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Ross Lyon, your failure continues.
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Look2Me4Guidance
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Quicker than Leon Davis' possessions in September?
Look2Me4Guidance
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Much like the move to get Travis Cloke to the GC brother. Let him stay at the Pies so we can laugh.
8 tackles, 1 one percenters, 1 inside 50
almost got as many tackles as he got possesions
spud.
ball >>> armitage, clearly.
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I just don't understand how you saints fans can deny that Ross Lyon made one of the biggest blunders in trading history.
Seriously, it's almost as embarrassing as retaining Kossi on your list.
Seriously, it's almost as embarrassing as retaining Kossi on your list.
Look2Me4Guidance
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8 tackles, 1 one percenters, 1 inside 50
almost got as many tackles as he got possesions
spud.
ball >>> armitage, clearly.
Do you shave yet?
Look2Me4Guidance
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Kosi >>>>> T Cloke
that was a pretty ghey reply, who asks people that?
what a weird person.
and yes.
Actually 4 of his possessions were contested but don't let the truth get in the way of your childish little spasm.
Its as embarassing as you harping on and on and on and on about an issue that's in the past. We are looking forward and playing with what we have. You on the other hand are sitting in the goalsquare waving your arms around valiantly trying to get attention by big noting yourself over an apparent "win" against St Kilda in trading. The only wins the rest of the teams are concerned with is on the field. You truly are a sad unit, I pity you.
Agree with this. And as a footnote "It's not December 2009"
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You're new here aren't you?
my mistake.Actually 4 of his possessions were contested but don't let the truth get in the way of your childish little spasm.
were they all clangers? plus 2 more AND 4 efficient of his 10 disposals. ?
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The umpires gift noone games.
Sure it was piss-poor from both ends, with both teams getting their fair share of soft frees, but in the end, we won out because we were the superior team.
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Thread's logic generally fails.
1. Lyon could not be expected to monitor the actions of Lovett. He was a calculated risk, which unfortunately went pear-shaped.
2. Pick no. 9 is no real loss for the time being. A 19 year old draft pick could not help the premiership offensive which we are planning to go on this year.
3. Wellingham was never up for grabs, you misinformed fools.
4. Luke Ball's desire to leave is not a fault of Ross Lyon's. Ball was played as much as was needed of him, and he admitted himself that opportunities would be more scarce at St. Kilda than at Collingwood
5. If we accepted the trade, Goldsack would be no use for us, as he wouldn't have got a game, and any subsequent draft picks would've been useless, because (as i said before) draft picks are useless for us at the present moment.
So continue your childish little blame games by all means, just remember it is all unwarranted crap
1. Lyon could not be expected to monitor the actions of Lovett. He was a calculated risk, which unfortunately went pear-shaped.
2. Pick no. 9 is no real loss for the time being. A 19 year old draft pick could not help the premiership offensive which we are planning to go on this year.
3. Wellingham was never up for grabs, you misinformed fools.
4. Luke Ball's desire to leave is not a fault of Ross Lyon's. Ball was played as much as was needed of him, and he admitted himself that opportunities would be more scarce at St. Kilda than at Collingwood
5. If we accepted the trade, Goldsack would be no use for us, as he wouldn't have got a game, and any subsequent draft picks would've been useless, because (as i said before) draft picks are useless for us at the present moment.
So continue your childish little blame games by all means, just remember it is all unwarranted crap
Thread's logic generally fails.
1. Lyon could not be expected to monitor the actions of Lovett. He was a calculated risk, which unfortunately went pear-shaped.
2. Pick no. 9 is no real loss for the time being. A 19 year old draft pick could not help the premiership offensive which we are planning to go on this year.
3. Wellingham was never up for grabs, you misinformed fools.
4. Luke Ball's desire to leave is not a fault of Ross Lyon's. Ball was played as much as was needed of him, and he admitted himself that opportunities would be more scarce at St. Kilda than at Collingwood
5. If we accepted the trade, Goldsack would be no use for us, as he wouldn't have got a game, and any subsequent draft picks would've been useless, because (as i said before) draft picks are useless for us at the present moment.
So continue your childish little blame games by all means, just remember it is all unwarranted crap
Yep, Wellingham was mentioned as going to North, never to St Kilda.
Ball gave Collingwood what he gave St Kilda, 15-20 touches, mostly handballs, poor footskills, great tackling.
Armitage was quiet in Sydney but will be a very good player. Geary was very good & it's those guys that will get more opportunities thanks to Ball's departure.
And we gave up Pick 16 not pick 9.
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D'oh i got his number and the pick number mixed up
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Yes he was. As much as I wasn't happy about it. Collingwood definitely offered Sharrod Wellingham on the last day of trade, but at that stage St.Kilda were after one player only, and that was Andrejs Everitt, even though he wasn't a Collingwood player. St.Kilda felt that Wellingham was not the player they needed because they had just acquired Brett Peake and Andrew Lovett.
Collingwood then offered Wellingham and pick #30 to North Melbourne for pick #25 in return to pass to St.Kilda, even though it was a terrible deal, but North rejected that, which was a mistake on their part as well in my opinion. If St.Kilda wanted to do a deal to move on a respected former captain and best and fairest winner, then they could have accepted Wellingham, or Goldsack and pick #30, but thank goodness they were completely unreasonable and stubborn.
Ha ha ha! I don't think that was his reason for wanting to leave. I think he mainly wanted to escape the negative influence of Ross Lyon. He has done plenty of hard work both before and since he joined Collingwood
St.Kilda are a good team no doubt, and they deserve to be respected of course, but they are not some sort of unbeatable force. If their 'A' grade team includes Brett Peake, David Armitage, Zac Dawson, Steven King, or maybe even Raphael Clarke by then, that confirms it to me. They are a good team that rely heavily on Nick Riewoldt and four or five other very good players, and they have limited depth.
Is that right? Wow Armitage had four contested possessions from his 10 possessions. His career average in 20 matches over three seasons is now 10.5 possessions, 2.8 marks, 4.2 tackles, and 52% efficiency. He certainly is a late bloomer for a player that is nearly 22 years old! Sharrod Wellingham had seven contested possessions against better opposition up until half time when Barry Hall opened his head, and twelve for the match.
JeffDunne
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So Collingwood offered Wellingham and pick #30 to North Melbourne for pick #25, but it's Ross Lyon who has a problem with talent identification because Wellingham is now a gun?
Collingwood were prepared to give him up to move from #30 to #25?
If Ross Lyon is a goose for not trading him for Ball, yet whoever from Collingwood that made offer isn't, let alone North for not accepting it?
Face it Steph, you are talking yourself into intellectual blackholes due to your unhealthy bitterness and hatred of everything St Kilda.
Collingwood were prepared to give him up to move from #30 to #25?
If Ross Lyon is a goose for not trading him for Ball, yet whoever from Collingwood that made offer isn't, let alone North for not accepting it?
Face it Steph, you are talking yourself into intellectual blackholes due to your unhealthy bitterness and hatred of everything St Kilda.
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It was a terrible of Collingwood to consider trading Sharrod Wellingham, and I don't know who was responsible for that, but at least Collingwood made the effort to get a deal done for Luke Ball.
Yes they were prepared to trade Wellingham and pick #30 to St.Kilda for Luke Ball, or Wellingham and pick #30 to North Melbourne for pick #25 and then pass that on to St.Kilda so they could help them get Everitt from the Western Bulldogs with that pick.
Actually, North Melbourne did agree to that deal, but it was the Western Bulldogs that stated they weren't going to accept pick #25 for Everitt, but would consider North's pick #21, but they were determined to keep that pick, so it was off the table. Collingwood's final day offers to St.Kilda for Luke Ball were...
- Tyson Goldsack and pick #30.
- Sharrod Wellingham and pick #30.
- Pick #25 (from North Melbourne for Wellingham and pick #30) along with pick #62.
Yes, whoever it was at Collingwood that came up with Wellingham as a part of this deal is a goose for doing so. Thankfully though, Collingwood were trying to deal with St.Kilda and North Melbourne who were bigger dills for rejecting it. Wellingham has continually improved each year since his debut in 2008, and he was in my best team before his performance last weekend. He is a beauty, and is more advanced than David Armitage, and a much better player than Brett Peake.
He is quick, and he wins his own ball, and he uses it well when his mind is on the job. The query regarding Wellingham was his inability to concentrate as often as he should, but being considered for trade as he was may have fixed that issue and forced him now to work harder on that which was evident on the weekend. St.Kilda didn't consider him as an option in the deal because they had just got Peake and Lovett, while although North were prepared to trade pick #25 for him along with pick #30, they should have given up pick #21. Thankfully they didn't. Collingwood were lucky that St.Kilda and North were foolishly stubborn.
How so?
I don't think so at all.
I've never said that I am bitter toward St.Kilda, and I certainly have never stated that I hate them. I don't hate anything because that is far too negative for my character.
JeffDunne
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So where's the thousands - and I do mean THOUSANDS - of posts calling Malthouse a failure?
You don't need to say it Steph.
Your thousands of posts of speak for themselves . . . on so many levels.
So thousands of posts dripping venom over Ross is not "too negative"?
Frankly, I've rarely seen someone so obsessed about one person on a forum anywhere. Anyone that's come close to your obsession levels usually has their account removed long before this point.
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You remind me of the fools on SEN and Triple M and such that believe that the words of fools such as Caro, Lane etc is gospel.
You allow yourself to be immersed in media speculation too much, so let me explain this to you... like a six year old
Wellingham was NOT up for trade, Tyson Goldsack was.
Goldsack wouldn't have got a game for us, so he wouldve been useless.
What source are you getting this on-trade from the Kangas from???
Any draft picks we wouldve acquired from the Ball trade would've been completely useless, as we want a premiership NOW, not in 5-10 years time.
Oh, and quit fooling yourself, of course youre bitter towards St. Kilda, Christ knows why, but it's clear as day
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Based on what exactly? Offering Sharrod Wellingham for a trade that didn't actually eventuate? I don't know who was responsible regarding that, whether it was Mick Malthouse, or Derek Hine or Geoff Walsh or all of them. Even if it was Malthouse, then if a failed trade regarding a required player is the worst thing that can happen during the off-season, then I am happy!
The positive is that being considered for trade may also create an even better Sharrod Wellingham as shown last weekend. What I don't get is how such an offer could be rejected. Collingwood's mistake of offering Wellingham and pick #30 has not hurt the club, but what exactly has been beneficial for St.Kilda for rejecting that offer?
There is no need to exaggerate and make things up to suit yourself in an attempt to discredit another poster, so please don't.You don't need to say it Steph. Your thousands of posts of speak for themselves . . . on so many levels.
I don't particularly like St.Kilda, but i don't hate anything or anybody. I'm sure you know the reasons for my opinion regarding the Saints, and that is because of John Greening, even though it was before my time.Not only was he just a 21 year old Collingwood player with 98 matches behind him since his début as a 17 year old, but he was the best player in the league at the time that had not yet reached his peak. He would have won the 1972 Brownlow medal, which may not have been his only one. He was quick, he had a sensational leap, he was fair, he was courageous, he was equally skilful on both sides of his body. He loved playing footy for Collingwood, and felt he could play more than 300 games for the Magpies and was determined to keep improving himself.
Leading into that fateful match against St.Kilda at Moorabbin, he had 35 kicks, 11 handballs, 10 marks and kicked 6 goals as a half forward/ruck rover against Geelong at Victoria Park, and he had 32 kicks, 13 handballs, 18 marks and 4 goals against South Melbourne at the Lake Oval at a time when players don't normally have so many possessions. He was exceptional. He would have only been 26 years old in the drawn 1977 Grand Final, and 28 years old in the five point Grand Final loss in 1979, so it's fair to suggest that he could very well have been a dual premiership player at least.
It has been suggested that St.Kilda coach Allan Jeans said to Jim O'Dea before the match that to beat Collingwood they must stop Greening, which makes sense considering it occurred in the first minute immediately after he had the first kick of the match. He won the footy, he kicked it long and accurately as he normally did, which landed in the hands of Peter McKenna for the first goal.
As he set off after his own kick as he always did as well, he was hit from behind and almost killed. He was instantly unconscious for more than 24 hours and face down and bleeding from the mouth. He did not regain full consciousness for a week, and his brain injury was so bad that it effected his balance and ruined his footy career. Jim O'Dea was celebrated by St.Kilda as he went on to be a Reserves coach, committeeman and club Hall of Fame member.
Hey buster...don't knock the venom! It's not too negative at all!
Particularly if it's snake venom. It's used in high quality face cream to give skin a youthful appearance, so maybe some of my venom dripping posts may remove some of those lines on Ross Lyon's weather beaten mug! Snail slime and bee mucus is not too negative either! 
You've already shown in this post that you exaggerate and make things up to suit yourself. Yes I think that Ross Lyon is a pill for a number of reasons, but to be stating that it is an obsession that warrants such action is being ridiculous because I have always shared that opinion within BigFooty guidelines and in the appropriate threads. I haven't even started a thread on the topic for goodness sake as can be seen here in the threads that I have started in the time I've been a member. It's a bit of banter, so lighten-up.
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LOL. What magnificent logic. Multi-cultural society would flourish under your thinking.
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WTF?
Ball left because he could see lyon is a w***er..
Collingwood offer a better set up for him....
He is on less money at pies....
He is very well liked in afl....
Wellingham was up for trade....
What ever your on,pass it round mate?