Analysis Rolling All-Australian team for 2021

[Thrawn]

Lance Whitnall at CHF, after he rolls down the hill and takes out the selectors and the rest of the AA team.

 

[Thrawn]

That's a very good point you make tbh.

In 2012, Jack Riewoldt won the Coleman but didn't make the AA side. So it's not out of the question for McKay to miss out this year.

Riewoldt got the Coleman basically at the last moment, the difference between 1st and 2nd/3rd was one goal.

McKay right now, is in front by nine goals. The comparisons between him and 2012 are stupid.

That buffer is quite big considering how many goals he's kicked so far.

 

[raskolnikov]

I think Merrett is now in front of Parish and should be the one in the team if only one is picked.

 

[Bipolar Bear]

I think Merrett is now in front of Parish and should be the one in the team if only one is picked.

Agreed completely.
Parish is a big game player, can go missing a bit.
We'll see if his consistency is better next year.
Merrett is as consistent as they come.

 

[00Stinger]

Agreed completely.
Parish is a big game player, can go missing a bit.
We'll see if his consistency is better next year.
Merrett is as consistent as they come.

Without sounding like a smart ass what big games has Parish played in?

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[Happy Mastenator]

FB: Lever Weitering Rich

HB: Stewart Andrews Dale

C: Walsh Wines Macrae

HF: Greene Walker Petracca

FF: Papley McKay Hawkins

FOLL: Gawn Bontempelli(C) Oliver

INT: Fritsch Dawson Parish Miller

LOL. Fritsch is nowhere near the team.

 

[LittleG]

Without sounding like a smart ass what big games has Parish played in?

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Parish plays a big game (against sh!t teams). Is that close enough?

 

[NonPhixion]

LOL. Fritsch is nowhere near the team.

9th in the Coleman with only key forwards ahead of him. I have already selected 3. Who do you suggest for that role

 

[Happy Mastenator]

9th in the Coleman with only key forwards ahead of him. I have already selected 3. Who do you suggest for that role

I would think sub 50 goals (what he is on track for), means that you shouldn't be in the team over one of the gun mids (i'd have Nic Nat as second ruck but that's another story) unless you've also got a stack of goal assists.

A comparison for another forward if you need another small/medium forward would be AMT. He's kicked 33 goals with 19 goal assists for a total of 52. Fritsch is 39 and 6, for a total of 45.

 

[NonPhixion]

I would think sub 50 goals (what he is on track for), means that you shouldn't be in the team over one of the gun mids (i'd have Nic Nat as second ruck but that's another story) unless you've also got a stack of goal assists.

A comparison for another forward if you need another small/medium forward would be AMT. He's kicked 33 goals with 19 goal assists for a total of 52. Fritsch is 39 and 6, for a total of 45.

that’s the flaw in AA, just select a team of midfielders than.
And no thanks I’ll take Fritsch ahead of AMT

 

[Bipolar Bear]

Without sounding like a smart ass what big games has Parish played in?

Big games are subjective I guess.
For a team that doesn't win finals, Anzac Day, Dreamtime and the Country game are big games.
He's won all the medals for BOG on those days.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

that’s the flaw in AA, just select a team of midfielders than.
And no thanks I’ll take Fritsch ahead of AMT

Fritsch does literally nothing other than kick goals, and he hasn't kicked such a large amount that he deserves to be named.

 

[00Stinger]

Big games are subjective I guess.
For a team that doesn't win finals, Anzac Day, Dreamtime and the Country game are big games.
He's won all the medals for BOG on those days.

Yeah fair enough, country game being a big game is a stretch

ANZAC day & Dreamtime I agree, was there a crowd at the Deeamtime game this year? I can't remember

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[Scythe]

Fritsch does literally nothing other than kick goals, and he hasn't kicked such a large amount that he deserves to be named.

Whilst I won't make much of an argument for Fritsch making the team (May, Lever, Oliver, Petracca, Gawn all deserve to be there more than him, and Melbourne won't get six players in), the reality is he's a mid-tall third forward, and it's literally his job to kick goals. He shouldn't be compared to someone like AMT who's a small, crumbing forward who can also push up the ground.

If you look at the backline, for instance, you'll likely have two of Weitering, Andrews and May (tall defenders), 1-2 of Lever and Stewart (intercepting defenders), and then an assortment of either rebounding or lockdown type smalls (more likely to be rebounders this year, such as Rich/Dale etc). Now, would you compare the likes of Lever and Stewart to Andrews and May? How about Lever/Stewart vs Dale/Rich? No, they're completely different players.

Fritsch's chances revolve around whether they elect to pick a mid-size marking forward. If they do, his competition would mainly be Toby Greene, who I would pick over Fritsch. But to rule him out because he 'only kicks goals' is broken logic.

 

[nurries]

Check out Walsh vs Brayshaw comparison with nearly 10% less game. Andy should be in AA contention

 

[Scythe]

Check out Walsh vs Brayshaw comparison with nearly 10% less game. Andy should be in AA contention

Now here's an argument that I really don't understand, and it's often one that's used for Nic Naitanui.

Brayshaw has had a really good year, but won't be anywhere near the team in a year where you have around 10-15 inside mids who can all make a better case for inclusion.

A player with less TOG % doesn't improve their case whatsoever. In fact, in the case of star players, them spending an extra 10% of time off the ground means that their net value is replaced by (likely) an inferior player for 10% of the game, which hurts their team overall. Players like Walsh who can stay on the ground for nearly an entire game and remain effective are worth their weight in gold.

 

[Engimal v3]

Now here's an argument that I really don't understand, and it's often one that's used for Nic Naitanui.

Brayshaw has had a really good year, but won't be anywhere near the team in a year where you have around 10-15 inside mids who can all make a better case for inclusion.

A player with less TOG % doesn't improve their case whatsoever. In fact, in the case of star players, them spending an extra 10% of time off the ground means that their net value is replaced by (likely) an inferior player for 10% of the game, which hurts their team overall. Players like Walsh who can stay on the ground for nearly an entire game and remain effective are worth their weight in gold.

It's like sprinting the first 200m of a marathon and then claiming you're the best because of how in front you were.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Whilst I won't make much of an argument for Fritsch making the team (May, Lever, Oliver, Petracca, Gawn all deserve to be there more than him, and Melbourne won't get six players in), the reality is he's a mid-tall third forward, and it's literally his job to kick goals. He shouldn't be compared to someone like AMT who's a small, crumbing forward who can also push up the ground.

If you look at the backline, for instance, you'll likely have two of Weitering, Andrews and May (tall defenders), 1-2 of Lever and Stewart (intercepting defenders), and then an assortment of either rebounding or lockdown type smalls (more likely to be rebounders this year, such as Rich/Dale etc). Now, would you compare the likes of Lever and Stewart to Andrews and May? How about Lever/Stewart vs Dale/Rich? No, they're completely different players.

Fritsch's chances revolve around whether they elect to pick a mid-size marking forward. If they do, his competition would mainly be Toby Greene, who I would pick over Fritsch. But to rule him out because he 'only kicks goals' is broken logic.

Do you need a third tall forward type though if you've got three key forwards in the line up (like that poster did).

My argument isn't that only kicking goals means he's not in, my argument is that he hasn't kicked enough goals given it's his only job. If he was going to finish on ~60 goals then maybe given his lack of other contributions, but he's not. He won't get to 50.

 

[baby pluto]

Now here's an argument that I really don't understand, and it's often one that's used for Nic Naitanui.

Brayshaw has had a really good year, but won't be anywhere near the team in a year where you have around 10-15 inside mids who can all make a better case for inclusion.

A player with less TOG % doesn't improve their case whatsoever. In fact, in the case of star players, them spending an extra 10% of time off the ground means that their net value is replaced by (likely) an inferior player for 10% of the game, which hurts their team overall. Players like Walsh who can stay on the ground for nearly an entire game and remain effective are worth their weight in gold.

It’s rarely used for Naitanui because there’s no need for it to be. His impact is still greater than any ruck in the league.

 

[danster168]

that’s the flaw in AA, just select a team of midfielders than.
And no thanks I’ll take Fritsch ahead of AMT

I'm sorry but I don't think Anthony Mcdonald-Tipungwuti is good enough to earn a AMT nickname. Or should Igo by DGB when referring to Denver Grainger-barras?

 

[g_TRAIN]

Check out Walsh vs Brayshaw comparison with nearly 10% less game. Andy should be in AA contention

That's ridiculous

Andy will probably make the AA team, just not this year.

 

[nurries]

That's ridiculous

Andy will probably make the AA team, just not this year.

Of course it’s ridiculous, just like Mundy he doesn’t play for a Vic club

 

[Halftimehero]

Yeah fair enough, country game being a big game is a stretch

ANZAC day & Dreamtime I agree, was there a crowd at the Deeamtime game this year? I can't remember

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Yes there was 60k at in Perth

 

[Mantastic]

I'm sorry but I don't think Anthony Mcdonald-Tipungwuti is good enough to earn a AMT nickname. Or should Igo by DGB when referring to Denver Grainger-barras?

And who said you could go by Danster? Frankly, Daniel, we just don't think you're good enough for nicknames.

 

[00Stinger]

Yes there was 60k at in Perth

Yeah ok it was I do remember that now

So used to games having **** all crowds this year its easily to forget