List Mgmt. Ross Lyon - Sacked

[The Joker]

Yep so do I .

But you get lost way to often, I never go to far...

 

[Swan Districts Kid]

Sounds like Longmuir is unbackable favourite for the job.
Does anyone have any insight into what sort of game plan he'd be bringing?
Which West Coast coach did he mainly serve under? Woosha? (If he has learnt the coaching gig from Buckley & Woosha, doesn't fill me with great confidence)

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[rgauci]

I'm confident in the mature aged guys too but I don't think the club really had much to do with whether they were good players (although I wish I could be confident Hill/Hogan were going to be major players for us). And I don't think they're got *that* much improvement left in them, which is why we need the youngsters to really propel us forwards.

Cerra, Logue and Darcy are still running on potential imo, they haven't translated it yet. They're young though so there's time. I just don't think we compare well against Port/Richmond/Hawthorn etc in how well our youngsters are currently playing which considering that we're rebuilding worries me somewhat.

Cerra and Brayshaw were two of the youngest players drafted in their year. They are well above the curve. Brayshaw has a 25 possession 3 goal game in a losing side. Cerra since Ryan’s gone out, and taken on the role of distributor, has been very good.

You have to be impressed by Logue’s work. imO he’s outperformed Hamling since Pearce went out, sans about 2 games.

 

[Taylor]

Sounds like Longmuir is unbackable favourite for the job.
Does anyone have any insight into what sort of game plan he'd be bringing?
Which West Coast coach did he mainly serve under? Woosha? (If he has learnt the coaching gig from Buckley & Woosha, doesn't fill me with great confidence)

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He was the west coast forward coach in 2011

 

[theGav56]

At the end of the day, most successfull clubs coach ball movement (skills) repetitively.. again and again picking apart zones with accurate kicks and handballs through traffic at training.

Instead of doing this too, Lyon coaches to stop that movement instead and make sure his players are in the right spots.

Says it all really.

Lyon's coaching is from the same school of coaching as Longmire and Roos.

Also, if most opponents run a certain game plan, not running the same game plan is perfectly legitimate as a way of countering it. To paraphrase Ian Chappell, do what your opponent least wants you to do.

 

[Barrysballs]

do what your opponent least wants you to do.

Kick Goals????

 

[theGav56]

Kick Goals????

Yeah I am sure that will be the question they ask coaching candidates. The reply would be "Do you have any fit forwards?"

 

[malpaso]

Sounds like Longmuir is unbackable favourite for the job.
Does anyone have any insight into what sort of game plan he'd be bringing?
Which West Coast coach did he mainly serve under? Woosha? (If he has learnt the coaching gig from Buckley & Woosha, doesn't fill me with great confidence)

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What I am most excited about if JLo is the man is that the Eagles and Pies are very good at spacing their forward lines, identifying mismatches and trying to create their own. The Pies defense in my opinion plays better than they look on paper and that's JLo coaching them.

 

[Bicco]

It's a different landscape now with the draft and salary caps and the equalization format.
It's a 10 year or so turnaround to win a cup and if you miss the window you can't buy players like the rich clubs of old.
If we have stuffed this rebuild it's going to be a long haul to turn it around.

I get what you're saying but disagree.
In the past clubs would often buy in the gun SANFL or WAFL as you say. Now players are drafted at 18 and AFL clubs do all of the development. Once mature though, player movement to their desired club is as free as its ever been.

 

[Dale147]

Roosy not pleased.

 

[GingerDocker]

I just had a quick glance at Collingwood's "points against" figure for the year and reconciled that against the quality on paper of their starting 6 backmen from last week...if JLo has anything to do with that outcome, I'm on board, too toot!

 

[Fat Nyfe]

With 4 clubs with new coaches (so far) all expecting to be pushing up the ladder that is going to be one crowded top 8.

The new coach will come in on a minimum 3 year deal you would think, and in the first year the soft cap will be a factor, restricting assistants and other football department initiatives. At some stage in the first 2 years a decision will be made about extending the contract, and they will need to have gone the full Drum not to get that, or a better coach needs to be available.

If we judged them next year it would really be Bell who would be being judged. It would be a massive failure on his part.

I think they will be given leeway for all 3 years.

3 years leeway? The list is the same as it was this time last week. We aren’t starting the rebuild over again and it doesn’t take 3 years to learn a new gameplan.

 

[Keys]

He was the west coast forward coach in 2011

Not quite. Sumich was forwards coach in 2011 and Longmuir was promoted to that role for 2012 when Sumich left to join Fremantle. In 2011 he was a development coach which was his first year at West Coast

 

[Deathly]

3 years leeway? The list is the same as it was this time last week. We aren’t starting the rebuild over again and it doesn’t take 3 years to learn a new gameplan.

I find it funny how people are willing to be generous towards the new coach, unlike the board. This year the expectations internally became make finals and it will be the same next year. Although people think we can give the coach a free pass for a whole season of football, some actually think more.

You're right too, people at the club have no doubt calculated what the list will look like after the trade period, and based on this years luck, finals are looking like a must next season. Gameplans aren't rocket science.

 

[Nothing]

Roosy not pleased.

Obviously a mate and defender of Lyon, but he makes a lot of valid points. Notably the comment that the board was worried that Lyon might have success next year and they didn't want him for 2021 and beyond. that is what makes the timing of it so bizarre.

 

[Taylor]

Obviously a mate and defender of Lyon, but he makes a lot of valid points. Notably the comment that the board was worried that Lyon might have success next year and they didn't want him for 2021 and beyond. that is what makes the timing of it so bizarre.

It will be much harder to not renew the contract of a coach who just won a final, especially if the next coach doesn't even make finals.

 

[Freoforever86]

Tom Morris joining the Sumich push

 

[showemhowtorock]

I just had a quick glance at Collingwood's "points against" figure for the year and reconciled that against the quality on paper of their starting 6 backmen from last week...if JLo has anything to do with that outcome, I'm on board, too toot!

We have much better backline personnel than Collingwood when fit too imo

 

[Dale147]

Tom Morris joining the Sumich push

He’s a grub

 

[Cesoir]

I find it funny how people are willing to be generous towards the new coach, unlike the board. This year the expectations internally became make finals and it will be the same next year. Although people think we can give the coach a free pass for a whole season of football, some actually think more.

You're right too, people at the club have no doubt calculated what the list will look like after the trade period, and based on this years luck, finals are looking like a must next season. Gameplans aren't rocket science.

And herein lies the conundrum. It doesn't matter who the new coach is, there is no guarantee that he (or she) will have instant success and we will play finals next year. So if the club are saying finals are a must next year and we miss, and potentially regress, how much pressure from the media, sponsors and supporters will there be. The board has already shown it is prepared to bow to external pressures, so do we sack the new coach?

This is a very dangerous path they have chosen. As a Freo supporter I hope and pray we manage to get the right coach, hold on to most of our players, improve our recruiting and improve our strength and conditioning regime. Lots of moving parts that have to come together and if they don't the buffoons in the local media will be just waiting to pounce. Anyone who thinks the local media was after Lyon just "because" is dreaming. They were after him because that made good copy for their majority audience who generally hate Fremantle with a passion - that will not stop because Lyon leaves. The only thing which will stop it is on-field success, without the off-field antics we have seen in the past few years. We still have to get through the summer and the last few haven't been a lot of fun.

While none of us were happy with the way this season unfolded, sacking Lyon and Rosich is not in itself a fix. Like I said, there are a lot of other things that need to be fixed, so strap yourselves in for the whining next year about Bell, Alcock, Webber and all the assistants if we don't make finals.

 

[Dale147]

And herein lies the conundrum. It doesn't matter who the new coach is, there is no guarantee that he (or she) will have instant success and we will play finals next year. So if the club are saying finals are a must next year and we miss, and potentially regress, how much pressure from the media, sponsors and supporters will there be. The board has already shown it is prepared to bow to external pressures, so do we sack the new coach?

This is a very dangerous path they have chosen. As a Freo supporter I hope and pray we manage to get the right coach, hold on to most of our players, improve our recruiting and improve our strength and conditioning regime. Lots of moving parts that have to come together and if they don't the buffoons in the local media will be just waiting to pounce. Anyone who thinks the local media was after Lyon just "because" is dreaming. They were after him because that made good copy for their majority audience who generally hate Fremantle with a passion - that will not stop because Lyon leaves. The only thing which will stop it is on-field success, without the off-field antics we have seen in the past few years. We still have to get through the summer and the last few haven't been a lot of fun.

While none of us were happy with the way this season unfolded, sacking Lyon and Rosich is not in itself a fix. Like I said, there are a lot of other things that need to be fixed, so strap yourselves in for the whining next year about Bell, Alcock, Webber and all the assistants if we don't make finals.

I think a good percentage of us are not that thin skinned.

 

[dominguez]

But how then do you judge a coach during a rebuild?

That's why I'm disappointed Ross is gone, we have shown development individually and collectively this year.

Cerra and Banfield are the only players who spring to mind as being underwhelming in 2019. Duman, Brayshaw, Matera, Logue, Tucker, Hughes have all improved.

 

[Goosecat]

Sounds like Longmuir is unbackable favourite for the job.
Does anyone have any insight into what sort of game plan he'd be bringing?
Which West Coast coach did he mainly serve under? Woosha? (If he has learnt the coaching gig from Buckley & Woosha, doesn't fill me with great confidence)

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It's almost as if people have forgotten the most important development stage of his coaching career. The 4 years he spent getting exposure to and learning Hawks type systems and philosophies. Forget the years under Worsfold and now Buckley, which whilst being important parts of his development are not where he really made the giant strides.
How can someone who never coached at Hawthorn get 4 years of exposure to that type of system and inside knowledge of not only structures, skills, training and philosophy but also a season of genuine man on man midfield body positioning and "legal cheating" concepts, used at the Hawks for years from an actual main "Hawks"/Eagles midfielder ex captain? Come on think about it!
Yes it's another giant step up, but he is as good a prospect as any competing possibility. Everyone keeps going on about his Worsfold Eagles and Buckley Collingwood experience. It's like they've completely forgotten about the 4 years of Simpson/Mitchell, straight out of Hawthorn. That's where he really took the next step.

 

[Dockers v Channel7West]

And herein lies the conundrum. It doesn't matter who the new coach is, there is no guarantee that he (or she) will have instant success and we will play finals next year. So if the club are saying finals are a must next year and we miss, and potentially regress, how much pressure from the media, sponsors and supporters will there be. The board has already shown it is prepared to bow to external pressures, so do we sack the new coach?

This is a very dangerous path they have chosen. As a Freo supporter I hope and pray we manage to get the right coach, hold on to most of our players, improve our recruiting and improve our strength and conditioning regime. Lots of moving parts that have to come together and if they don't the buffoons in the local media will be just waiting to pounce. Anyone who thinks the local media was after Lyon just "because" is dreaming. They were after him because that made good copy for their majority audience who generally hate Fremantle with a passion - that will not stop because Lyon leaves. The only thing which will stop it is on-field success, without the off-field antics we have seen in the past few years. We still have to get through the summer and the last few haven't been a lot of fun.

While none of us were happy with the way this season unfolded, sacking Lyon and Rosich is not in itself a fix. Like I said, there are a lot of other things that need to be fixed, so strap yourselves in for the whining next year about Bell, Alcock, Webber and all the assistants if we don't make finals.

Well said -Spot on , I think it is important that we maintain our Fremantle identity and support our next coach as a COLLECTIVE for 2 to 3 seasons against the media buzzards waiting to start destabilising again
Fortunately I strongly believe a good coach with a fair run with injuries will get us into finals next year

 

[dominguez]

Keeping him because he won 9 games instead of 8 is such an idiotic and myopic thing to say. Anyone who has watched us for the last 4 years will tell you our shortcomings, but here we are 4 years into a rebuild arguably one of the worst offensive teams in the modern era.

Ross must be held responsible for these failures.

How many of the 22 that played against Essendon would get a game up the road though? Our best 22 when available have shown they can move the ball and score well.

Persevering for so long with Harley Bennell illustrates that the club were well aware of our lack of class.

The new coach will have a forward line and a backline next year and look like a genius, but 9 wins with the players at his disposal is above par IMO.