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Jonesi said:
I know what you're saying but if we can get a better deal and hold onto our 2nd rounder than that would be sensational. Freo would much rather get something for nothing and if he nominates us then we hold more cards than they do. Personally I'd like to see us keep pick 24 and look at our 3rd rounder plus a player. He hasn't shown enough yet and we can always use another decent pick in a deep draft.
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Yeah I know what you are saying but I would like to be fair. I know it would be nice to keep #24 and give Freo a lower round pick. but sometimes it's good to be fair. Either way if we get him or not the draft is deep and I am sure we will get some good young stars.
 
Alpha1 said:
Yeah I know what you are saying but I would like to be fair. I know it would be nice to keep #24 and give Freo a lower round pick. but sometimes it's good to be fair. Either way if we get him or not the draft is deep and I am sure we will get some good young stars.
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Yeah fair point. I'll be interested to see how it all plays out. I wonder how highly the Blues think of him.
 
I think we will have a go, and if we do we will offer #24. I don't think Melbourne can offer higher than #24? Unless they give #1 and thats not going to happen.
 
I don't want Warnock if it costs us pick 24.

Recruting another young ruckman is a strange move when we will have three rucks competing for the number one and two spot three years from now. Hampson has been re-signed for three years and his parents have moved down here from Queensland, so I don't see Carlton trading him back him anytime soon.

Bizarre list management when we need to find a young KPP more than a young ruckman.

Pick 24 should be kept in case a good tall or midfielder falls through.

Would rather eat my words and draft Jeff White or another old timer on a one year deal.
 

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Alpha1 said:
I think we will have a go, and if we do we will offer #24. I don't think Melbourne can offer higher than #24? Unless they give #1 and thats not going to happen.
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Melbourne will have 3 picks before us in the ND, including pick 1.

One would have to say they are the front runner for Warnock, especially as they have pick 1 in the PSD.

I'd offer pick 24. If Melbourne decide to trump that, so be it - let them have him.
 
rgauci said:
Stop underselling him.

We might get an AFL quality HBF with that pick. Maybe. If they secure him, their getting a career of a lead ruckman. They've even missed the development years.

If you were to take a ruckman in the draft at pick 24. Chances are he wouldn't go as well as Warnock. Thats why i said top 5 pick. Because thats what it would take to secure Vickery. Who on reputation may be as good.

In the last 5 drafts i could only think of 2 or 3 ruckman who have made a bigger impact and have as much potential as him.
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Pick Vickery at three and be done with it.
 
Jeremias said:
Melbourne will have 3 picks before us in the ND, including pick 1.

One would have to say they are the front runner for Warnock, especially as they have pick 1 in the PSD.

I'd offer pick 24. If Melbourne decide to trump that, so be it - let them have him.
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Yep, agree. A lot's going to depend on where he actually wants to play. The Dees "powerpoint presentation" was just amateurish and embarrassing. Everyone knows they probably won't exist in 2 years, or be relocated interstate - the last thing he wants! IF Swann and Icke want him, they would have stitched the deal up by now, and will spend the next several weeks toying with the media. :)
 
Postman_Pav said:
You guys have Kreuzer and Hampson...

what am I missing here?
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You are missing the fact that we've been trying to form a gameplan that includes 3 ruckmen. This year it was Cloke, Kreuzer and Hampson.

As much as I like Cloke as a forward, I'd prefer we recruit Warnock and push Kreuzer to a more permanent forward role, with some stints in the ruck and around the ground.

In 3 years time, a ruck trio of Warnock as a main ruck, Kreuzer up forward, and Hampson coming off the bench would be exceptional.
 
Jeremias said:
Offer them pick 24, nothing more, nothing less.

If they take it, good, we'll gladly take Robbie for that pick.

If they don't, that's fine too, we're happy to keep the pick and either use it on a youngster in the draft, or trade it away as part of a different deal.

I doubt they'll get too many better offers than pick 24 anyway, Melbourne won't offer anything higher than that as they know they'll be in with a shot of getting him for nothing.
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Well said. I agree completely.

Tbh, if we got him, i'd be absolutely over the moon. I'd love to have him at our club thats for sure! Having said that though, i honestly think he'll be a Melbourne boy. He'll go play with his brother.

Jeremias said:
You are missing the fact that we've been trying to form a gameplan that includes 3 ruckmen. This year it was Cloke, Kreuzer and Hampson.

As much as I like Cloke as a forward, I'd prefer we recruit Warnock and push Kreuzer to a more permanent forward role, with some stints in the ruck and around the ground.

In 3 years time, a ruck trio of Warnock as a main ruck, Kreuzer up forward, and Hampson coming off the bench would be exceptional.
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Yep. I'm not sure of speed, but even if they broke even in terms of speed wise (mind you, i think Warnock is quicker) Warnock has an advantage over Cloke in the fact that he'd actually be able to get the ball down to our mids in the ruck contests more often than not due to his size.
 
Jeremias said:
You are missing the fact that we've been trying to form a gameplan that includes 3 ruckmen. This year it was Cloke, Kreuzer and Hampson.

As much as I like Cloke as a forward, I'd prefer we recruit Warnock and push Kreuzer to a more permanent forward role, with some stints in the ruck and around the ground.

In 3 years time, a ruck trio of Warnock as a main ruck, Kreuzer up forward, and Hampson coming off the bench would be exceptional.
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Each to their own but playing 3 rucks in the modern game is silly if you ask me.

From an outsiders point of view I thought you were playing 3 rucks because
(a) Cloke is average and Kreuzer/Hampson are young, and
(b) Because you dont really have many other tall forward options bar Fev.

I'd say in an ideal world, when Kreuzer and Hampson are 23/24 they can be the 2 rucks. And hopefully by then you'll have found another tall forward or 2.

Krezuer is OK as a forward but not sure about him down there long term, his pace and agility are OK as a ruck but not so much as a forward. His strenghts are better utilised as a ruck without doubt IMO.
 

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Postman_Pav said:
Each to their own but playing 3 rucks in the modern game is silly if you ask me.

From an outsiders point of view I thought you were playing 3 rucks because
(a) Cloke is average and Kreuzer/Hampson are young, and
(b) Because you dont really have many other tall forward options bar Fev.

I'd say in an ideal world, when Kreuzer and Hampson are 23/24 they can be the 2 rucks. And hopefully by then you'll have found another tall forward or 2.
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yeah i agree. Thats why i wouldnt give up 24, unless we plan to send hampson to gold coast in a year or two or something crazy like that. In 2 years i see kreuzer and hammer as the rucks with cloke as their backup. Warnock is a good prospect however.

Regarding 3 rucks playing, i dont like it. We need a decent mobile forward target....see pick 6
 
Melbourne have more to offer than we do but I'm not sure Freo are going to want to deal with them.

My offer...

Andrew Carrazzo and 2nd Round Pick (Carl) to Fremantle

Warnock and 3rd Round Pick (Freo) to Carlton
 
OZBomb said:
Melbourne have more to offer than we do but I'm not sure Freo are going to want to deal with them.

My offer...

Andrew Carrazzo and 2nd Round Pick (Carl) to Fremantle

Warnock and 3rd Round Pick (Freo) to Carlton
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Sorry fellas but warnock has already told melbourne yes,they have agreed on a deal and youll find hell wear 13 in 2009.My source is inside the club.
 
Blue Dimension said:
Well said. I agree completely.

Tbh, if we got him, i'd be absolutely over the moon. I'd love to have him at our club thats for sure! Having said that though, i honestly think he'll be a Melbourne boy. He'll go play with his brother.



Yep. I'm not sure of speed, but even if they broke even in terms of speed wise (mind you, i think Warnock is quicker) Warnock has an advantage over Cloke in the fact that he'd actually be able to get the ball down to our mids in the ruck contests more often than not due to his size.
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Wasn't Warnock quoted as saying Carlton was his preferred club if heading back to Melbourne?:confused:
 
Gilly1972 said:
Why sell the farm for him when he can walk into the PSD for zip?

I wouldn't even be offering up pick #24 for him. Perhaps #40 and a fringe player, take it or leave it.
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Why burn our bridges though?

Pick #40 for Warnock would be an insult - hell, if we had him, there's no way known I'd be happy with #24 for him. Given the circumstances, Freo might have to take that and we'd likely be getting the better out of the deal.
 

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OZBomb said:
Melbourne have more to offer than we do but I'm not sure Freo are going to want to deal with them.

My offer...

Andrew Carrazzo and 2nd Round Pick (Carl) to Fremantle

Warnock and 3rd Round Pick (Freo) to Carlton
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The bottom line is Melbourne really do not have to offer fremantle anything if Warnock nominates them as his preferred club he can be picked up in the pre-season with their no.1 pick for nothing.

As THE GENERAL stated Carlton should be focussing on finding some key forwards, not sure how we can manage four ruckman, if the Blues really want him, l would not be giving away our 2nd pick for a unproven player.
 
mac25 said:
The bottom line is Melbourne really do not have to offer fremantle anything if Warnock nominates them as his preferred club he can be picked up in the pre-season with their no.1 pick for nothing.

As THE GENERAL stated Carlton should be focussing on finding some key forwards, not sure how we can manage four ruckman, if the Blues really want him, l would not be giving away our 2nd pick for a unproven player.
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he's shown he can play at the level so pick 24 is reasonable. if we use pick 24 on a youngster in the draft aren't they unproven?
 
There's no doubting now that we want him, now it's if we can get him. Pick 6 is outrageous but 24 is reasonable. I would love to see him in the blue next year the navy blue that is.

He's stats for the past 2 season have been fairly reasonable but with another solid preseason and a midfield like ours he could really be a valuable asset for the club.

When the tallest player on the list is Aisake at 201, and the norm for the the rest of the league is recruiting players 205plus Standing at 206 he'll be a good ruckmen for the next decade.
 

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