Rookie List Elevations & Nominating Banked Draft Selections

[coryne]

Well it looks like Melbourne have activated BOTH picks. Good move by Melbourne IMO, best time for them to use them both. Now if they finish 8th ot 9th they will effectively have x3 picks in a rol

#1. 18th
#2. 17th
#3. 16th
#4. 15th
#5. 14th
#6. 13th
#7. 12th
#8. 11th
#9. 10th
#10. 9th. Melbourne
#11. Melbourne "After 1st rd pick" compo pick
#12. Melbourne "Mid-1st rd compo pick


So, if they miss out on the finals they will get, at worst, x3 picks in the top 14 (depending on there Adelaide and the Bulldogs finish). Not too shabby considering some are calling this the "best draft ever" ............

 

[Riders of Rohan]

Now as long as they don't blow it and finish top 4 they'll be laughing.

 

[yaco55]

As of this year and later, there's going to be compo picks handed out for losing players to free agency. Depending on how many players change clubs, there's never going to be an "uncompromised" draft again.

Free Agency compensation picks will have little effect on the draft - Daresay that many will be in the second to third round range.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

https://twitter.com/#!/CatsInsider/status/181622339564355585

https://twitter.com/#!/CatsInsider/status/181622339564355585

Interesting decision.

Everyone thinks the draft is strong, yet Wells or Geelong don't appear to be interested in having another pick in this draft.

"Strong" drafts come about every couple of years. I suppose they're thinking they might aswell wait for the next big one in 2-3 years time, when they're doing their rebuild, rather than use it now and getting a pick you wuold think is a fair bit later.

 

[Slattery_20]

So...
as far as I can tell - assuming ladder position is the same as 2011 H&A, then adding GWS at the bottom, it's looking like this:

#1 GWS
#2 GC
#3 Port
#4 Bris
#5 Adel
#6 Davis Compo - GWS
#7 Melb
#8 Scully Compo 1 - Melb
#9 Rich
#10 Freo
#11 Dogs
#12 Ward Compo - Dogs
#13 North
#14 Scully Compo 2 - Melb
#15 Ess
#16 Syd
#17 St K
#18 Carl
#19 WCE
#20 Haw
#21 Geel
#22 Coll
#23 Rischitelli Compo - Bris

{Plus Dogs have a 3rd rounder and Tigs have a 2nd rounder}

The "middle of first round" pick is not in fact the middle, it slots between where clubs 8 & 9 would've had their pick.

 

[FishingRick04]

Slat's Port could be awarded a PP too don't forget if you have them that low.

 

[Slattery_20]

Until they release something more than "it might happen but we're not going to tell" I avoided the PPs!!!

 

[irel]

Slat's Port could be awarded a PP too don't forget if you have them that low.

PP no longer applies. AFL abolished it about two months ago. It is now discretionary on Stalinitriou's whim.

 

[coryne]

PP no longer applies. AFL abolished it about two months ago. It is now discretionary on Stalinitriou's whim.

Thus the word "could" in FishingRick04's post ......... They COULD get award a pick IF they finish low and the AFL deems they qualify for it (and god only knows where sid pick would be placed, maybe between 8th (finalists) and 9th's (non-finalists) 1st rd picks like the Compo pick is ???).

 

[Slattery_20]

Yeah who knows coryne.
Hence why I didn't even bother thinking about it.
Just puts a big asterisk on the whole proceedings.

 

[dlanod]

Yeah who knows coryne.
Hence why I didn't even bother thinking about it.
Just puts a big asterisk on the whole proceedings.

The other asterisk being that anyone who loses someone to GWS this year can activate their priority pick(s) immediately for the 2012 draft if they so choose.

I don't know how FA compo picks work, but I'm guessing they're going to be the same as the GC/GWS ones. In other words you can either activate them immediately for that year's draft, but if you don't you have to nominate them at the start of the year that you'll use them in.

 

[Books]

Well it looks like Melbourne have activated BOTH picks. Good move by Melbourne IMO, best time for them to use them both. Now if they finish 8th ot 9th they will effectively have x3 picks in a rol

#1. 18th
#2. 17th
#3. 16th
#4. 15th
#5. 14th
#6. 13th
#7. 12th
#8. 11th
#9. 10th
#10. 9th. Melbourne
#11. Melbourne "After 1st rd pick" compo pick
#12. Melbourne "Mid-1st rd compo pick


So, if they miss out on the finals they will get, at worst, x3 picks in the top 14 (depending on there Adelaide and the Bulldogs finish). Not too shabby considering some are calling this the "best draft ever" ............

Real incentive for the Demons and the Dogs to do well this year....NOT!

 

[goodie23]

The mid-round one selection will be taken between the picks of this year's ninth and eighth-placed clubs.

Now there are 18 teams in the competition, shouldn't the selection fall between ninth and tenth?

 

[dlanod]

Now there are 18 teams in the competition, shouldn't the selection fall between ninth and tenth?

Nope, it's between finalists and non-finalists.

 

[knobby]

you would think Melbourne would have to use one of their first round picks to pick up Viney in F/S, nevertheless, still a handy pick up !

 

[coryne]

you would think Melbourne would have to use one of their first round picks to pick up Viney in F/S, nevertheless, still a handy pick up !

Yeah the f/s selection will be interesting. I mean IF they finished top 4, and their "mid-1st rd pick" was their earliest pick, would they be forced to use it or their actual 1st rd pick determined by ladder positioning ???


My guess would be Viney would need to be selected using their original 1st rd pick (eg a non-compensation pick) as it would be counter-productive to force a club to use a compo pick of higher value on a f/s selection.


Likewise I would expect picks generated by activating a compo pick wouldn't be able to be used for bidding on Viney.

 

[johnnypanther]

So...
as far as I can tell - assuming ladder position is the same as 2011 H&A, then adding GWS at the bottom, it's looking like this:

#1 GWS
#2 GC
#3 Port
#4 Bris
#5 Adel
#6 Davis Compo - GWS
#7 Melb
#8 Scully Compo 1 - Melb
#9 Rich
#10 Freo
#11 Dogs
#12 Ward Compo - Dogs
#13 North
#14 Scully Compo 2 - Melb
#15 Ess
#16 Syd
#17 St K
#18 Carl
#19 WCE
#20 Haw
#21 Geel
#22 Coll
#23 Rischitelli Compo - Bris

{Plus Dogs have a 3rd rounder and Tigs have a 2nd rounder}

The "middle of first round" pick is not in fact the middle, it slots between where clubs 8 & 9 would've had their pick.

Has the AFL changed the rules or have i misunderstood them in regards to the round 1 compo picks for players acquired by GWS?
ie in the example above, picks 6,8 & 12 were round 1 compo picks for Davis, Scully & Ward but i thought that any round 1 (gws) picks activated in the 2012 draft can only be utilised at the end of round 1 hence in the example above, picks 6,8 & 12 should be picks 21, 22 & 23 with brisbanes pick 23 being pick 20.

Can anyone tell me where i've gone wrong?

 

[Slattery_20]

You're confused.

Remember the different players were decided (by the AFL) as Tier 1, Tier 2 etc??
Well there are different types of picks, depending on what "tier" of compensation. It is complex & confusing and I can't remember all the "tiers".

The Rischitelli pick, for example, is at the end of the first round, but better picks were awarded to the Crows (straight after the Crows first pick); Ablett, and Scully

It's complex, and I can't remember all the different gradings

There used to be a pinned topic about, but it seems to be gone.

 

[dlanod]

Tier 1 got you a first round pick immediately after your first pick, and a first round pick in between those who didn't make the finals and those who did. Awarded for Scully and Ablett.
Tier 2 got you a first round pick immediately after your first pick. Awarded for Ward and Davis.
Tier 3 got you a first round pick at the end of the first round. Awarded for Bock, Harbrow, Brennan, Rischitelli, Brown, and maybe others that I can't remember.
Tier 4 and 5 are immediately after your second and third round picks respectively.

Round 1 picks activated in 2010 and 2011 were forced to be at the end of round 1 (I assume that's what johnny was thinking of). 2012 is the first year you can use Tier 1 and 2 picks without having them in effect converted to Tier 3.

 

[johnnypanther]

Tier 1 got you a first round pick immediately after your first pick, and a first round pick in between those who didn't make the finals and those who did. Awarded for Scully and Ablett.
Tier 2 got you a first round pick immediately after your first pick. Awarded for Ward and Davis.
Tier 3 got you a first round pick at the end of the first round. Awarded for Bock, Harbrow, Brennan, Rischitelli, Brown, and maybe others that I can't remember.
Tier 4 and 5 are immediately after your second and third round picks respectively.

Round 1 picks activated in 2010 and 2011 were forced to be at the end of round 1 (I assume that's what johnny was thinking of). 2012 is the first year you can use Tier 1 and 2 picks without having them in effect converted to Tier 3.

Yes thats what i was on about but i thought that the forced eor1 applied to2010 & 2011 for the Gold Coast compo picks and 2011 & 2012 for GWS picks.

I guess they changed the 2012 rules - i'm sure what i thought was stated in that AFL 2012 season guide too.

 

[dlanod]

Nope, it's been the same since day 1. Only ever applied to 2010 and 2011 because those were the years that the two teams had their "shitload of draft picks" concessions.

 

[Slattery_20]

Bumping this (irritates me to always have to look up where the compo picks are).
Updated first round with a predicted final ladder:


#1 GWS
#2 GC
#3 Melb
#4 Scully Compo 1 - Melb
#5 Bulldogs
#6 Ward compo - Bulldogs
#7 Port Adelaide
#8 Lions
#9 Richmond
#10 Carlton
#11 Ess
#12 St K
#13 Scully Compo 2 - Melb
#14 Freo
#15 NM
#16 WCE
#17 Geel
#18 Haw
#19 Swans
#20 Coll
#21 Adel
#22 Davis compo - GWS
#23 Rischitelli Compo - Bris

{Plus Dogs have a 3rd rounder directly after their 3rd rounder - Reid Compo; and Tigs have a 2nd rounder - directly after Port's 2nd rounder - Krakouer Compo}

 

[Pure_Ownage]

As of today, based on ladder order it's actually Carlton 10 then St K 11, then Freo, then compo pick, then Essendon 14, Geelong 15 and North 16 WC 17 Haw 18, Coll 19, Adel 20 + 21 (GWS) Syd 22.

Of course that ladder order will change before the finals, but that's where it is now.

 

[Slattery_20]

I did it as a predicted final ladder.
I'm sure I won't get it 100% right, but it will be close to that.

Was thinking of doing it as "1st placed side, 2nd placed side" etc, but with Dees/Dogs/GWS picks affecting things, it won't make any sense at all.

 

[Slattery_20]

Updated first round with final ladder:

#1 GWS
#2 GC
#3 Melb
#4 Scully Compo 1 - Melb
#5 Bulldogs
#6 Ward compo - Bulldogs
#7 Port Adelaide
#8 Lions
#9 Richmond
#10 Ess
#11 Carlton
#12 St K
#13 Scully Compo 2 - Melb
#14 NM
#15 Freo
#16 Geel
#17 WCE
#18 Coll
#19 Swans
#20 Adelaide
#21 Davis compo - GWS
#22 Hawthorn
#23 Rischitelli Compo - Bris

{Plus Dogs have a 3rd rounder directly after their 3rd rounder - Reid Compo; and Tigs have a 2nd rounder - directly after Port's 2nd rounder - Krakouer Compo}

Question - is draft order is based on pre-finals ladder, or after?