Rolling Ashes Squad Thread

RudyBlue

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Watched it live post dinner. First time I've really had a good look at Patterson and Doran.

Sure:
  • They were both set when I started watching
  • Excellent batting conditions
  • Mediocre bowling attack
I'm wondering what the knock on Patterson is. Doesn't move his feet a whole lot, but is really still and has an excellent head position at the point of contact- can play it really late. Demonstrated all the gears you'll need at test level and played shots all around the wicket. Hasn't demonstrated this excellence season after season but who has at the moment?

Doran's horizontal bat shots, driving through the offside, and general busyness at the crease were, I thought, somewhat reminiscent of a Mike Hussey rearguard of yesteryear.

Thank you.

Most satisfied I've been all summer.
 

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Can definitely see the appeal of Doran in the long term, can sweep better than anyone else in Australia judging by what I've seen today. Certainly shouldn't be in conversations at present and certainly needs to do this consistently but if he can keep as well, the appeal is obvious and he is still very young.
Whats his keeping like? CA seem pretty keen to make him in to a keeper.
 

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Can definitely see the appeal of Doran in the long term, can sweep better than anyone else in Australia judging by what I've seen today. Certainly shouldn't be in conversations at present and certainly needs to do this consistently but if he can keep as well, the appeal is obvious and he is still very young.
Too bad his FC record is horrific. Lucky to even be in the team.
 

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Whats his keeping like? CA seem pretty keen to make him in to a keeper.
Good question, I really have no idea but his batting looked very, very good today. He has all the tools clearly based on today's innings, might just need time to get the maturity and concentration together to become consistent.
 

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He had a good year last but can't buy a run this year until today. Kind of like Lambuschagne really!
There are a number of young guys who are pretty decent technically and make runs from time to time. Not as if there's no talent around. The inconsistency is incredibly frustrating.

I'd be interested to see how Patterson's current FC record compares to Steve Smith's of say early 2013, when he was recalled against India.
 

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Where's this from? Are you a selector trying to make up more reasons now to get one of the best bats into the side?
If that’s the knock on Patterson (the supposedly not wanting it enough), that makes things even more stupid.

Do selectors even care about actual fun making at first class level, seems they just hallucinate and think they can see things only the ‘trained eye’ can see.

Like Homer with the orange when he was doing marriage counseling
 

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If that’s the knock on Patterson (the supposedly not wanting it enough), that makes things even more stupid.

Do selectors even care about actual fun making at first class level, seems they just hallucinate and think they can see things only the ‘trained eye’ can see.

Like Homer with the orange when he was doing marriage counseling
From a while back, but the knock against Patterson was more the typical contradictory BS:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...s/news-story/17d982c49dbdca329e97d85bd9c0e71a
FEW in Australian cricket boast as many 30 plus scores as Kurtis Patterson, but the NSW captain has been told he will be judged on the old school criteria of making hundreds.
Cricket Australia released a document in the wake of the Test team naming to reveal that scoring 30s is now a key pillar in selection.

But it appears high performance sabermetrics don’t cut mustard at the coalface, with Patterson hearing from the horse’s mouth, National Selector Trevor Hohns that he must make first-class centuries to earn a baggy green.

Patterson has passed 30 in nine of his past 16 innings and his first-class average of 40 with 23 half centuries from 52 matches tells the story of a player who is as reliable as any in the country at getting starts.
From the article on 30s being the new 50s (except when a player they don't like is getting 30s)
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...k/news-story/eccdb5e7d101fa5345875e65f3d6c7c3
On Thursday, Cricket Australia released a bizarre statistical explanation on its official website as “rationale” for the selection panel’s controversial snubbing of Glenn Maxwell and others for next month’s Test tour against Pakistan in the UAE.

According to a story published on CA’s website, scores of “30 plus” have been identified as a “key metric” for a new-look squad trying to avoid batting collapses.
From CA's article justifying Finch's selection:
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/key...lenn-maxwell-aaron-finch-joe-burns/2018-09-12
Aaron Finch

CA's rationale: Finch gets a big tick in the 'percentage of scores over 30' metric being used as a method to prevent collapses in Asia; across all formats at domestic and international level, only Steve Smith (50.49 per cent) betters the Victorian's mark of 50.37 per cent.
Goes to show how full of shit they are, going above and beyond to find a way to force the stats in Finch's favor.
 
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From a while back, but the knock against Patterson was more the typical contradictory BS:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...s/news-story/17d982c49dbdca329e97d85bd9c0e71a

From the article on 30s being the new 50s
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...k/news-story/eccdb5e7d101fa5345875e65f3d6c7c3
So the message is unless someone is scoring hundreds left right and centre, they can just use whatever random selection criteria they feel like?

Guy makes 50s and not hundreds, so pick another guy who makes no 50s or 100s.

I think Hohns must be senile to believe what he’s peddling.
 

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So the message is unless someone is scoring hundreds left right and centre, they can just use whatever random selection criteria they feel like?

Guy makes 50s and not hundreds, so pick another guy who makes no 50s or 100s.

I think Hohns must be senile to believe what he’s peddling.
The stupid thing is Patterson did meet the criteria, but hey told him it didn't apply to him. The criteria appears to have just been an attempt to justify putting Finch in the Test team, and even then they had to include his T20/ODI stats to make it seem reasonable.
 

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Came here to see who went well and it’s all just about who’s ******* who. I watched the early session, played like a typical Tasmanian pitch from this year ball moved around a bit early but after that became really easy to bat on. Credit to Patterson he got in early when wickets were falling and made it through.

I think they will end up going with Burns Lab and Pucovski, think people here have been pretty harsh on Lab looked good in Sydney. Also he got into the side due to having a stronger year than Patterson last year. I maybe a bit old school but once you pick a bloke they deserve more than 3 tests to see if the can sink or swim
 

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One chirpy visiting wicketkeeper batsman replaces another chirpy visiting wk batsman in Australia. Both play a similar brand of attacking cricket too.

The Dickwella-Paine banter is the one thing I'm looking forward to in the series. But personally, I think Pant's got Dickwella covered in his pocket when it comes to being an annoying keeper.
 
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