Rookie Draft.

[Truck Rutten]

Welcome to the AFC Sam Elliott.

You may want to trim that tash a bit before taking the field, or you'll end up being tackled by it.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I thought Redden looked like one of the most unco footballers ive seen at the championships. He is stick thin, doesnt have great skills and doesnt really have a set position. Im surprised you like him so much SpringChoke...have you seen him play? Watched him closely at the Champs as he was talked up heaps last year and early this year but after watching him three times during the year all I thought was 'what was the fuss about?'.

Elliot is a top get, will be another Crow rookie star I think.

Sugars had a pretty good carnival and is a Che C-C type marking small forward, I thought he looked pretty athletic at the carnival but his state screen results were terrible apparently.

The other guys picture was in the paper last week I think...looked like a big unit. Dunno much about him tho.

Pretty good assessment - can't disagree - he'll have to improve one heck of alot to win me over

 

[Stiffy_18]

Sugars tested pretty slow over the 20M in state screening. That could be a problem for medium sized forward (mind u we picked up one who can't kick straight, but we like those ... ).

The question I wanted to ask is, would you have preferred Porplyzia or Grima?

I would have taken Porplyzia.

Grima has some potential but he is "in between" height according to Fantasia. I don't want any tweeners on our list. I want either genuine KPP, genuine ruckman or genuine midfielders.

I am not a big fan of tweeners.

 

[Crow-mosone]

I am absolutely bloody spewing with the drafts! Is it me or is everyone trying to screw with us?
Firstly Hurn slips and slips only to be snapped up just when we think we might have a show. Then Varcoe goes the pick before us! (By Geelong the bastards)
I've been telling everyone for two years to pick up Rischbieth or Port will and what happens?? We will regret this!
And Grima (Geelong again) and Bode were also taken!
Am I wrapped with Porpoise, Sugars, Redden, Elliot (the only choice I like) and Bonaddio?
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not happy Jan!

relax. who cares who got what rookie before or after us?

there are a lot of selections under the bridge (ND/PSD) before either team got to the rookie draft - none of them are solid gold prospects.

 

[Crow-mosone]

I heard that too. I have heard he's almost Ryan Willits like.

very good

 

[Stiffy_18]

Comments:

Sugars: Great, ANOTHER 3rd tall option. When are we going to draft someone capable of being that 1st or 2nd tall option we've been crying out for?

Bonaddio: Has anyone found a positive comment on him in any player profile? Slow and not agile. Well, at least he's supposedly a good mark. Maybe there's something all the profilers have missed, they did draft him before Sam Elliott after all.

Redden: Is this kid related to Mick Redden - former North Adelaide ruckman?

Elliott: I like what I've read about this kid, will be interesting to see what he can do once he overcomes his injuries.

Sugars - If he can play, he is a welcome addition. You can't draft something that isn't there. Drafting someone purely on his size is ludicrous idea.

Bonaddio - Same things were said about Rutten. Would you rather we overlooked him in the rookie draft . Agility and speed is something you can work on. If he is as strong a mark as suggested, the other aspects of his games can be worked on.

Redden - He is a nephew of Mick Redden IIRC

Elliot - I think he is the one that could come up big from this lot. Excellent around stoppages. He is a nuggety type who can run 20 meters in 3 seconds. His specialty is clearence work. Size is an issue but his style is pretty similar to Sam Mitchell. If only he can sort our his knee issues from this year he could be pick of the bunch.

 

[McLeodMagic]

Just dug this up re: Sam Elliot

Sam proud to wear State jumper

By Michael Simmons
Wednesday, 6 July 2005

Strathalbyn's Sam Elliot proved he is one of the top junior footballers in the country with consistent performances at the Under 18 national championships throughout the three games.

Although Elliot was a credible performer, he failed to make the All-Australian team, but according to South Australian coach Darren Trevena if the team could have won one or two more games he would have been selected.

"Sammy had a good carnival and was so close to All-Australian," Trevena said

"His performances on the ball and in the mid-field was the reason we won the first game against Victoria Country and in all Sam played nine quarters on the ball out of a possible 12.

"I rate him highly, Sam has good hands, he is a real in and under player, good endurance, reads the play well, has a strong work ethic and is good over head," Trevena said.

Elliot enjoyed the experience of playing with and against the best the country has to offer and learnt from the professionalism that his teammates exuded.

"It was a real honour to wear the State guernsey and get to know players you normally only play against and find out they are just like you.

"Without State of Origin being played anymore it is entrusted onto us to represent the State against the Vics and appreciate the opportunity. I was real proud to pull the jumper on," Elliot said.

Elliot learnt a lot more about rehabilitation over the course of the carnival and the importance of fluid intake.

"Playing three games in a week we spent our spare time down at the beach having recovery sessions and drinking plenty of water, rehydrating.

"The competition was quick moving and the experience of playing Reserves football at South Adelaide helped me to adjust to the physicality of the games, but the pace forced me to find another gear.

"It was a great experience that I will never forget," Elliot said.

Elliot plans to rest over the next fortnight and enjoy watching his two brothers Marc and Rowan play for the Strathalbyn colts before finishing off the college season with Sacred Heart and then onto South Adelaide.

Realistic goals for the talented onballer is to make his League debut for South and to have his name read out in the November AFL draft and follow in the footsteps of another Great Southern footballer Ryan Griffen, who is now with the Western Bulldogs.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Getting a feeling...........................



Bonaddio = Fernee

 

[Crow-mosone]

i actually think that draft camp is a bit over rated myself and sometimes recruiters take the tests into account a bit too much, i would rather the club take someone that can actually play the game rather than someone who can sort of play but is an extraordinary athlete...

yeah but that's not really true now is it?

look at the last 2 years, Pearce and Rischbieth have been hyped over the top on the back of their draft camp results, but neither made much of an impression on the scouts or the clubs.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Getting a feeling...........................



Bonaddio = Fernee

who cares, he's a rookie.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I would have taken Porplyzia.

Grima has some potential but he is "in between" height according to Fantasia. I don't want any tweeners on our list. I want either genuine KPP, genuine ruckman or genuine midfielders.

I am not a big fan of tweeners.

193cm according to Footydraft. I don't know what that's between exactly. I don't know if he can play or not, but Jimmy claiming he's a tweener is a bit thin as far as a convincing argument goes.

 

[neatagreen]

I saw a lot of Adrian Bonnadio when he played at the Oakleigh Chargers and was a bit surprised that he wasn't drafted back then. He is a smart footballer,a good mark of the ball, not quick but he brings ball down to the rovers if he can't mark it himself. Very much a team player and worth a rookie spot for sure.

 

[Crow-mosone]

193cm according to Footydraft. I don't know what that's between exactly. I don't know if he can play or not, but Jimmy claiming he's a tweener is a bit thin as far as a convincing argument goes.

since when do you need to justify not selecting a guy who has slid all the way to the rookie draft ????

 

[Stiffy_18]

193cm according to Footydraft. I don't know what that's between exactly. I don't know if he can play or not, but Jimmy claiming he's a tweener is a bit thin as far as a convincing argument goes.

According to James he is 191 cm and an in between height.

What we also shoudl take into account in these situations is their hand span. Someone like Gibson is 195 cm but his hand span is below average for a player for his height. Watts and Hentschel on the other hand are perfect height for the KPP but both have above average handspan for players of their respective heights.

Its not just a matter of how tall a player is. There is more to it.

 

[Mego Red]

Bonaddio - Same things were said about Rutten. Would you rather we overlooked him in the rookie draft .

Well, Rutten was a state under age capatin and all-Australian. While Bonnadio hold the silver medal from the Don Giovanni's gelati eating competition, so it's not really a fair comparison.

Hey, he may be fine, but he also may be yet another in the great Crows tradition of recruiting big lug Victorians. Where's Stuart Wigney when you need him ...

 

[Mego Red]

since when do you need to justify not selecting a guy who has slid all the way to the rookie draft ????

When you have a finite number of picks, a highly paid recruitment division, and an understanding that intelligent list management is one of the few competitive advantages a team can strive for. You can just be "whatever" about all this, no matter how much you want to shrug it off.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Where's Stuart Wigney when you need him ...

Roasting Barry Standfield over an open fire, with an apple in his mouth

 

[Crow-mosone]

When you have a finite number of picks, a highly paid recruitment division, and an understanding that intelligent list management is one of the few competitive advantages a team can strive for. You can just be "whatever" about all this, no matter how much you want to shrug it off.

ah pigs *rse as someone once said. at this stage, all rookies are nothing but lottery tickets, come back to me if he amounts to anything.

 

[Mego Red]

ah pigs *rse as someone once said. At this stage, all rookies are nothing but lottery tickets, come back to me if he amounts to anything.

Sheesh - all draftees are nothing but lottery tickets - but they're the only lottery tickets that you can utilise to refresh your list.

Look, I'm not saying that our future as a football club is ruined because Grima is going to Geelong. But I think you should take late picks as seriously as you do early picks, because we don't get many opportunities in the scheme of things. It's not like we're the Yankees, and we can buy in the talent once it starts to show itself.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

since when do you need to justify not selecting a guy who has slid all the way to the rookie draft ????

Apparently Jimmy felt the need to do it, which would suggest they probably were disappointed at missing out. If they thought he wasn't up to it, fair enough, but an in between height? Spare me, they would've known what height he was before he was invited out to training.

Anyway that's just a sidelight. I was just interested what people thought here of taking Porplyzia over Grima, given quite a few punters here backed Grima.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Its not just a matter of how tall a player is. There is more to it.

Yes there is, but in your original post you said Fantasia's quote was that Grima was an in between height. Nothing about pace or leap or hand spans. So if he's an in between height, then it is about how tall he is.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Sheesh - all draftees are nothing but lottery tickets - but they're the only lottery tickets that you can utilise to refresh your list.

Look, I'm not saying that our future as a football club is ruined because Grima is going to Geelong. But I think you should take late picks as seriously as you do early picks, because we don't get many opportunities in the scheme of things. It's not like we're the Yankees, and we can buy in the talent once it starts to show itself.

Considering the quality players you guys have produced with late picks and rookie listings, this is a very valid coment. As main lists get shorter and the heat is on to produce results, most clubs now treat the rookie list as an extension of their main list.

 

[Mego Red]

I would have taken Porplyzia.

Grima has some potential but he is "in between" height according to Fantasia. I don't want any tweeners on our list. I want either genuine KPP, genuine ruckman or genuine midfielders.

I am not a big fan of tweeners.

Yeah, lets get rid of Welsh.

Look - no disrespect, but a phrase like "tweener" has a deliberately negative connotation. OF COURSE you don't tweeners. But to think that every position has a definitive height that can play it is untrue - for every shoot first point guard that fails (Stephon, Terry) there are success stories (Arenas, AI). Just saying.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Apparently Jimmy felt the need to do it, which would suggest they probably were disappointed at missing out. If they thought he wasn't up to it, fair enough, but an in between height? Spare me, they would've known what height he was before he was invited out to training.

Anyway that's just a sidelight. I was just interested what people thought here of taking Porplyzia over Grima, given quite a few punters here backed Grima.

Jimmy made the comment before the PSD when he was asked why he thought Grima was overlooked in the draft. Had nothing to do with justifying the selection of Porplyzia

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Apparently Jimmy felt the need to do it, which would suggest they probably were disappointed at missing out. If they thought he wasn't up to it, fair enough, but an in between height? Spare me, they would've known what height he was before he was invited out to training.

Anyway that's just a sidelight. I was just interested what people thought here of taking Porplyzia over Grima, given quite a few punters here backed Grima.

I think a few people look at someones bio and his height is all they see and thinks they will be the new messia.

Honestly if someone didnt make the original ND then he is just another player who missed out IMO.

Those who pump up the tyres of someone like this is only guessing and is living in dreamworld if they think that he will be the next best thing.

Im happy with what we got, if we really had a choice, and if only one kid comes throught then hey, that's the bonus.