Preview Round 10, 2024: St.Kilda v Fremantle - Marvel Stadium - Saturday 18th May, 7.30pm AEST

[Ads734]

well Mac Andrew is no heavyweight and he is playing well in the ones off HB

Perfect player comp.

 

[Ads734]

I wouldn't be gifting a senior game to anyone from last week's Sandy game- maybe with the exception of Caminiti and maybe Sharman..the rest just played lazy footy.

Umm not sure if you watched the saints game at all…, it’s not gifting games. Keeler has been performing for a bit now.

 

[littlecreatures]

pretty certain the topic of conversation I’m engaging is solely focused on Max.

focus grasshopper

There in lies the issue, you’re not offering balanced criticism if it’s just directed at one player. This thread (topic or conversation) is in respect to the game this weekend against Fremantle, not let’s bash Max King following his 2 games back from injury.

 

[Remboy]

Glad to see others are seeing what I do re Keeler, still a work in progress but the development is visible in my opinion.

Lot of fair criticism on player development, I feel it won't be directed towards Keeler, I think his move down back is paying dividends. Still requires physical development but is getting there.

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That’s great to hear. Do you think the move to the back line is permanent or are they trying to develop his defensive side with a view to moving him forward in the long run?

 

[Ads734]

That’s great to hear. Do you think the move to the back line is permanent or are they trying to develop his defensive side with a view to moving him forward in the long run?

I do t think it’s necessarily permanent, but for now may as well get him some easier ball, fly for marks and give him a simpler role

 

[LennyHayes77]

Re Maxy and his form; I don't think enough people realise how long it can take to mentally recover from injuries. Just look at Hunter Clark

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Hunter Clark

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

and how injuries have affected his development. Max has had a few bad ones and it can honestly take months, even a year or 2 with a clean run at it before the niggling intrusive thoughts are completely gone from someone's mind and they can play free and natural footy.

I also think he must have gone to the same school as me. In the fact that it's not cool to try. I don't think he doesn't try but it's almost like he doesn't want to be seen doing the hard yards, make it look like everything is easy for him.

Either way, you can see he's overthinking things out on the field and he needs to just relax and get back to enjoying playing.

 

[tomjoad]

If merely saying to someone what they needed to do was sufficient, we'd all be capable coaches. Teachers as well.

What methods are being employed to get Max (as well as the entire forward line) to play how the coaches want them to play? What instructions are being given as to what to do when an opponent (remember those, the ones trying to stop you succeed) takes away what you want to do?

There's a simplicity to much non-professional analysis - the "just kick the bloody thing" school of punditry.

It's the coaching staff's job to get the players to execute the game plan. The best coaches manage to do that. I bet all of them make clear their expectations. The gap between those two things is what we need to identify and address.

It's a two way street. The coaches need to be adept at their job 100%
However the pupil/player must also be willing to listen, and have the right attitude.

 

[tomjoad]

Max has an attitude problem, he drops his bundle way too easily, I’d like to think the young fella is taking accountability for that, maybe he should watch some replays of Harvey and how he handled things when the going got tough.

Or Rooey.

 

[tomjoad]

There in lies the issue, you’re not offering balanced criticism if it’s just directed at one player. This thread (topic or conversation) is in respect to the game this weekend against Fremantle, not let’s bash Max King following his 2 games back from injury.

Should be coming through Sandringham. He needs strength and conditioning.
He's offering very little playing underdone and injured in the senior team.
Caminiti offers more as a full forward at the moment, he is adequate cover.

 

[LennyHayes77]

Or Rooey.

Rooey isn't the player for him to try to emulate. I honestly am not sure who Max is most comparable to but he needs to find an elite player that he believes he can model his game on.

 

[Saint Watto]

Re Maxy and his form; I don't think enough people realise how long it can take to mentally recover from injuries. Just look at Hunter Clark and how injuries have affected his development. Max has had a few bad ones and it can honestly take months, even a year or 2 with a clean run at it before the niggling intrusive thoughts are completely gone from someone's mind and they can play free and natural footy.

I also think he must have gone to the same school as me. In the fact that it's not cool to try. I don't think he doesn't try but it's almost like he doesn't want to be seen doing the hard yards, make it look like everything is easy for him.

Either way, you can see he's overthinking things out on the field and he needs to just relax and get back to enjoying playing.

A great post there LH77.

Atm,I'm keeping my powder dry re Max.

It's very easy to forget what injuries he's had over the last 1.5 seasons.

How many players in the comp have had over the last 1.5 years... 2 shoulder reco jobs....a knee issue and a suspension.

My point is that big Maxy has had very little continuity.

Yes....from the outside .....his posture etc looks anything but good......it at times looks shocking.

I keep thinking back to that game at Optus in 2021 against the Weagles.

Big pack marks and woofing it in from about the 50(that's why I have believed that he's better suited to playing CHF)

You don't just lose your ability....other factors come into play.

For anyone who has read David Misson's book "The Bubble" (a tad depressing re the 2010 season.....we all know the ending of that movie)_he describes in detail the trouble with getting inured pre Xmas.......post Xmas pre season leading up to the season start and during the season proper.

Your always playing "catch up"

Like several of our players are doing right now.

 

[akaifu]

In: Caminiti, Dow
Out: Hayes (managed), Hastie

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

Rooey isn't the player for him to try to emulate. I honestly am not sure who Max is most comparable to but he needs to find an elite player that he believes he can model his game on.

Needs to put on 30kgs and a mullet and go full g train

 

[Saint12]

Another fine specimend player in the RWB

 

[Saint Watto]

Needs to put on 30kgs and a mullet and go full g train

Now that's a very scary thought.

 

[seasonedsainter]

The Boss isn’t very cuddly today. Extremely vocal and running the drills for a change.

Good!

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Ross really swung the axe

 

[Jezzarayman]

Just a few changes

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Wow I think rtb listened to me.

 

[TheNewEnsign]

In: Everyone.
Out: Everyone Else.

 

[Max the great]

Lmfao Jones. This club is pathetic

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[ihaveacrushonratts]

I like the changes - few ins with points to prove

 

[g_TRAIN]

I hope Collard gets a full game. Not that he really earnt it last week but keen to see him anyway

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Lmfao Jones. This club is pathetic

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Who would you rather him or Ross? I reckon he’ll be sub anyway nothing too get too upset over

 

[DougalHoward]

I hope Collard gets a full game. Not that he really earnt it last week but keen to see him anyway

Named on the ground

edit:Nah actually not, I'd think Jones, Pou or Paton would make better subs though