Round 8 Teams

[Russian]

Will finish off the round 6 and 7 scores either when I get home tonight or, if I'm half asleep by then, tomorrow morning. Therefore it's another suspension-less week.

Coburg Shitkickers vs West Coast
Sydney Broncos vs SWR Mastiffs
North Melbourne Saints vs Western Vultures
Geelong vs Port Adelaide
Rottnest Razorbacks vs Melbourne
Gold Coast Crocs vs Southern Stingrays
Brisbane Bears vs Carlton Lions
Adelaide vs Collingwood

 

[peterss]

Rottnest Round 8 Side -V- Melbourne

FB: Farren Ray (67) - Jarrad Waite (97) - Andrew Raines (39)
HB: Joel MacDonald (76) - Beau Dowler (62) - Brett Jones (47)
C: Jarryd Morton (65) - Adam Simpson - Jason Winderlich (90)
HF: Aaron Davey (107) - Matthew Pavlich (146) - Stephen Hill (28)
FF: Eddie Betts (73) - Ben McKinley (73) - Adam Schneider (87)

RR: Kurt Tippett (69) - Brad Sewell (122) - Brock McLean (129)

INT: Scott Selwood - Mitch Brown (WCE) - Chris Yarran - Robert Eddy - Will Schofield

 

[Virgil]

Collingwood Round 8 Starting XVIII

FB Brent Reilly - Zac Dawson - Josh Drummond FB
HB Grant Birchall - Luke McPharlin - Heath Scotland HB
CE Cale Morton - Brendan Goddard - Chris Knights CE
HF Stuart Dew - Heath Grundy - Paul Duffield HF
FF Leon Davis - Chris Tarrant - Jason Akermanis FF
RR Jesse White - Nathan van Berlo - Chad Cornes RR

INT Steven Milne - Ben McGlynn - Richard Tambling INT
INT Alwyn Davey - Jaxson Barham - Brent Macaffer INT

​

IN: Chris Tarrant, Zac Dawson, Jesse White
OUT: Travis Cloke, Alex Rance, Josh Fraser

 

[iampig]

SWR Mastiffs R8 Team


FB ~ A.McLeod ~ T.Harley ~ S.Cox
HB ~ H.Shaw ~ P.Ryder ~ J.Harbrow
MF ~ A.Cooney ~ S.Pendlebury ~ N.Dal Santo
HF ~ B.Peake ~ M.Kruezer ~ M.Robinson
FF ~ N.Lovett-Murray ~ W.Tredrea ~ J.Hill
OB ~ D.Brogan ~ J.Adcock ~ M.White

I/C ~ Brad Ebert ~ R.Cook ~ J.Riewoldt ~ D.Armitage
~ T.Williams

In ~ T.Harley ~ S.Cox ~ M.Robinson


Out ~ T.Williams (axd) ~ J.Riewoldt (drp) ~ C.Hinkley (axd)


UnaVaidable ~ C.Stokes ~ A.Didak

 

[Marklar_33]

Sydney Broncos

B: 22.Max ROOKE (GEEL) - 20.Ted RICHARDS (SYD) - 30.Daniel PRATT (NMFC)
HB: 40.Nathan EAGLETON (WB) - 1.Scott STEVENS (ADEL) - 23.Daniel JACKSON (RICH)
C: 21.Sharrod WELLINGHAM (COLL) - 2.Andrew MCQUALTER (STK) - 24.Scott HARDING (BL)
HF: 13.Jack GRIMES (MELB) - 9.John ANTHONY (COLL) - 8.Amon BUCHANAN (SYD)
F: 6.Matthew BATE (MELB) - 18.Aaron EDWARDS (NMFC) - 33.Jarred MOORE (SYD)
R: 31.Aaron SANDILANDS (FREM) - 36.Dane SWAN (COLL) - 14.Cheynee STILLER (BL)

INT: 11.Ed BARLOW (SYD) - 37.Tom BELLCHAMBERS (ESS) - 5.Nick MAXWELL (COLL) - 28.Danny STANLEY (COLL) - 44.Shane VALENTI (MELB) - 16.Jay NASH (ESS) - 7.Will MINSON (WB)

 

[BW]

B: G.Urquhart, S.Fisher, S.McMahon
HB: C.Bruce, M.Firrito, J.Geary
C: L.Montagna, M.Boyd, T.Cotchin
HF: B.Vince, M.Lloyd, D.Pearce
F: C.Sylvia, J.Roughead, M.Clark
R: D.Petrie, D.Zaharakis, T.Johnstone
I/C: A.Collins, D.Beams, A.Maric, K.Jack

 

[loopy_cam]

MELBOURNE Team V Rottnest

B: Doughty, Hargrave, Hocking
HB: Dempsey, Milburn, Gilbert
C: Swallow, Goodwin, Wells
HF: Solomon, N. Riewoldt, Dyson
F: S. Lonergan, M. Morton, Logan
R: Simmonds, J. Bolton, Corey
I/C: Rutten, Myers, Wright, Hooker, Neagle, Wood, Thurstans

Ins: Morton
Outs: Neagle

 

[Roylion]

Carlton Lions - Round 8 team

B: Ashley McGrath, Daniel Merrett, Brendan Whitecross
HB: Adam Selwood, Joel Patfull, Kristian Thornton,
C: Shannon Hurn, Michael Rischitelli, Rhyce Shaw
HF: James Polkinghorne, Quinten Lynch, Leroy Jetta
F: Mark Seaby, Daniel Bradshaw, Rhan Hooper,
R: Robert Campbell, Brent Renouf, Albert Proud,
I: Liam Shiels, Josh Smith, Ryan Brabazon, Cameron Wight,

IN: Leroy Jetta, Liam Shiels
OUT: Adam Hunter (shoulder), Anthony Rocca (groin),

INJURED:

* Josh Hunt (knee - season)
* Rhys Palmer (knee - season)
* Sean Dempster - (knee - indefinite)
* Xavier Ellis - (foot - indefinite)
* Lachlan Hansen (hamstring 3-5 weeks)
* Matthew Richardson (hamstring - 9-11 weeks)
* Andrew Carazzo (hamstring - 1 week)
* Adam Hunter (shoulder - indefinite)
* Anthony Rocca (groin - indefinite)

Others:
Scott Clouston,
Taylor Hunt
Shaun McKernan
Steven Motlop
Wayde Skipper
James Strauss
Jack Watts
Cameron Wight

Rookies:
Adam Campbell

UNAVAILABLE:
Michael Braun (retired)
Wayde Mills (delisted)
Nic Fosdike (retired)

 

[GeeCat]

Geelong Football Club

B: Ricky Petterd - Matthew Scarlett - Dale Morris
HB: Jimmy Bartel - Scott Thompson - Brett Meredith
C: Chris Masten - Joel Selwood - Shaun Higgins
HF: Cameron Mooney - Tom Hawkins - Cyril Rioli
F: Jason Davenport - Lance Franklin - Steven King

R: Mark Blake - Marc Murphy - Daniel Rich

Inter: Shane Edwards

 

[Russian]

B: Guerra, Mackenzie, Mattner
HB: Griffen, Dodd, M.Motlop
C: Kelly, Ling, Lockyer
HF: Osborne, T.Walker, R.O'Keefe
F: S.Johnson, Hale, Rodan
R: P.Johnson, Hayes, Harris

In: Guerra, Motlop, Mackenzie
Out: O'Loughlin, Hall, Surjan

I: Surjan, O'Loughlin, Hall, Foster

 

[sausageroll]

Gold Coast v Stingrays

B: J.Blake, B.Lake, L.Gilbee
HB: S.Baker, B.Thornton, D.Mundy
C: J.Watson, T.Tuck, H.Hartlett
HF: M.Hahn, J.Brown, B.Deledio
F: D.Wirrapanda, R.Robertson, N.Krakouer
R: B.Hudson, D.Cross, J.McVeigh
Int: J.Gibson, A.Pattison, R.Hadley, S.Browne, C.Ward

In: H.Hartlett, S.Baker
Out: T.Selwood, N.Malceski

Not Available:
Troy Selwood
Nick Malceski
Scott Lucas
Corey Jones
Steven Browne
Bradd Dalziell
David Hille
Robert Shirley
Michael Hurley
Jason Laycock
Tim Schmidt
Tyrone Vickery
Sam Blease
Liam Jones
Tom Gillies
Jarrad Boumann
Rookie List
Pearce Hanley - Activated
Thomas German
Riley Milne

 

[Elite Pete]

SOUTHERN STINGRAYS vs gold coast

FB:Newman, Pears, Symes
HB:Enright, McPhee, Brennan
C: Byrnes, R Murphy, Corrie
HF:B Fisher, L Brown, Medhurst
FF:Lade, Kennedy, Motlop
R: Taylor, Cousins, Rawlings.
BENCH: Slattery, Stewart, Begley, N Smith,

IN Fisher, Rawlings
OUT Watt, Slattery

Others
Meyer (rookie)
Thoolen (rookie)
Watt (vfl)
Lobbe (sanfl)

INJURY LIST
Paul Medhurst (ankle) - test
Jarryd Allen (torn hip muscle) indefinite
Liam Anthony (foot) - 1 weeks
Hayden Ballantyne (wrist) - 1 weeks
Paul Wheatley (quad) - 1 weeks
Campbell Heath (knee) season
Andrew Walker (shoulder) indefinite
Brad Green (broken jaw) - 1-3 weeks
Hayden Skipworth (hamstring) - test
Ryan Crowley (foot) - to be determined

 

[sante]

Western Vultures Round 8 Line-Up vs Nth Melbourne Saints

B: Nick Suban - Kelvin Moore - Paul Bevan
HB: Nick Stevens - Paul Bower - Peter Burgoyne
C: Craig Bird - Brent Stanton - Ben Ross
HF: Garrick Ibbotson - Cameron Cloke - Matt Thomas
F: Robbie Gray - Michael Johnson - Paul Chapman

1R: Dean Cox - Nathan Foley - Matthew Priddis

Int: Clint Bartram - Aaron Joseph - Kyle Cheney - Lynden Dunn - Will Thursfield

IN: Craig Bird - Nick Suban
OUT: Clint Bartram - Lynden Dunn

 

[=KaNga=]

West Coast, Round 8:

B: David Wojcinski – Craig Bolton - Andrew Mackie
HB: Bryce Gibbs - Thomas Murphy - Domenic Cassisi
C: Kade Simpson - Travis Boak - Jordan Lewis
HF: Chance Bateman - Mark Williams - Matthew Rosa
F: Clinton Jones – Justin Koschitzke – Jason Porplyzia

R: Hamish McIntosh - Tyson Edwards - Mark Coughlan

INT: David MacKay, Matthew Whelan, Chad Fletcher, Ed Lower, Luke Ablett, Ash Hansen, Sam Sheldon

IN: NO CHANGE
Out:


Others:

Jared Rivers
John Meeson
Darren Glass
Marcus Drum
Nick Salter
Kepler Bradley
Mitch Farmer
Joe Anderson
Rhys O'Keeffe
Paul Cahill
Tom Rockliff

Rookies:

Matt Spangher
Benjamin Speight

Injuries:

Brent Harvey (Injured)
Tadgh Kennelly (gaylick)
Daniel Bell (Injured)
Brad Ottens (Injured)

 

[andrew_embley]

ADELAIDE

FB: Graham Johncock - Alipate Carlile - Byron Schammer
B: Brent Moloney - Harry O'Brien - Bachar Houli
C: Luke Ball - James McDonald - Paul Hasleby
F: Shane O'Bree - Adam Goodes - Scott Thompson (adel)
FF: Mark LeCras - Brendan Fevola - Nathan G Brown
RUCK: Darren Jolly - Chris Judd - Kane Cornes
INTER: Mark Nicoski - Adam Cockie - Jordan Russell - Nathan Jones - Andrew Embley - Dennis Armfield

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Brisbane Bears:

B: James Gwilt - Harry Taylor - Roger Hayden
HB: Campbell Brown - Troy Chaplin - Joel Bowden
C: Patrick Dangerfield - Sam Mitchell (c) - Angus Monfries
HF: Travis Varcoe - Brad Miller - Lindsay Thomas
F: Matthew Stokes - Brad Johnson - Steele Sidebottom
R: Ben McEvoy - Simon Black (vc) - Luke Power
INT: Stefan Martin - Tom Lonergan - Dean Polo - Andy Otten

IN: Steele Sidebottom - Dean Polo
OUT: Nathan Djerrkura - Tim Notting

 

[00Stinger]

North Melbourne Saints
FB- Martin Clarke, Scott Thornton, Antoni Grover.
HB- Jordan McMahon, Luke McGuane, Robin Nahas.
C- Jason Gram, Brett Kirk, Leigh Harding.
HF-D.Giansiracusa, Scott Welsh, Justin Sherman.
FF- Matt Austin, Brett Ebert, Sam Butler.
FOL- Brad Moran, Andrew Lovett, Shane Tuck.
INT-Ralph Clarke

 

[Marklar_33]

Nice of the new North coach to become carded

Got any pull there Russian?

 

[Russian]

Not the greatest start

But he did get a win - lots of upsets this week with the Shitkickers losing and the Bears and Saints winning for the first time this season

Coburg Shitkickers (1515) vs West Coast (1662)
Matthew Boyd - 131
Travis Johnstone - 124
Leigh Montagna - 122
Bernie Vince - 105
Colin Sylvia - 105
Danyle Pearce - 104
Mitchell Clark - 94
Cameron Bruce - 85
Drew Petrie - 78
Jarryd Roughead - 75
Jarryn Geary ® - 75
Sam Fisher - 75
Matthew J Lloyd - 69
Gavin Urquhart - 68
Scott McMahon - 67
Trent Cotchin - 63
David Zaharakis - 44
Michael Firrito - 31
Reserves
Kieren Jack - 80
Jamie McNamara - 65
Shaun Hampson - 62
Andrew Collins - 57
Addam Maric - 50
Michael Pettigrew - 49
Matt Riggio - 42
Dayne Beams - 37

Kade Simpson - 133
Travis Boak - 127
Bryce Gibbs - 118
Tyson Edwards (v) - 117
Mark Coughlan - 111
Domenic Cassisi - 102
Andrew Mackie - 101
Jason Porplyzia - 100
Chance Bateman - 98
Hamish McIntosh - 97
Justin Koschitzke - 84
Jordan Lewis - 82
Clinton Jones - 81
David Wojcinski - 72
Craig Bolton - 71
Mark L Williams - 62
Thomas Murphy - 60
Matt Rosa - 46
Reserves
David MacKay - 130
Matthew Whelan - 90
Sam Sheldon - 58
Luke Ablett - 48
Ed Lower - 47
Darren Glass - 42

Sydney Broncos (1370) vs SWR Mastiffs (1341)
Aaron Sandilands - 108
Dane Swan - 97
Jack Grimes - 95
Daniel Jackson - 93
Ted Richards - 92
Matthew Bate - 91
Max Rooke - 89
Nick Maxwell - 86 (for Pratt)
Nathan Eagleton - 78
Jarred Moore - 77
Jack Anthony - 72
Aaron Edwards - 72
Sharrod Wellingham - 68
Cheynee Stiller - 57
Scott Harding - 55
Andrew McQualter - 52
Amon Buchanan - 46
Scott Stevens - 42
Reserves
Will Minson - 65
Shane Valenti - 45
Sam Power - 26
Tom Bellchambers - 15

Warren Tredrea - 138
Mitch Robinson - 100
Scott Pendlebury - 92
Matthew Kreuzer - 85
Andrew McLeod (v) - 82
Jed Adcock - 82
Adam Cooney - 81
Heath Shaw - 80
Nick Dal Santo - 73
Nathan Lovett-Murray - 72
Matthew White - 70
Tom Harley - 67
Jarrod Harbrow - 62
Brett Peake - 57
Josh Hill - 57
Patrick Ryder - 52
Dean Brogan (v) - 51
Shannon Cox - 40
Reserves
Ryan Cook - 56
Ben Reid - 39
Matthew DeBoer - 35
Clayton Hinkley - 28
Tom L Williams - 27

North Melbourne Saints (1366) vs Western Vultures (1282)
Justin Sherman - 162
Shane Tuck - 118
Brett Ebert - 100
Daniel Giansiracusa - 97
Brett Kirk - 93
Andrew Lovett - 91
Scott Welsh - 88
Robin Nahas - 81
Sam Butler - 78
Martin Clarke - 72
Brad Moran - 66
Leigh Harding - 63
Antoni Grover - 61
Jason Gram - 56
Matt Austin - 53
Scott Thornton - 52
Luke McGuane - 35
nobody (for McMahon)
No Reserves

Dean Cox - 129
Peter Burgoyne (v) - 98
Nick Stevens - 92
Paul Bower - 90
Ben Ross - 85
Matt Thomas - 79
Nathan Foley - 75
Michael Johnson - 71
Paul Bevan - 69
Matt Priddis - 66
Robert Gray - 61
Kelvin W Moore - 61
Craig Bird - 57
Brent Stanton - 56
Clint Bartram - 56 (for Chapman)
Nick Suban - 47
Garrick Ibbotson - 45
Lynden Dunn - 45 (for Cloke)
Reserves
Kyle Cheney - 84
Aaron Joseph - 31
Angus Graham ® - 27

Geelong (1273) vs Port Adelaide (1331)
Jimmy Bartel - 139
Matthew Scarlett - 110
Marc Murphy - 107
Joel Selwood - 105
Daniel Rich - 83
Cyril Rioli - 82
Lance Franklin - 74
Mark Blake - 73
Scott D Thompson - 73
Tom Hawkins - 71
Cameron Mooney (v) - 69
Chris Masten - 69
Dale Morris - 60
Steven King (v) - 47
Jason Davenport - 40
Ricky Petterd - 39
Brett Meredith - 32
nobody (for Higgins)
Reserves
Matthew Warnock - 40

Lenny Hayes - 147
James Kelly - 131
Steve Johnson - 124
Paul A Johnson - 114
Ryan O'Keefe - 110
Cameron Ling - 85
Tarkyn Lockyer (v) - 82
Ryan Griffen - 79
Michael Osborne - 71
David Hale - 68
Martin Mattner - 58
Daniel Harris - 46
Jacob Surjan - 44 (for Motlop)
David Rodan - 42
Brent Guerra - 39
Eric MacKenzie - 33
Steven Dodd - 31
Taylor Walker - 27
Reserves
Barry Hall (v) - 83
Michael K O'Loughlin - 71

Rottnest Razorbacks (1434) vs Melbourne (1331)
Matthew Pavlich - 146
Brock McLean - 129
Brad Sewell - 122
Aaron Davey - 107
Jarrad Waite - 97
Jason Winderlich - 90
Adam Schneider - 87
Joel MacDonald - 76
Eddie Betts - 73
Ben McKinley - 73
Kurt Tippett - 69
Farren Ray - 67
Jarryd Morton - 65
Beau Dowler - 62
Adam Simpson - 57
Brett Jones - 47
Andrew Raines - 39
Stephen Hill - 28
Reserves
Michael Jamison ® - 61
Scott Selwood - 51
Chris Yarran - 36
Mitchell Brown (WC) - 34

Jude Bolton - 121
Nick Riewoldt - 106
Ricky Dyson - 104
Joel Corey - 104
Courtenay Dempsey - 97
Simon Goodwin - 94
Michael Doughty - 89
Heath Hocking - 88
Sam Gilbert - 84
Dean Solomon - 80
Mitch Morton - 78
Cale Hooker - 54 (for Hargrave)
Sam Lonergan - 53
Troy Simmonds - 46
Sam Wright - 44 (for Wells)
Andrew Swallow - 39
Tom Logan - 36
Darren D Milburn - 14
Reserves
Cameron Wood - 64
Ben Rutten - 45
David Myers - 45
Jay Neagle - 38

Gold Coast Crocs (1255) vs Southern Stingrays (1050)
Jobe Watson - 133
Lindsay Gilbee - 106
Bret Thornton - 96
Jarrad McVeigh - 96
Brett Deledio - 92
Ben Hudson - 80
Jason Blake - 78
Brian Lake - 74
Daniel Cross - 69
Mitchell Hahn - 64
Jonathan Brown - 61
Hamish Hartlett - 60
Russell Robertson - 49
David Wirrpanda - 45
Nathan Krakouer - 40
David Mundy - 38
Steven Baker - 38
Travis Tuck - 36
Reserves
Joshua Gibson - 91
Steven Browne - 59
Richard Hadley - 58

Josh J Kennedy - 101
Adam McPhee - 93
Ben Cousins - 90
Brad Symes - 89
Tayte Pears - 89
Shannon Byrnes - 89
Chris Newman - 82
Henry Slattery - 79 (for Rawlings)
Corey Enright - 78
Jared Brennan - 56
Simon A Taylor - 41
Daniel Motlop - 41
Brendon Lade - 39
Robert Murphy - 36
Leigh Brown - 24
Anthony Corrie - 23
nobody (for Fisher)
nobody (for Medhurst)
No Reserves

Brisbane Bears (1242) vs Carlton Lions (873)
Sam Mitchell - 141
Simon Black (v) - 103
Mathew Stokes - 100
Harry Taylor - 99
Travis Varcoe - 81
Lindsay Thomas - 80
Luke Power - 62
Steele Sidebottom - 61
Troy Chaplin - 61
Stefan Martin - 60 (for McEvoy)
James Gwilt - 59
Brad Johnson (v) - 59
Joel Bowden - 53
Brad J Miller - 52
Campbell Brown - 48
Patrick Dangerfield - 44
Angus Monfries - 41
Roger Hayden - 38
Reserves
Richard Douglas - 84
Andy Otten - 75
Alan Toovey - 65
Tom Lonergan - 51
Ryan Murphy - 51
Dean Polo - 33

Rhyce Shaw - 108
Quinten Lynch - 106
Daniel Bradshaw - 97
Albert Proud - 67
Adam Selwood - 63
Brendan Whitecross - 61
Ashley McGrath - 58
James Polkinghorne - 54
Shannon Hurn - 52
Michael Rischitelli - 50
Mark Seaby - 50
Robert Campbell - 49
Joel Patfull - 31
Daniel Merrett - 27
nobody (for Hooper)
nobody (for Jetta)
nobody (for Renouf)
nobody (for Thornton)
No Reserves

Adelaide (1380) vs Collingwood (1356)
Chris Judd - 130
Brent Moloney - 125
Byron Schammer - 118
Adam Goodes - 102
Darren Jolly - 98
James I McDonald (v) - 90
Nathan G Brown - 86
Luke Ball - 83
Bachar Houli - 76
Paul Hasleby - 75
Shane O'Bree (v) - 61
Scott Thompson - 57
Graham Johncock - 56
Harry O'Brien - 50
Alipate Carlile - 49
Brendan Fevola - 45
Mark LeCras - 45
Kane Cornes - 34
Jordan Russell - 86
Reserves
Andrew Embley - 85
Nathan Jones - 70
Adam Cockie - 63
Mark Nicoski - 49
Nathan J Brown - 45
Andrejs Everitt - 42
Dennis Armfield - 40

Cale Morton - 128
Paul Duffield - 118
Brendon Goddard - 107
Jason Akermanis - 107
Grant Birchall - 85
Heath Scotland - 83
Josh Drummond - 80
Leon Davis - 78
Chad Cornes (v) - 77
Chris Knights - 73
Luke McPharlin - 66
Heath Grundy - 61
Stuart Dew - 60
Zac Dawson - 58
Nathan Van Berlo - 55
Chris Tarrant - 47
Brent Reilly - 46
Jesse White - 27
Reserves
Ben McGlynn - 114
Richard Tambling - 90
Todd Goldstein - 76
Stephen Milne - 59
Dylan Addison - 58
Alwyn Davey - 49
Simon Prestigiacomo (v) - 25
Jared Petrenko - 19

Ladder

[b]                          W  L D   F   PP Pts[/b]
Adelaide                  8  0 0 11650  0  32
Coburg Shitkickers        7  1 0 11946  0  28
Gold Coast Crocs          7  1 0 11012  0  28
West Coast                6  2 0 11627  0  24
Melbourne                 6  2 0 11065  0  24
Collingwood               5  3 0 11381  0  20
Rottnest Razorbacks       5  3 0 10986  0  20
Geelong                   4  4 0 10933  0  16
Western Vultures          3  5 0 10959  0  12
---------------------------------------------
SWR Mastiffs              3  5 0 10629  0  12
Sydney Broncos            3  5 0 10103  0  12
Port Adelaide             3  5 0  9737  0  12
Brisbane Bears            1  7 0  9698  0   4
Carlton Lions             1  7 0  8663  0   4
North Melbourne Saints    1  7 0  8417  0   4
Southern Stingrays        1  7 0  8375  0   4

 

[sausageroll]

Great to get another win but the boys really need to lift if we're going to keep winning!

 

[sante]

****ing Sherman scores 100pts more than he would any other week to pull off a win.

 

[peterss]

Good win for me again!

Sitting very pretty in the 8 now - Starting to open a few games gap betwene those just out of the 8.