Footy would be a really easy game if the opposition let you do whatever you liked.
we'd still bomb it long and spoil each other
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Footy would be a really easy game if the opposition let you do whatever you liked.
Duffield is a good writer (style and ability to communicate). He is very well connected, knows whats happening and has an excellent understanding of footy politics and footy people. As an analyst of the game at a technical level he is poor, and just imagines he is otherwise because he possess those other abilities as above.
West coast are not a particularly skilled side and we are not particularly unskilled. what they are is experienced, well drilled and lucky. I would argue we have never had a more skilled list and the latest draft and trade period only reinforced that.
Being skilled and being able to express it a game is an entirely different thing. When you are under pressure because the team is inexperienced, or lacking in harmony or poorly coached (not saying any of those are definitely true for us, other than the first one), or you just lack ticker, then that pressure is going to cause skill errors. Equally, averagely skilled teams are going to seem more so when they are playing well, harmoniously and winning.
Any analysis Duffield is cooking up that breaks down into 'West Coast are coaching for skills and are skillfull and we are dong the opposite' is beyond skin deep and into idiotic territory for mine.
Training on Wed and all other sessions I,ve seen is skill based and then running afterwards.
Where this lack of skills training is coming from is beyond me. What do some on here think, that the boys run around in circles bumping into each other.
Kicking,hand balls
ground pick ups marking ,leading ,roving packs,ruck work,defensive pressure ,
all practise under the eyes of the untold coaches out there .
Yeah you've watched a lot of Freo training which is kinda the point unless you've watched a lot of Eagles training too where do you get your perspective
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The argument is that Freo,s training is not skill based and thats blatantly untrue. If they werent practising their games skills they would be running the boundary for 2 hours.
I thought you were challenging my comment about skills being valued? Now it's about whether we practice them more than WC? That is not the same thing. There has been a really clear targeting of players with developed skills, as well as a reported comment that the club (Lyon) believes that skills do not develop massively after draft age.Stop being a dik , that's not the argument at all , it whether we focus on skill as much as the campaigners up the road
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West coast are not a particularly skilled side and we are not particularly unskilled. what they are is experienced, well drilled and lucky. I would argue we have never had a more skilled list and the latest draft and trade period only reinforced that.
They had them rated 12th last year, so they've moved up in their analysis! Something seriously wrong with their subjective analysis and/or the Toast's midfield coaching last year was the X Factor.Apparently Freo have the second worst list, and are in the bottom three for defence, midfield and forwards.
And West Coast are ranked 11th. Losing Lycett and Le Cras must have pushed them out of contention for the finals.
I thought you were challenging my comment about skills being valued? Now it's about whether we practice them more than WC? That is not the same thing. There has been a really clear targeting of players with developed skills, as well as a reported comment that the club (Lyon) believes that skills do not develop massively after draft age.
We also have a report from training observers that skills are indeed part of training, and a report indicating that Lyon is telling players whose skills are below required standards to improve them individually.
Pretty confident in the club's strategy personally, but if you prefer what WC do, enjoy. But again, different clubs would do different training depending on where they see their lists positioned, and it borders on weird to think that our training and WCs should be the same. We have been and continue to be in rebuild mode with massive list and personnel changes. I would suggest that our ideal forward line comprises;
Walters Hogan McCarthy/Cox/Taberner
Bennell Lobb Ballantyne/Matera/Switkowski/Sturt/Schultz
Almost the last thing they need is skills training. They have great skills, which is why they were recruited. First they need to get to know each others names because they have almost never played together. Then they need to know what the hell is expected of them, what the forward strategies are, and what their roles are.
He's changed the preseason focus making it simpler, so hope this carries on and translates not only defense, but press breakers and attacking skills to kick to an open player under game pressure and kicking goals. Simples.
In a way RTB is saying he made it too complicated. That's someone acknowledging they stuffed up.He's changed the preseason focus making it simpler, so hope this carries on and translates not only defense, but press breakers and attacking skills to kick to an open player under game pressure and kicking goals. Simples.
"When I walked in through the door (in 2012), I said let's get fit, get available and be on the same page, so we're stripping it back to the three focuses.
Not really sure what being on the same page is, but I've been happy with the reports on pre season so far.
In a way RTB is saying he made it too complicated. That's someone acknowledging they stuffed up.
This is a good thing.
Well, you totally fail to respond to any of my points and come out with this rubbish.How else can you have an opinion on whether there is enough skill training besides watch other teams and what a team dishes up on the weekend ?
Glad you fully endorse the way the club is going about things , just don't get what you could base it on without watching at least 2 teams train quite a bit
Err such as the bloke I quoted funnily enough
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meh, you make your own luck.
True to a point, but my god they had some luck go their way that was totally our of their control. If Richmond hadn't shat the bed against Collingwood they would have smoked the eagles in the GF.
Compare that to our year. We had a rock/paper/scissors thing going with Hawthorn and Geelong. Great record against Geelong, particularly in recent finals, but couldn't beat Hawthorn to save our lives. And what happens? Varcoe misses a goal with 30 seconds left in the prelim to finally end Geelong's 11 game streak against Hawthorn and leave us facing our kryptonite in the grannie. FML!
[QUOTE="tonygeeks, post: 58978155, member: 175787"]Stop being a dik , that's not the argument at all , it whether we focus on skill as much as the campaigners up the road
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Cmon Salim, it can't be! Impossible! Lyon must have been interstate attending a Paul Roos hosted 'Effort, Effort, Effort' dinner..Training on Wed and all other sessions I,ve seen is skill based and then running afterwards.
Where this lack of skills training is coming from is beyond me. What do some on here think, that the boys run around in circles bumping into each other.
Kicking,hand balls
ground pick ups marking ,leading ,roving packs,ruck work,defensive pressure ,
all practise under the eyes of the untold coaches out there .
So now it's complicated instead of one-dimensional, spare me..His game plan has long been called 'complicated' by players like Dal Santo.
So now it's complicated instead of one-dimensional, spare me..
Duffield is a good writer (style and ability to communicate). He is very well connected, knows whats happening and has an excellent understanding of footy politics and footy people. As an analyst of the game at a technical level he is poor, and just imagines he is otherwise because he possess those other abilities as above.
West coast are not a particularly skilled side and we are not particularly unskilled. what they are is experienced, well drilled and lucky. I would argue we have never had a more skilled list and the latest draft and trade period only reinforced that.
Being skilled and being able to express it a game is an entirely different thing. When you are under pressure because the team is inexperienced, or lacking in harmony or poorly coached (not saying any of those are definitely true for us, other than the first one), or you just lack ticker, then that pressure is going to cause skill errors. Equally, averagely skilled teams are going to seem more so when they are playing well, harmoniously and winning.
Any analysis Duffield is cooking up that breaks down into 'West Coast are coaching for skills and are skillfull and we are dong the opposite' is beyond skin deep and into idiotic territory for mine.
Haha. Either way with those numbers, the same debate will keep rolling on.Duffield is by far my favourite footy journo. Enjoy his podcasts as well during the season.
I’m an objective person just like Ross who said if I’m not challenging by 2020 I’ve had enough time.
Simple:
If we win 12 games or more in 2019 he stays
If we win 11 games or less in 2019 he goes.