Robert Walls says Wallace for the Crows.

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Craig's perceived strength is his ability to develop youngsters and thats why WC were very keen on him.

Can't recall this be a strenght of his in his stint at Norwood.

Also, what does this have to do with him being better at trading & drafting than Wallace...

 

[Riddler]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Who knows what runs through the minds of the boys' club?

As long as the members keep shelling out cash and profits are high I don't think onfield success means that much to them - if it did we wouldn't have had to suffer so much mediocrity for so long.

What really sh1tted me about that pish media release the club circulated when sending the members the latest edition of Crowing was how Trigg mentioned "the fadeouts of the past few seasons" - if they were that unhappy why not make a stiff decision, stick the knife in, twist it, and make changes while there was still hope and time (ie in the last offseason)?

I've seen algae more attractive than our immediate future.

Here, Here! Totally Agree

 

[mymansyd]

Wallace is the only available experienced coach worth getting.

He's our man. Let's get him. End of story.

Walls agrees, Cornes agrees. Let's hope the appointment committee or whatever the hell they're called agrees.

AFC need fresh blood and a big-broom through the entire Footy department. We need someone to do a 'Blighty' a la 1997.

Unfortunately, the vibes I'm getting are that the AFC will give the job to Craig, providing Crows are 'competitive' in the last 9 rounds.

What a cop out, that would be!

By appointing Craig, does that mean that the rest of the current coaching panel will be there in 2005 as well? Same old, same old?

Then what the hell would have changed. Aside from no-Ayres, nothing. The boys club at the AFC would be safe and we'd be on the road to f-----g nowhere again.

Having said all this, I'm willing to admit I was wrong, particularly if in the last 9 rounds, Craig:

1) Gets us to play down the middle
2) Plays Burton in the forward line
3) Stops the stupid bench rotation of our best midfielders, particularly during close matches.
4) Stops picking duds with no future (Doughty, Shirley)
5) Tries something different at full-back, other than the hopelessly outsized Bassett
6) At selection, if in doubt, goes with youth

and most importantly...

7) Gets our fellas to enjoy their footy again

That's my last word on this issue till the end of round 22. Good luck to Craig, but I still favour that broom!

 

[GrandfinalGurus]

My main concern in all this is, over the rest of the season we will end up winning more games than losing, which will give us that "warm and fuzzy"feeling on the inside. The usual rhetoric will be rolled out about how good our juniors are developing, and to take the broom thru the entire football dept would be too unsettling, thus taking the pressure off the Board of the AFC to make the serious changes. The minimum amount of changes will be made, because all the problems already exsisting inside the football dept. of the club will have been masked over! Most of us know the writing is on the wall, and as fellow members of the AFC we need to keep the pressure on in forums like this, to make sure the Board of the AFC take notice!! The joke will be on us if the minimum happens!!!

 

[mymansyd]

Originally posted by GrandfinalGurus
My main concern in all this is, over the rest of the season we will end up winning more games than losing, which will give us that "warm and fuzzy"feeling on the inside. The usual rhetoric will be rolled out about how good our juniors are developing, and to take the broom thru the entire football dept would be too unsettling, thus taking the pressure off the Board of the AFC to make the serious changes. The minimum amount of changes will be made, because all the problems already exsisting inside the football dept. of the club will have been masked over! Most of us know the writing is on the wall, and as fellow members of the AFC we need to keep the pressure on in forums like this, to make sure the Board of the AFC take notice!! The joke will be on us if the minimum happens!!!

Rock n' Roll. Couldn't agree more!

 

[ant]

If we want Wallace badly enough, we can get him. But do we? And will we settle for Craig? That's the only question.

With our long-term injuries to key players I'd say in a round-about way the future is looking bright, the draw is hard, lots of young guys will be playing, our draft pick will get higher after every round and hopefully, the chances of Craig becoming coach next year will lessen with every loss.

I'm excited about the rest of the season!

 

[jc67]

Originally posted by ant
the chances of Craig becoming coach next year will lessen with every loss.

Wrong! infact the oppisate is true

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by ant
If we want Wallace badly enough, we can get him. But do we? And will we settle for Craig? That's the only question.

With our long-term injuries to key players I'd say in a round-about way the future is looking bright, the draw is hard, lots of young guys will be playing, our draft pick will get higher after every round and hopefully, the chances of Craig becoming coach next year will lessen with every loss.

I'm excited about the rest of the season!

Craig will not be assessed on win loss ratio alone and nor should he. When you are rebuilding your won-loss ratio is irrelevant. Even if we lost every game for the remainder of the season Craig would still keep his job if he does the other more important things and show the board that he is the right man for rebuilding.

People seem to think that win-loss ratio will determine Craig's future. That cannot be further from the truth.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Craig will not be assessed on win loss ratio alone and nor should he. When you are rebuilding your won-loss ratio is irrelevant. Even if we lost every game for the remainder of the season Craig would still keep his job if he does the other more important things and show the board that he is the right man for rebuilding.

People seem to think that win-loss ratio will determine Craig's future. That cannot be further from the truth.

I said I wouldnt discuss coaching candidates again but generally speaking:
If the incumbant coach loses the public confidence through poor results, and a strong historical candidate is overlooked consequently, the backlash in smalltown will be enormous.

Inhouse I agree with your comments, but I believe public acceptance of coach will be taken into account.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
I said I wouldnt discuss coaching candidates again but generally speaking:
If the incumbant coach loses the public confidence through poor results, and a strong historical candidate is overlooked consequently, the backlash in smalltown will be enormous.

Inhouse I agree with your comments, but I believe public acceptance of coach will be taken into account.

Lets just say that listening to talkback radio lately I have come to a conclusion that there will be greater backlash if Craig is not signed up for next year. I have found it surprising that a lot of people have come out and said that he should be signed up now.

Also club has copped an enourmous backlash from the supporters for getting rid of Ayres. I would say 90% of callers to 5AA have been against Ayres sacking. As if you say the club will take supporters into account then they would probably alienate a few supporters by not reapponting Craig.

I really don't want to debate this again because ut has been flogged to death but you would be surprised by the a) the backlash club coppoed when they sacked Ayres and b) the support that Craig has received from the public before the ball is even bounced.

I know you will say tha tthe 2 contradict but once the dust has settled about hte whole Ayres drama, majority of the public have thrown their support behind Craig.

Time will tell who gets the job and whether or not they were the right choice. I would just love us to appoint someone who will be there for the long run.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Lets just say that listening to talkback radio lately I have come to a conclusion that there will be greater backlash if Craig is not signed up for next year. I have found it surprising that a lot of people have come out and said that he should be signed up now.

How long have you been posting on this board?
You surely have seen players idolised one week, ripped to shreds the next, based on performance.

You can't tell me that once the honeymoon period is over, those that are supporters currently, what will their thoughts be if we get beaten by 10 goals in every remaining game

The AFC would be thrashed for appointing him on that basis.
So as much as you say performances won't be the "deciding factor" they most certainly will - and they shouldn't!

He could come out and win 8 of 9, that doesn't mean he's a good coach. As I have said so many teams have been sucked in by coaching results by interim coaches, only to regret their decision.

 

[ant]

That's right Wayne's World, my point exactly. Public opinion will weigh heavily, we saw that with Paul Roos at Sydney, if Craigy is mildly successful there's a better than even money chance he'll get the gig next season.

If we travel poorly, a couple of moves don't quite come off, the public backlash will be strong and Craig will not be given the fulltime job IMO, regardless of your thoughts Stiffy and JC.

 

[Stiffy_18]

See I think you are all missing the point. As things stand now we only have 28 players to choose from and most of those 28 are inexperienced kids or 2nd tier players. If Craig can get those kids to be competative (ie not getting blown off the park every game) then I think he has got the job. No supporter in their rigt mind would expect a side full of youngsters to go out and win but if we lose with the team giving it their all then the public will be very forgiving.

I think Ayres scenario suggest this. Despite our worst start to the season in the history of the club, despite players not giving it their all in some games the public was still very much behind Ayres. When Ayres got sacked the outcry from supporters IMHO was very surprising. They thought it wasn't Gary's fault that we are 4-9.

What I am saying is that majority of the supporters realise that the list is not good enough and as such will need a major overhaul. No supporter expects us to win with majority of kids in the side. In fact I would say that a lot of us expected blowout against the doggies. IF with that sort of side we can be competative without winning a game, the supporters will not call for Craig's head.

If on the other hand we get belted by 10 goals week in week out Craig is a deadman walking.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

With respect you give the average supporter way too much credit.

Its a game based on emotion not logic.

 

[ant]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
With respect you give the average supporter way too much credit.

Especially the majority of Crows' supporters.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Lets just say that listening to talkback radio lately I have come to a conclusion that there will be greater backlash if Craig is not signed up for next year. I have found it surprising that a lot of people have come out and said that he should be signed up now.

Also club has copped an enourmous backlash from the supporters for getting rid of Ayres. I would say 90% of callers to 5AA have been against Ayres sacking. As if you say the club will take supporters into account then they would probably alienate a few supporters by not reapponting Craig.

The day the club make their decisions based on callback supporters we are in real strife as a large percentage are emotional nutters. Also, they don't necessarily reflect the opinions of the majority.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
The day the club make their decisions based on callback supporters we are in real strife as a large percentage are emotional nutters. Also, they don't necessarily reflect the opinions of the majority.

The voice of sanity!!

Have you listened to those losers that have rung up in response to Cornes's constant bleatings and urgings??

Emotional nutters is a very good term for them, as there is no logic associated with this small band of know nothings, who conveniently ignore all the facts.

The silent majority know that the club made the right call, and handled it professionally. The media Australia-wide acknowledge that, and they love to bag Adelaide where possible.

Certainly the club isn't going to make it's coaching decisions based on what a few vocal w*nkers might call for on the radio.

Just watching Roo on Talking Footy and he made the point that Craig is only one of the many candidates that the AFC will look at.

My optimism is rising!!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Just watching Roo on Talking Footy and he made the point that Craig is only one of the many candidates that the AFC will look at.

I must say tonight's Talking Footy is one of the best footy shows I have seen. They covered multitude of things. They talked about Richmond's coaching job. Spoke to Roo and one thing I found most interesting is their discussion on the draft. I must say from the limited footage of possible top 3 draftees, Buddy Franklin looks very impressive. That Vic Counrty kid appears to be beautifully balanced, and a good size.

I am looking forward to draft (unless we trade away our picks )

 

[jc67]

Sheedy 's personality brings the show to life again

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by jc67
Sheedy 's personality brings the show to life again

It did, didn't it.

Same as Stiffy. I really enjoyed those footages of the early favourites for the top 3 draft picks.

Buddy Franklin will be a good get for whoever gets him.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by jc67
Sheedy 's personality brings the show to life again

Sheeds is great. Wouldn't it be great if we could have a coach like Sheeds. I think it speaks volumes that he has been a coach of the same club for SO long. Sheeds is a freak.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Sheeds is great. Wouldn't it be great if we could have a coach like Sheeds. I think it speaks volumes that he has been a coach of the same club for SO long. Sheeds is a freak.

He rates Robert Shaw like you wouldn't believe as well

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by dyertribe
He rates Robert Shaw like you wouldn't believe as well

Yeah, but not as a senior coach!!

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by macca23
Yeah, but not as a senior coach!!

If he took over at the Lions I doubt he'd be upset