Rolling Ashes Squad Thread, now featuring Haddin XII v Hick XII beginning p. 147

[Big Bryza]

Not a bad team but I probably wouldn't have a bloke who dumps his wife and kids to chase after some young tart as vice captain. Just my opinion

Thanks Mrs Lyon.

 

[Wedge McManus]

Thanks Mrs Lyon.

you're welcome Bigfoot

 

[Big Bryza]

Lyon walked straight out of his marriage last year to chase a younger woman. Made the news etc. Left his kids behind etc. No warning. Just walked out.That's the way the media have reported it at least

Too much Daily Mail for you.

 

[Big Bryza]

I disagree with that logic. I think a better reference point is their last Test series here when they got beaten pretty comfortably.

I think they would belt us in NZ, but I think with Smith (not sure if Warner is in our best XI) back, we'd beat them.

Pardon?

Warner is our 2nd best player when eligible.

 

[The Speaker]

 

[Blue1980]

Will look forward to hearing CA's rationale on why Patterson has been overlooked and will be overlooked once again for the second test.

Talk about not enough first class centuries , and as this wasn’t a first class match, it doesn’t count.

But then they will justify the selection of one of the others by what they do in the 2nd innings.

 

[toml]

So the message is unless someone is scoring hundreds left right and centre, they can just use whatever random selection criteria they feel like?

Guy makes 50s and not hundreds, so pick another guy who makes no 50s or 100s.

I think Hohns must be senile to believe what he’s peddling.

And making hundreds after hundreds at the beginning of last year didn’t matter in Renshaw’s case when they decided they wanted to make Finch a ****ing test opener in the UAE, and now Renshaw is cooked. Well done selectors!

 

[Sproj]

Talk about not enough first class centuries , and as this wasn’t a first class match, it doesn’t count.

But then they will justify the selection of one of the others by what they do in the 2nd innings.

LaBleuthe's knock was pure class, just got unlucky on a pitch that was doing a bit, while Patterson's was just a score anyone should have got on a road.

I'm guessing this will be the logic.

 

[Seedsfan]

And making hundreds after hundreds at the beginning of last year didn’t matter in Renshaw’s case when they decided they wanted to make Finch a ******* test opener in the UAE, and now Renshaw is cooked. Well done selectors!

Yeah makes 6 100s in the calendar year same amount as Patterson has made in his career just to put it in perspective

 

[Seedsfan]

Talk about not enough first class centuries , and as this wasn’t a first class match, it doesn’t count.

But then they will justify the selection of one of the others by what they do in the 2nd innings.

As much as people hear like to talk up Patterson’s record he has only scored 2 100s in the last two and a half seasons. So to put that into perspective Pucovski has scored 2 100s in 8 games, Labuschange and Patterson have both scored 2 in 26 games, Burns has scored 4 in 23 games and Renshaw has scored 4 in 19 games. (I did only look at Sheffield Shield stats)

As much as people dig the boots into Labuschange he was selected as he was the second highest run scorer in the 17-18 Shield season and they thought his leggies would be useful in the UAE. While he failed to secure his spot with the bat over there he was serviceable and his 7 wickets at 22 justified his selection. Wasn’t a fan of him coming in for the Sydney test as I don’t think it is ever right dropping a player after one test so reluctantly I thought Mitch warranted another start or two before the cut him, but now they have picked Labuschange they have to stick with him for at least the next two tests if he fails he should be at the back of the que to get a spot again and be forced to demand a recall

 

[Spook]

One chirpy visiting wicketkeeper batsman replaces another chirpy visiting wk batsman in Australia. Both play a similar brand of attacking cricket too.

The Dickwella-Paine banter is the one thing I'm looking forward to in the series. But personally, I think Pant's got Dickwella covered in his pocket when it comes to being an annoying keeper.

Pant grew up watching the likes of Healy and Haddin

 

[bird_man]

Is it too late to add Patterson to the squad?

Harris
Burns
Khawaja
Patterson
Head
Pukovski
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazlewood

 

[Ishikawa]

One chirpy visiting wicketkeeper batsman replaces another chirpy visiting wk batsman in Australia. Both play a similar brand of attacking cricket too.

The Dickwella-Paine banter is the one thing I'm looking forward to in the series. But personally, I think Pant's got Dickwella covered in his pocket when it comes to being an annoying keeper.

Dickwella has some outrageously freakish skills with the bat, but frustratingly struggles to convert into scores of substance (in any format). Hopefully like Pant has recently he'll breakthrough on this tour with a coming of age ton.

 

[Wedge McManus]

Not having a go at people here but seems to be a few posters who demand selection based on the latest good knock. For example no one had Patterson's name in the mix (apologies to those who genuinely did) but as soon as he scored that ton yesterday some here wanted him in the test squad straight away. Tomorrow it will be the next bloke who scores runs that day etc etc. Joey burns deserves his shot because he made his runs ages ago when the shield games were being played and not in the middle of the bbl (I see wattos name is being thrown around these boards as a wildcard test selection now). It's great to see enthusiasm and each to their own but attention spans seem to be getting shorter and shorter lol....

 

[Blue1980]

Not having a go at people here but seems to be a few posters who demand selection based on the latest good knock. For example no one had Patterson's name in the mix (apologies to those who genuinely did) but as soon as he scored that ton yesterday some here wanted him in the test squad straight away. Tomorrow it will be the next bloke who scores runs that day etc etc. Joey burns deserves his shot because he made his runs ages ago when the shield games were being played and not in the middle of the bbl (I see wattos name is being thrown around these boards as a wildcard test selection now). It's great to see enthusiasm and each to their own but attention spans seem to be getting shorter and shorter lol....

Well why name the squad before this game? What was the purpose?

Patterson has been in the mix the last 24 months. Thing is not many playing records stand out so if you have a bunch of guys averaging 40 you may as well go the most in form one.

The logic of not enough hundreds is baffling. Shane Watson and Shaun Marshs averages are quite similar, but Shane Watson made a lot more half decent scores but Shaun Marsh more centuries.

Using Hohns logic Shaun Marsh is much better.

 

[Blue1980]

As much as people hear like to talk up Patterson’s record he has only scored 2 100s in the last two and a half seasons. So to put that into perspective Pucovski has scored 2 100s in 8 games, Labuschange and Patterson have both scored 2 in 26 games, Burns has scored 4 in 23 games and Renshaw has scored 4 in 19 games. (I did only look at Sheffield Shield stats)

As much as people dig the boots into Labuschange he was selected as he was the second highest run scorer in the 17-18 Shield season and they thought his leggies would be useful in the UAE. While he failed to secure his spot with the bat over there he was serviceable and his 7 wickets at 22 justified his selection. Wasn’t a fan of him coming in for the Sydney test as I don’t think it is ever right dropping a player after one test so reluctantly I thought Mitch warranted another start or two before the cut him, but now they have picked Labuschange they have to stick with him for at least the next two tests if he fails he should be at the back of the que to get a spot again and be forced to demand a recall

Again the logic of looking at hundreds and ignoring anything else. All the records of hundreds among many Australian batsmen over the past 24 months is quite similar, I don’t think that means a guy averaging 45 is the same as a guy averaging 25 just because they have both may have scored 3 centuries in the same period.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Not having a go at people here but seems to be a few posters who demand selection based on the latest good knock. For example no one had Patterson's name in the mix (apologies to those who genuinely did) but as soon as he scored that ton yesterday some here wanted him in the test squad straight away. Tomorrow it will be the next bloke who scores runs that day etc etc. Joey burns deserves his shot because he made his runs ages ago when the shield games were being played and not in the middle of the bbl (I see wattos name is being thrown around these boards as a wildcard test selection now). It's great to see enthusiasm and each to their own but attention spans seem to be getting shorter and shorter lol....

The reason Patterson wasn't a name being thrown around is because he is behind Burns, Renshaw, Maxwell and Pucovski. However he was also definitely ahead of Labuschagne and Finch on people's radar.

As much as people hear like to talk up Patterson’s record he has only scored 2 100s in the last two and a half seasons. So to put that into perspective Pucovski has scored 2 100s in 8 games, Labuschange and Patterson have both scored 2 in 26 games, Burns has scored 4 in 23 games and Renshaw has scored 4 in 19 games. (I did only look at Sheffield Shield stats)

As much as people dig the boots into Labuschange he was selected as he was the second highest run scorer in the 17-18 Shield season and they thought his leggies would be useful in the UAE. While he failed to secure his spot with the bat over there he was serviceable and his 7 wickets at 22 justified his selection. Wasn’t a fan of him coming in for the Sydney test as I don’t think it is ever right dropping a player after one test so reluctantly I thought Mitch warranted another start or two before the cut him, but now they have picked Labuschange they have to stick with him for at least the next two tests if he fails he should be at the back of the que to get a spot again and be forced to demand a recall

Labuschagne scored 2 100's in the 17/18 shield and only scored another 2 before that in the four years previous, so not sure how that's an argument that tips the scales in his favor over Patterson. Also funnily enough Cricket Australia's actual rationale for selecting him according to their website was that he made a 50 in a tour game. His 17/18 Shield season just got him into the A side (after an injury freed up a spot) imo:
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/key...lenn-maxwell-aaron-finch-joe-burns/2018-09-12

Marnus Labuschagne

CA's rationale: Labuschagne performed credibly 'under pressure' for Australia A in the first-class opener against India A, making 60 and 37 as a late replacement for an injured Matt Renshaw.

Don't have anything against Labuschagne as a bloke or player, but don't think there is any reasonable rationale or master plan behind the selectors backing him.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Again the logic of looking at hundreds and ignoring anything else. All the records of hundreds among many Australian batsmen over the past 24 months is quite similar, I don’t think that means a guy averaging 45 is the same as a guy averaging 25 just because they have both may have scored 3 centuries in the same period.

Before the UAE CA claimed they were specifically using percentage of 30's as a selection metric to avoid collapses since there were no big 100 makers, which they used to ditch Maxwell, but Hohns told Patterson that he had to score 100's if we wanted to be selected. They're just making it up as they go along and selecting based on voodoo.

 

[bird_man]

Not having a go at people here but seems to be a few posters who demand selection based on the latest good knock. For example no one had Patterson's name in the mix (apologies to those who genuinely did) but as soon as he scored that ton yesterday some here wanted him in the test squad straight away. Tomorrow it will be the next bloke who scores runs that day etc etc. Joey burns deserves his shot because he made his runs ages ago when the shield games were being played and not in the middle of the bbl (I see wattos name is being thrown around these boards as a wildcard test selection now). It's great to see enthusiasm and each to their own but attention spans seem to be getting shorter and shorter lol....

He's been consistently making runs for a while now, but his big knock is that he hasn't been able to turn those scores into hundreds. It's not surprise that after scoring a couple of hundreds in his last few digs, including one against Sri Lanka that attention has turned to him. Especially when the cupboard is as bare as it is.

 

[Wedge McManus]

One suspects marnus could play the banjo real good. Dah dah dah dah dah dah dah dah dah..... Squeal boy lol....

 

[Wedge McManus]

He's been consistently making runs for a while now, but his big knock is that he hasn't been able to turn those scores into hundreds. It's not surprise that after scoring a couple of hundreds in his last few digs, including one against Sri Lanka that attention has turned to him. Especially when the cupboard is as bare as it is.

Someone suggested here last night that the reason he isn't on the radar is he has a life outside cricket and wouldn't run through a brick wall for the team. Sorta sounds perfect really In that case. Might bring some perspective and intelligence in

 

[Blue1980]

He's been consistently making runs for a while now, but his big knock is that he hasn't been able to turn those scores into hundreds. It's not surprise that after scoring a couple of hundreds in his last few digs, including one against Sri Lanka that attention has turned to him. Especially when the cupboard is as bare as it is.

Exactly hes been on the radar for a while and should of been picked ahead of Maddinson back in 2016 after Hobart.

Solid average of 41 in his career, still only 25, saying he doesn't score enough centuries doesn't hold much weight when the guys being picked ahead of him aren't doing that either.

Out of the current test squad only Khawaja has a first class batting average higher than Patterson.

So what should of the selectors done? Not named the squad until after this tour match.

What should they do now? Add Patterson to the squad for the first test, acknowledging a mistake is better than doubling down.

 

[Sproj]

Apparently (based on commentary during the game yesterday but they did regularly get things wrong, like J Richardson being from SA), they can’t add players to the first test squad unless there is an injury. Is that true?

 

[Wedge McManus]

Apparently (based on commentary during the game yesterday but they did regularly get things wrong, like J Richardson being from SA), they can’t add players to the first test squad unless there is an injury. Is that true?

Wow cricket is such a myopic conservative backwards thinking sport if that's true. Silly set of archaic rules that sometimes make no sense whatsoever

 

[Seedsfan]

Again the logic of looking at hundreds and ignoring anything else. All the records of hundreds among many Australian batsmen over the past 24 months is quite similar, I don’t think that means a guy averaging 45 is the same as a guy averaging 25 just because they have both may have scored 3 centuries in the same period.

Because when they were looking for a batsmen in 2018 Labuschange was coming off 2 100s that year admittedly not great but Patterson failed to chalk up triple figures that season