Rolling Ashes Squad Thread, now featuring Haddin XII v Hick XII beginning p. 147

[Seedsfan]

The reason Patterson wasn't a name being thrown around is because he is behind Burns, Renshaw, Maxwell and Pucovski. However he was also definitely ahead of Labuschagne and Finch on people's radar.


Labuschagne scored 2 100's in the 17/18 shield and only scored another 2 before that in the four years previous, so not sure how that's an argument that tips the scales in his favor over Patterson. Also funnily enough Cricket Australia's actual rationale for selecting him according to their website was that he made a 50 in a tour game. His 17/18 Shield season just got him into the A side (after an injury freed up a spot) imo:
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/key...lenn-maxwell-aaron-finch-joe-burns/2018-09-12

Don't have anything against Labuschagne as a bloke or player, but don't think there is any reasonable rationale or master plan behind the selectors backing him.

Because when Labuschange originally got selected Patterson was not in contention as he failed to even score one ton in that season. Yes overall he has a better record but how much do you pick players off there overall record and how much do you pick them off current form. For the UAE tour the form selection was Labuschange and Patterson had a better record but even then it was only 4 100s to 5 so Patterson’s record didn’t demand selection

 

[Seedsfan]

So I had a look at the first class records of all the top 7 in the CA XI. It is hard to compare them all as Pucovski and Sangha both only have 8 games under there belt and while Pucovski numbers are sensational and Sangha’s very good it is a small sample size. One thing it highlights is Jake Doran who was once considered the next big thing hasn’t been up to first class cricket. Out of the other 5 I would rank their record

1. Matthew Renshaw 49 games 86 times out 10 100s. One 100 for every 8.6 times dismissed. Average 37.82, high score 184
2. Joe Burns 102 games 167 times out 15 100s. One 100 for every 11.13 times dismissed. Average 40.58 high score 202*
3. Kurtis Patterson 58 games 93 times out 6 100s. One 100 for every 15.5 times dismissed. Average 41, high score 157
4. Marnus Labuschange 44 matches 77 times out 4 100s. One 100 for every 19.25 times dismissed. Average 33.23, high score 134
5. Jake Doran 31 games 54 times out 1 100. One 100 for every 54 times dismissed. Average 28.01, high score 113

Will Pucovski 8 games 12 times out 2 100s. One 100 for every 6 times dismissed. Average 49, high score 243

Jason Sangha 8 games 13 times out 2 100s. One 100 for every 6.5 times dismissed. Average 31.38, high score 133

 

[bird_man]

Because when Labuschange originally got selected Patterson was not in contention as he failed to even score one ton in that season. Yes overall he has a better record but how much do you pick players off there overall record and how much do you pick them off current form. For the UAE tour the form selection was Labuschange and Patterson had a better record but even then it was only 4 100s to 5 so Patterson’s record didn’t demand selection

Labuschagne's form in the UAE was no good and his form in the shield was poo also, so he really wasn't deserving of a recall.

 

[Seedsfan]

Labuschagne's form in the UAE was no good and his form in the shield was poo also, so he really wasn't deserving of a recall.

He wasn’t the worst in the UAE everyone is just looking to rip into everyone as the teams going so badly. To be fair I agree once he was dropped he didn’t do enough to deserve a recall, after picking him I would of liked to see him get more than 2 tests initially to see if he could cut it at the level

 

[archibald]

Someone suggested here last night that the reason he isn't on the radar is he has a life outside cricket and wouldn't run through a brick wall for the team. Sorta sounds perfect really In that case. Might bring some perspective and intelligence in

I would like to clarify that was pure sarcasm

 

[Wedge McManus]

I would like to clarify that was pure sarcasm

Lol gotcha. My mind musta been turned off like the gabba light tower when I saw that post

 

[Van_Dyke]

Apparently (based on commentary during the game yesterday but they did regularly get things wrong, like J Richardson being from SA), they can’t add players to the first test squad unless there is an injury. Is that true?

That sounds like complete shit, given Labuschagne was added to the Sydney test without an injury

 

[bird_man]

He wasn’t the worst in the UAE everyone is just looking to rip into everyone as the teams going so badly. To be fair I agree once he was dropped he didn’t do enough to deserve a recall, after picking him I would of liked to see him get more than 2 tests initially to see if he could cut it at the level

He may not have been the worst, but he averaged 20. That, along with his Shield average of 28 should have had him no where near the test side IMO.

 

[Seedsfan]

He may not have been the worst, but he averaged 20. That, along with his Shield average of 28 should have had him no where near the test side IMO.

Two tests that most failed in isn’t a big enough sample size. As I said once they made the decision to drop him he had to perform at a FC level to get a recall. He earned his initial selection but was gifted his recall

 

[bird_man]

Two tests that most failed in isn’t a big enough sample size. As I said once they made the decision to drop him he had to perform at a FC level to get a recall. He earned his initial selection but was gifted his recall

I don't believe her earned his first selection to be honest. He is yet to even crack an average of 40 for one FC season, he was hardly banging on the door.

Seemed like a fairly left field choice to me.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

So Patterson is not in the Test side for what reason?

No idea.
One of the very few NSW boys I like. Hope he gets a crack at it

 

[Seedsfan]

I don't believe her earned his first selection to be honest. He is yet to even crack an average of 40 for one FC season, he was hardly banging on the door.

Seemed like a fairly left field choice to me.

Look he was the second highest run scorer in the shield last year. Not many batsmen are doing anything at the moment, he was also picked to bowl his leggies and while his first class record was underwhelming you can’t deny he had a good series with the ball in the UAE. Also when I say earned in normal circumstances he wouldn’t of got a look in but neither would of Patterson

 

[Wedge McManus]

Let's just hope whoever gets the gig playing the Lankans in the first test scores some damn runs. Geez two years ago it was a foregone conclusion one of our top six would make a big score now I hope like anything someone makes a 50 and a couple others hang around for an hour or two...

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Patterson and Bancroft should be added into the squad at this exact moment.

Selection has been laughable all summer. If you're not going to select Maxwell and Wade.. fine you do you Cricket Australia, but Patterson and Bancroft have to be in though.

 

[estibador]

Don't worry. The test shirts probably wouldn't flex as well as the dogsh*t retro strip he's wearing now.

Did you just call the best ODI strip we've had in ages dogshit? Shame on you!

 

[carnthemlions]

Patterson and Bancroft should be added into the squad at this exact moment.

Selection has been laughable all summer. If you're not going to select Maxwell and Wade.. fine you do you Cricket Australia, but Patterson and Bancroft have to be in though.

Because Bancroft made some runs in the big bash? lol

 

[Wedge McManus]

Did you just call the best ODI strip we've had ages dogshit? Shame on you!

Lol no matter how bad they are they are still miles better than new Zealand's

 

[Sproj]

I guess one positive is that unlike others, Patterson is being made the earn his opportunity, he should hopefully really want it and grab it when it does come.

 

[Wedge McManus]

I guess one positive is that unlike others, Patterson is being made the earn his opportunity, he should hopefully really want it and grab it when it does come.

Great innings from Patterson he looks a real class player but to be entirely honest it's just another great middle order knock sparing our woeful top order

 

[Sproj]

Great innings from Patterson he looks a real class player but to be entirely honest it's just another great middle order knock sparing our woeful top order

He is normally a number 3.

I think a top there’s of:

1. Harris/Warner
2. Khawaja
3. Patterson

Looks at least respectable without being great.

 

[bird_man]

Look he was the second highest run scorer in the shield last year. Not many batsmen are doing anything at the moment, he was also picked to bowl his leggies and while his first class record was underwhelming you can’t deny he had a good series with the ball in the UAE. Also when I say earned in normal circumstances he wouldn’t of got a look in but neither would of Patterson

He may well have been the second highest run scorer, but he did it with an average of 39. Just having a quick look at the stats, I can see 17 or 18 with a better average.

Batsmen playing international cricket just don't get the chance to play as much Shield cricket as they should. Labuschagne only scored 78 more runs than Glenn Maxwell but had a total of 7 more innings to do it, or 70 more runs than Joe Burns in 8 more innings. And Burns was dropped after one test in SA.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Because Bancroft made some runs in the big bash? lol

That's how Handscomb got reselected...

Also the fact he's our best opening batsmen available for selection right now.

 

[carnthemlions]

How's Doran's keeping? We're not exactly stacked for keeping prospects after Whiteman's ongoing struggles.

That's how Handscomb got reselected...

Also the fact he's our best opening batsmen available for selection right now.

The comparison makes a lot of sense. Handscomb hasn't fixed his glaring technical issues and based on what I've seen neither has Bancroft.

 

[The Speaker]

How's Doran's keeping? We're not exactly stacked for keeping prospects after Whiteman's ongoing struggles.

Did better with the bat when he was no longer the keeper. Would much prefer he not have to wear them.

 

[Agent93]

How's Doran's keeping? We're not exactly stacked for keeping prospects after Whiteman's ongoing struggles.

Whitey's back! In pog form! Should be keeping his second T20 match in a row for 2 and a bit years.