Rolling Ashes Squad Thread, now featuring Haddin XII v Hick XII beginning p. 147

[1990crow]

You're talking like the selectors get everything right....please! They fk up time and again and again and again. Patterson has been the in-form FC batsman ALL YEAR with Wade. How many times must that part be mentioned? This game isn't a one-off for him. You're not getting that. They should be adding him to the squad based on form. That's not that tough to work out. Doran played one out of the box, but unlike Patterson hasn't been making runs all year, Amazing, the two most in-form batsmen in a year we have struggled for runs don't get selected. So don't be backing the selectors.

The standard of attack is a Test attack better than most things he'd face in FC cricket. Even if they aren't fully switched on they are still better. He tonned up twice with others selected failed badly.

He's not behind any batsman in Australia right now on form.

Rather than talking in theories, I'll make one suggestion.....................look at the scoreboard!!!!!

Selectors seem to be ignoring performance, as usual.

 

[JackOutback]

You're talking like the selectors get everything right....please! They fk up time and again and again and again. Patterson has been the in-form FC batsman ALL YEAR with Wade. How many times must that part be mentioned? This game isn't a one-off for him. You're not getting that. They should be adding him to the squad based on form. That's not that tough to work out. Doran played one out of the box, but unlike Patterson hasn't been making runs all year, Amazing, the two most in-form batsmen in a year we have struggled for runs don't get selected. So don't be backing the selectors.

The standard of attack is a Test attack better than most things he'd face in FC cricket. Even if they aren't fully switched on they are still better. He tonned up twice with others selected failed badly.

He's not behind any batsman in Australia right now on form.

Rather than talking in theories, I'll make one suggestion.....................look at the scoreboard!!!!!

You can mention it as many times as you like, it's still not true. He's in some form, but he's not THE in-form batsman you think he is.

No he hasn't, he's 11th on the Shield run scorers list, behind SMarsh (who did it in half the games and just got dropped) and Burns (one of the guys you would seemingly have him ahead of). He's not in the top 5 for averages either. He's having a decent year, selections have been inconsistent, but let's not act like his being left out is one of the great tragedies in cricket history.

 

[Kram]

Like I said, good on Patterson for scoring some runs but it shouldn't change anything. Based on the standard of attack and their inexperience here we shouldn't be basing so much on it. The selectors are trying to pick a team that will eventually get consistent not just against a Test attack worse then most of the Shield Teams (on our shores) but who will also be able to survive against good attacks.

If you look at the India squad and then this current squad Pattinson has been behind about 10 batsman in total given he didn't get a call up for Sri Lanka, he's obviously rated but he shouldn't be leap frogging anyone to the point where the squad is changed. I'm not a fan of everything the selectors have been doing but I can see they're trying to get the guys in they think can succeed and learn the game at Test level, obviously they aren't sure Pattinson can do that or he would've gotten a go earlier. Do I agree with them? I don't really know but they shouldn't be changing their decision on that because of this.

Jake Doran hit a ton ffs and he hasn't scored a Shield run all year, the runs don't mean that much.

The average Big Footy poster makes their selections on looking at stats on CricInfo and have probably hardly seen these guys play SS barring the odd highlight.

The selectors aren't perfect and seem to make some odd decisions at times (and maybe we could have better ones) but I'd still take their opinion over 99% of the peanuts that post on here.

 

[Woody15]

The standard of attack is a Test attack better than most things he'd face in FC cricket. Even if they aren't fully switched on they are still better. He tonned up twice with others selected failed badly.

Lol no they're not.

 

[Pykie]

Like I said, good on Patterson for scoring some runs but it shouldn't change anything. Based on the standard of attack and their inexperience here we shouldn't be basing so much on it. The selectors are trying to pick a team that will eventually get consistent not just against a Test attack worse then most of the Shield Teams (on our shores) but who will also be able to survive against good attacks.

If you look at the India squad and then this current squad Pattinson has been behind about 10 batsman in total given he didn't get a call up for Sri Lanka, he's obviously rated but he shouldn't be leap frogging anyone to the point where the squad is changed. I'm not a fan of everything the selectors have been doing but I can see they're trying to get the guys in they think can succeed and learn the game at Test level, obviously they aren't sure Pattinson can do that or he would've gotten a go earlier. Do I agree with them? I don't really know but they shouldn't be changing their decision on that because of this.

Jake Doran hit a ton ffs and he hasn't scored a Shield run all year, the runs don't mean that much.

I don’t get this line.

By the same reasoning it makes the other contenders in the team even more ****ing useless for looking hopeless against the attack you think is hopeless.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

I thought Richardson bowls at 140?

Haven’t seen him hit that in any ODI yet

 

[bh90210fan]

We've been calling for Kurtis Patterson to be in the squad since the summer started pretty much.

Good for Patterson scoring runs but again, people going over board.

a) this game doesn't even have FC status, it's a warm up for the Sri Lankans and just have a look at the bowling card, everyone's getting a bowl including some of the batsman.

b) Sri Lanka are a work in progress and almost all of their bowlers have never bowled in Australia before, the attack these guys are facing based on current skill level combined with what I said above is likely worse then anything they face at Shield level.

If the selectors actually alter the squad, axe someone and replace them with Patterson based on this 3 day game it's basically proof they have no idea what they're doing.

Yeah, I agreed. Patterson is in form and should now have his name in the hat for the ashes but really needs to back up his form in shield level to get there. A 3 day warm up slog against a pretty average Sri Lankan attack doesn’t hold much weight as you say.

Harry Nielsen made a ton against a much better Indian attack in their warm up match but barely gets a look in for his State. There’s no way anyone wanted him in the test squad.

 

[to1994]

I don’t get this line.

By the same reasoning it makes the other contenders in the team even more ******* useless for looking hopeless against the attack you think is hopeless.

No, it's not the same reasoning. You can't base the quality of a batting line-up on a single 3 day tour game (and their first red ball cricket in over a month). It's easier to do so with bowlers which is why they usually only get a couple of Tests to show what they can do while batsman normally need at least 5+.

 

[Pykie]

Haven’t seen him hit that in any ODI yet

?

I’ve seen him hit mid 140’s on occasion in the ODI’s.

Especially the first ODI.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Patterson starting to show his Joe Root problem, looks impregnable until 50 and then starts to lose the concentration, story of his career.

Considering how many Aus batsmen got out in the 10s and 20s against India, I'd be more than happy to select a guy who gets into the 50s and then stuffs it up. If Finch and the Marshes and Handscomb could consistently reach 40+ they'd probably still be in the side.

 

[eddiesmith]

Given we’re changing the Test squad on this game, Lyon out, Holland in!!!

 

[Len Nicodemo]

Patterson needs to play over Pucovski. Pretty simple. Still not sold on Head but hey, can’t have it all.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...atterson-into-test-squad-20190119-p50sem.html

Read the first paragraph. That pretty sums up everything wrong with our selection panel. Never mind him being the form batsman right now, let’s not play him. ****ing joke.

 

[Badesumofu]

You're talking like the selectors get everything right....please! They fk up time and again and again and again. Patterson has been the in-form FC batsman ALL YEAR with Wade. How many times must that part be mentioned? This game isn't a one-off for him. You're not getting that. They should be adding him to the squad based on form. That's not that tough to work out. Doran played one out of the box, but unlike Patterson hasn't been making runs all year, Amazing, the two most in-form batsmen in a year we have struggled for runs don't get selected. So don't be backing the selectors.

The standard of attack is a Test attack better than most things he'd face in FC cricket. Even if they aren't fully switched on they are still better. He tonned up twice with others selected failed badly.

He's not behind any batsman in Australia right now on form.

I bolded the parts I want to take issue with. Patterson is not in the top 2 batters this Shield season. That's just simply false. Marsh, Larkin, and Harris along with Wade have all had clearly better seasons than Patterson. Burns, Cooper, Hughes, Lehman, and Handscomb have all had comparable seasons. Then of course there is Pucovski who I do think deserves to play the Test. It's not just about the numbers which we can all look at on Cricinfo, it's also about the way he bats, technique and all that. He just looks like a really good batter.

I think it's correct to say that Matt Wade is a clear standout as someone who has performed better than anyone else in the Shield and not been picked. Patterson is in a group of guys who are all doing pretty well and would all be in consideration. It's debatable whether or not he should have been in the squad originally. Wade definitely should be in the squad but apparently runs scored at 6 don't count.

I also want to dispute your assertion that Sri Lanka's attack is better than most things he'd face in the Shield. It's not. Not by a long shot. This is not an attack that should worry any half-decent batter. Sri Lanka are really not in a good spot right now. This is really a chance for the guys who get selected to make some big scores and book their flights to England.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

If they’re going to pick Pucovski and Labuschagne, then Head needs to be dropped. Basically if they can’t find a spot for him given our disastrous form against India, then heads should roll or the idiots should resign citing incompetence. Ed Cowan and Dirk Nannes should be the head selectors FFS, the voices of reason in Australian cricketing commentary right now.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

I bolded the parts I want to take issue with. Patterson is not in the top 2 batters this Shield season. That's just simply false. Marsh, Larkin, and Harris along with Wade have all had clearly better seasons than Patterson. Burns, Cooper, Hughes, Lehman, and Handscomb have all had comparable seasons. Then of course there is Pucovski who I do think deserves to play the Test. It's not just about the numbers which we can all look at on Cricinfo, it's also about the way he bats, technique and all that. He just looks like a really good batter.

I think it's correct to say that Matt Wade is a clear standout as someone who has performed better than anyone else in the Shield and not been picked. Patterson is in a group of guys who are all doing pretty well and would all be in consideration. It's debatable whether or not he should have been in the squad originally. Wade definitely should be in the squad but apparently runs scored at 6 don't count.

I also want to dispute your assertion that Sri Lanka's attack is better than most things he'd face in the Shield. It's not. Not by a long shot. This is not an attack that should worry any half-decent batter. Sri Lanka are really not in a good spot right now. This is really a chance for the guys who get selected to make some big scores and book their flights to England.

Patterson is averaging 47 since 2015. He has just posted two centuries. There’s literally no reason at all an in form batsman should not be included. I’d be pushing head out.

How exactly is Pucovski deserving of a spot over Patterson? It’s laughable to even go there. He has played about 7 shield games! So many cricketers out there deserve it more than him.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

Pretty hilarious that we pick a squad prior to the CAXI game, then the players we picked all fail while Patterson scores back to back hundreds.

This.

Patterson has been beating the door down for ages and now has just scored two tons yet won’t play. Absolutely laughable given we could’ve won the indian series if we had some decent batsman.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

Nicodemo, I thought you were supposed to be out taking 4 for 23 today ?

Hey! No first game won’t be for a week or two or maybe next season now! There’s 55 players at the club and 4 teams! Haha! I am going to have to steam in hard this week at training!

 

[Len Nicodemo]

who gets the new ball with starc

Siddle

 

[Badesumofu]

Might be the 311 runs @ 103 this Shield season. Good overall record as well, just a shame he hasn't played many matches. But he's also in form and looks like a great batter. 2 tons including the double in 8 FC matches at an average of 49. He made 56 runs and was dismissed once in the CAXI match so it's not like he failed there either. It's not unreasonable to say he deserves to be picked.

I mostly just object to the characterisation of Patterson as some kind of clear stand out. He's one of a group of about 10 guys who are there or thereabouts. It feels like a mixture of recency bias and I-told-you-soism.

 

[Woody15]

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...atterson-into-test-squad-20190119-p50sem.html

Read the first paragraph. That pretty sums up everything wrong with our selection panel. Never mind him being the form batsman right now, let’s not play him. ******* joke.

Patterson was in the mix with a few other batsmen before the squad was named. He wasnt exactly robbed when the original squad was named. His form wasn't that good as people are making it out to be as if he was screaming out for selection. As someone has mentioned previously, he is ranked 11th this year in shield runs. His selection could have gone either way.

As the article states later, it was in no way a 'selection match'. The selectors cant go dropping someone for Patterson because of his performances in the CAXI match. What sort of precedent does that set? Say for example a squad is named, then Bancroft or Maxwell score 200. Should the squad be changed on the back of 1 match? Of course it shouldn't.

I have more of an issue with the timing of the squad selection than I do with Patterson not being in the squad.

 

[JackOutback]

Patterson has not been beating down the door. He’s been knocking politely with a few others.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

Patterson was in the mix with a few other batsmen before the squad was named. He wasnt exactly robbed when the original squad was named. His form wasn't that good as people are making it out to be as if he was screaming out for selection. As someone has mentioned previously, he is ranked 11th this year in shield runs. His selection could have gone either way.

As the article states later, it was in no way a 'selection match'. The selectors cant go dropping someone for Patterson because of his performances in the CAXI match. What sort of precedent does that set? Say for example a squad is named, then Bancroft or Maxwell score 200. Should the squad be changed on the back of 1 match? Of course it shouldn't.

I have more of an issue with the timing of the squad selection than I do with Patterson not being in the squad.

So he posts a shield average of 47 since 2015 then makes 2 centuries 4 days before the first test and can’t be included because of ‘policy’.

****en spare me..

 

[Len Nicodemo]

It’s not like he is just some mid tier batsman who has hit a couple of decent scores, he is a guy constantly at the top of the shield averages who had a lean patch this year but then has blasted two tons. I mean seriously what is wrong with people!

The issue lies with the announcement of the squad though, it should’ve been after the tour game. Greg Chappell and Trevor Hohns can’t pick their noses let alone a decent team.

 

[Blue1980]

Has anyone explained why they picked the squad so far out before the 1st test?