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Has absolutely nothing t do with the mids. Cox and Mihocek were getting beaten pointblank all game until Davis got injured. They inspire absolutely zero confidence in the midfield as they can’t beat their man and are getting out marked so the mids are hesitant and don’t want to pull the trigger
Whilst Mihocek and Cox had bad ones, dropping lots of marks, our issue is often the third tall defender peeling off and dominating. Haynes killed us and a lot of that comes down to the defensive efforts or play reading of WHE and JDG. If Mayne could regain the ability to convert simple shots, I'd love to see him replace WHE up forward in a more defensive role than the way WHE plays it.
 
All the Wills hate is rubbish. Him and Adams were the only two guys who looked like they wanted the ball around stoppages, not to mention his tackle pressure was a plus given the amount of times GWS spread easily from a contest. He's not a star, but once again everyone is acting as though Sier is some proven gun and twice the player of Wills. Criticisms of Wills being a limited footballer can be applied to Sier just as easily.

You obviously haven't seen much of Sier - he's a great reader of the ball in stoppages, doesn't fumble, quick thinker and has great vision. He is a massive upgrade on Wills.
 
All the Wills hate is rubbish. Him and Adams were the only two guys who looked like they wanted the ball around stoppages, not to mention his tackle pressure was a plus given the amount of times GWS spread easily from a contest. He's not a star, but once again everyone is acting as though Sier is some proven gun and twice the player of Wills. Criticisms of Wills being a limited footballer can be applied to Sier just as easily.

Yeah, I tend to agree. Sier’s best is still better than Wills’ best, but we haven’t seen it in 18 months. Wills at least you know exactly what he brings - total commitment.
 

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I never said specficially at the contest. There are other areas where they could've outworked us. For a lot of the night, most of our forward line were stagnant and didn't move, and didn't chase or put on pressure.

You said effort was poor and we were outworked as I highlighted in your post.
If you don't understand that contested possession is an "effort" stat then I can't help you.
To add to the point We were +15 in tackles and +10 in Fwd 50 tackles, so I can't see your point.
 
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I cant see how we can keep persisting with Cox
1 mark late in the game....
Seriously it did upset our mix last night.
He makes us worse not better.

His ruck work was also disgraceful at the centre bounces. He looks scared. He has no physicality and the effort at ground level in the first term was pure lazy.
 
We lost by 2 pts and the worlds ended.m


You are still having a cry. Go and follow Melb or Carlton, your attitude is Terrible.
Yes it is. I think I have hit a wall. The injury to Howe was the final straw. Feel free to brand me a sook and poor supporter. I am simply stating how I feel. If you check my history of posts you will find I am generally very supportive and optimistic about my club (other than it shocking record with injuries). I have been a very loyal supporter and defender of Bucks and countless players who are often torn apart on these threads. Our history with injuries and falling short in grand finals is not something I cooked up in a moment of frustration, they are sadly, cold stone facts. I suppose it wears you down after 57 years of attending, supporting and bleeding for the black and white.
 
Even when we win, we never seem to play attractive or quality football. My theory is that the standard in the AFL has dropped quite dramatically over the years to the point where it's no longer the best team who wins the premiership, but instead the least sh*t team. Game plans now revolve around who can pressure the opposition the most to make them as sh*t as possible on the day. If we can accept this, maybe then we can just appreciate when we do win.
 
Yes it is. I think I have hit a wall. The injury to Howe was the final straw. Feel free to brand me a sook and poor supporter. I am simply stating how I feel. If you check my history of posts you will find I am generally very supportive and optimistic about my club (other than it shocking record with injuries). I have been a very loyal supporter and defender of Bucks and countless players who are often torn apart on these threads. Our history with injuries and falling short in grand finals is not something I cooked up in a moment of frustration, they are sadly, cold stone facts. I suppose it wears you down after 57 years of attending, supporting and bleeding for the black and white.

You just need perspective. We lost by 2 pts to GWS who regained Green and kelly and played them at home. We played poorly yet should have won save from poor goal kicking. It’s our first loss and we haven’t played any horrible teams. Losing Howe sucks but Richmond managed without rance we can to. look at the positives. Losing the GF and prelim by 1 goal sucks, but atlwast we’ve been there as still are. We have good depth and can and still will push for this years flag.

I just can’t fathom the negatively from losing by 2 pts to last years runners up from some in this forum given we’ve been great so far. all I’ve seen this year is our best is good enough to win the flag. No team will go undefeated during the year and most will suffer atlwast one huge injury.

The comp is tough, Carlton beat geel at home, there no easy games and some people expect to win every game by 10goals.

If we were flogged by 10 goals then maybe I can understand criticisms, but geeze.
 
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Even when we win, we never seem to play attractive or quality football. My theory is that the standard in the AFL has dropped quite dramatically over the years to the point where it's no longer the best team who wins the premiership, but instead the least sh*t team. Game plans now revolve around who can pressure the opposition the most to make them as sh*t as possible on the day. If we can accept this, maybe then we can just appreciate when we do win.

I was thinking about this the other day. Can't deny the skillfulness of footy nowadays, but it really is a poorer spectacle compared to earlier football, especially 1990s.

That's not a nostalgic view. I try and avoid nostalgia, and instead the trick is to indulge in a bit of amnesia instead, to forget about earlier football in order to make today's game more palatable.

It's still better than curling.
 

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I was thinking about this the other day. Can't deny the skillfulness of footy nowadays, but it really is a poorer spectacle compared to earlier football, especially 1990s.

That's not a nostalgic view. I try and avoid nostalgia, and instead the trick is to indulge in a bit of amnesia instead, to forget about earlier football in order to make today's game more palatable.

It's still better than curling.

That because there is too many Players around the Ball and No Longer have 1v1 Battles like they use too
 
Go follow another team then!

We’re one of the best few teams in it with or without Howe, we’ll be right up there at the end of the season and with a bit of luck could easily win the flag. Just enjoy the seasons when we’re winning games and have a chance at a premiership. It’s much better than being a Carlton or Melbourne and languishing at the bottom of the ladder year after year.


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Oh stop it with the comparisons with Carlton and Melbourne. At least when they do contend they win flags more often than not. Watch one of these two clubs pop up as a contender in the next two or three years and grab a flag after we have been contending or "thereabouts" for years. Funny how you mention "a little bit of luck" and winning a flag. When have those two things ever come together for the Collingwood football club? Before anyone mentions the bounce of the ball in the 2010 GF-that gained us a draw and simply prevented us from suffering yet another humiliating loss after a fade out in a grand final. The term Colliwobbles didn't emerge for no reason.

If you are happy simply contending year after year then you have very different expectations to me. Ask the Hawthorn fans if they would have been just as happy simply being competitive and making regular finals appearances rather than winning multiple flags.

I'd take just one at this stage.
 
Even when we win, we never seem to play attractive or quality football. My theory is that the standard in the AFL has dropped quite dramatically over the years to the point where it's no longer the best team who wins the premiership, but instead the least sh*t team. Game plans now revolve around who can pressure the opposition the most to make them as sh*t as possible on the day. If we can accept this, maybe then we can just appreciate when we do win.
The standard hasn't dropped-the coaches have created this defensive mindset which takes precedence over attacking flair and high scoring. I watched the Saints demolish the Dogs a couple of weeks ago and they were brilliant to watch. They come up against our defensive machine and kick five goals in perfect conditions. We kicked two goals to their one in the entire second half. But we won. So Buckley is thrilled and the boring, grinding defensive mindset continues.
 
The standard hasn't dropped-the coaches have created this defensive mindset which takes precedence over attacking flair and high scoring. I watched the Saints demolish the Dogs a couple of weeks ago and they were brilliant to watch. They come up against our defensive machine and kick five goals in perfect conditions. We kicked two goals to their one in the entire second half. But we won. So Buckley is thrilled and the boring, grinding defensive mindset continues.

Valid point, but that doesn't account for the embarrassment that is set shot goal kicking.
 

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The fact Cameron would be thinking they got out of jail should give people some perspective about our performance and competitiveness against the most talent team in the AFL.

Play Will Kelly
 
You obviously haven't seen much of Sier - he's a great reader of the ball in stoppages, doesn't fumble, quick thinker and has great vision. He is a massive upgrade on Wills.

The problem with Sier is he is a worse two way runner than Beams, which says a lot.

Last time he played (well that I recall seeing him live) was against GWS last year and he just didn't want to work. Long way to go yet.
 
You obviously haven't seen much of Sier - he's a great reader of the ball in stoppages, doesn't fumble, quick thinker and has great vision. He is a massive upgrade on Wills.

I like Sier and I'd like to see him in the team and that probably does come at Wills' expense, however I'm not seeing what makes him so much better than Rupert. Re-watch the game, a number of times last night Wills was the only guy on our team to actually take a tackle and get his arms free, rather than just dropping the ball like most did. IMO Wills has pretty good vision and he was relatively clean last night compared to some, plus his tackling and pressure acts are probably rated pretty highly internally. It also seems that most people seem to be judging Sier off what he did in late 2018, the coaches obviously think he still has some stuff to work on.
 
Getting a bit sick of the Sidebottom can shake a tag talk through the media, despite the numbers indicating as such - it’s time we made life tough for the taggers. They seem to get a free ride.

Hopefully Greenwood is back in this side soon, send him on the ball and provide some protection. People need to block and help Steele out.
 
Getting a bit sick of the Sidebottom can shake a tag talk through the media, despite the numbers indicating as such - it’s time we made life tough for the taggers. They seem to get a free ride.

Hopefully Greenwood is back in this side soon, send him on the ball and provide some protection. People need to block and help Steele out.

Greenwood would add the Toughness and Mature Body we seem to be Lacking
 
We've been a real chance at least twenty times since I've been following the Pies. Nothing to be excited about. Lots of sides are a real chance at the moment but most contenders haven't just lost one of their key playmakers for the best part of the season. His most likely replacements (Dunn and Langdon) are both coming off terrible knee injuries and the third in line has had three (or is it four) knee reconstructions! Good old Collingwood forever! Some things never change. Maybe Reidy has one last hurrah left in him and is ready to fill the breach as a floating defender...oh wait..he's still recovering from a calf, or was it a hammy? :)
so true, depressing but nailed it.
 

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