst-game

Based on AFL Players Ratings

Under the Player Ratings formula, those who kick behinds are generally penalised because unless their shot is incredibly difficult, they are expected to have slotted the goal. Daniher's inability to capitalise on so many gettable opportunities hurt his team.
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Inaccuracy has been a constant problem for the left-footer. Since 2013, he is the third-worst converter among the 50 players who have taken the most shots at goal. That stat takes into account the difficulty of the attempt.
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Confirms my long held view over many seasons not just the Carlton game, that Robbie misses too many easy set shot goals when he marks the ball 30m out basically straight out in front or within a 45 degree angle. He also has a bad habit of doing checkies on the run from about 20m out usually after getting out of a a tight situation and missing, when a simple left foot snap would have been a goal.

Its his poor goal conversion rate that holds me back from calling him a truly great player. Great players get the basic stuff right 95+ times out of 100. He is a freak in respect to his ability to find the ball and get out of tight situations and that's why he racks up elite stats and numbers but he can't do the most basic of things, kick goals from 30m out, very well. He probably has a below average set shot on goal conversion rate. The one time he absolutely nailed his set shots was the 3rd quarter of the final v Freo at Subi in 2014, but that was a rare ocassion for Robbie. I don't know if he just doesn't concentrate hard enough or needs the adrenaline of a big finals pressure to nail those set shots but I have very little confidence he will kick a goal when he has a relatively easy set shot on goal.
 

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El_Scorcho said:
IMO a lot of Robbie's bad goalkicking is because he takes low percentage shots when he's being tackled or out of position or whatever.

Do we actually have his set shot accuracy as a stat by itself?
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I think that is what the rating above is. Set shots and their difficulty added together to form a rating
 
Robbie could take a leaf out of Jay Schulz's book, Jay had an accuracy of 65.74% over his career and 69.75% when he was playing for Port. And a lot of them were on quite an angle. I remember that one he kicked to win Dom Cassisi's last game, it was deep in the pocket but I don't think too many people there were worried about him kicking it.
Schulz always took a long run and made sure he was moving in the right direction. Nearly all easy shots are missed by the kicker running to somewhere other than the middle of the goal. Maybe Robbie gets the impression that any wind that is on the ground is going to affect his shot more than it actually does.
 

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El_Scorcho said:
IMO a lot of Robbie's bad goalkicking is because he takes low percentage shots when he's being tackled or out of position or whatever.

Do we actually have his set shot accuracy as a stat by itself?
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His set shot kicking is poor and has been since 2007. He can barely kick it over 40m but that isn't the problem. Its the 25m to 30m set shots from marks and frees on bugger all angles that he just doesn't nail often enough. He had 3 in a row from basically the same spot In the 3rd quarter agains Carlton and fluffed them all.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Confirms my long held view over many seasons not just the Carlton game, that Robbie misses too many easy set shot goals when he marks the ball 30m out basically straight out in front or within a 45 degree angle. He also has a bad habit of doing checkies on the run from about 20m out usually after getting out of a a tight situation and missing, when a simple left foot snap would have been a goal.

Its his poor goal conversion rate that holds me back from calling him a truly great player. Great players get the basic stuff right 95+ times out of 100. He is a freak in respect to his ability to find the ball and get out of tight situations and that's why he racks up elite stats and numbers but he can't do the most basic of things, kick goals from 30m out, very well. He probably has a below average set shot on goal conversion rate. The one time he absolutely nailed his set shots was the 3rd quarter of the final v Freo at Subi in 2014, but that was a rare ocassion for Robbie. I don't know if he just doesn't concentrate hard enough or needs the adrenaline of a big finals pressure to nail those set shots but I have very little confidence he will kick a goal when he has a relatively easy set shot on goal.
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but

a. the stats don't take into account the fact he is being battered and bruised as our leading contested ball mid over that period, a lot of the time carrying the team on his back, and is only going forward when he is completely gassed.
and
b. his career conversion rate is still better than Wanganeen, Tredrea, and the only available stats for Russell Ebert say he kicked 15 goals 17 behinds playing for North Melb. So...
 
TeeKray said:
The problem with his set shots is that he kicks the ball like Kane Cornes - little dinky pokes with no penetration. We need a specialist goal kicking coach at the club to help guys improve their set shot techniques.
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Poking at the ball from 15-40m out to try and steer the ball thru is the most bloody frustrating thing to watch our players do and Robbie and Hoff are the worse 2 and have been doing it since they debuted together in 2007.

I've said it before but Ken and or another coaches should pull out the film of Gary Ablett Snr from the 1994 PF to show our players how to kick for goal. The scores were tied, siren gone and Ablett just has to kick a score to get Geelong into the GF. He was 12m out and he could have poked thru a point but he went back and set himself to kick the ball as if he had to kick the ball from 40+ m out to win the game. Went thru his normal routine and he kicked thru the footy like a normal long range set shot for goal.
 
Powerade 08 said:
but

a. the stats don't take into account the fact he is being battered and bruised as our leading contested ball mid over that period, a lot of the time carrying the team on his back, and is only going forward when he is completely gassed.
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b. his career conversion rate is still better than Wanganeen, Tredrea, and the only available stats for Russell Ebert say he kicked 15 goals 17 behinds playing for North Melb. So...
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Bloody Excuses. 3 shots from 30m straight in front in one quarter wasn't playing on the ball and can't kick them. Not good enough. There was no mud, no water logged ball, no rain, no wind, so no excuses.
 

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