Preview Round 9: Sydney vs. Collingwood

[Syd]

Be sure to allow extra time to wade through the Pies supporters rushing for the exits just after 3/4 time

Post of the thread

 

[baja]

how great was it to see jolly get absolutely towelled by pyke?? Loved jolly when he played for us but played an absolute shite game today, loved it.

I love Pyke as much as anyone but I really feel peoples man love for his achievement's blur the stats a bit. Yeah he was great no doubt and is getting better at a great rate of knots, anyway heres a few stats from Friday's game..

Hitouts Jolly 80% TOG 26 (27 to adv) Mumford 93% TOG 20(25 to adv) Pyke 91% TOG 22 (27 to adv)

Witts 4(0%)...


My point is that you couldn't really call it getting' towelled up'..
Gotta love his contested marking and one thing that is mist by a lot of posters especially as he is encouraged to give the ball off all the time is his kicking for goal, even when he was raw he was a very reliable kick for goal and he still is.
I feel more comfortable when he is lining up for goal than most.

 

[bungee]

Great game. I made it last by savouring each quarter like a box of Belgian chocolates. Delicious. Every sweet bite a lovely surprise.

Pies lowest 3/4 time score against Swans since 1918. Wow, some of the Pie ferals still had teeth back then.

Won last 2 games against the Pies. Now the hoodoo has become the hoodooed.

Won 2 of our last 3 at the MCG. The 'G' is becoming our house of pleasure, rather than pain.

Do we have any hoodoos left to break ? I think not.

 

[bungee]

I love Pyke as much as anyone but I really feel peoples man love for his achievement's blur the stats a bit. Yeah he was great no doubt and is getting better at a great rate of knots, anyway heres a few stats from Friday's game..

Hitouts Jolly 80% TOG 26 (27 to adv) Mumford 93% TOG 20(25 to adv) Pyke 91% TOG 22 (27 to adv)

Witts 4(0%)...


My point is that you couldn't really call it getting' towelled up'..
Gotta love his contested marking and one thing that is mist by a lot of posters especially as he is encouraged to give the ball off all the time is his kicking for goal, even when he was raw he was a very reliable kick for goal and he still is.
I feel more comfortable when he is lining up for goal than most.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

The eye does not lie. In the ruck and around the ground, Jolly was well and truly towelled.

 

[baja]

Lies, damn lies and statistics.
.

lol, I just wanted to use my newspaper stats to sound smarter than Grim..

 

[grimlock]

lol, I just wanted to use my newspaper stats to sound smarter than Grim..

Can you explain what the numbers mean. 26 hitouts with 27 to advantage ??

 

[CAS79]

Can you explain what the numbers mean. 26 hitouts with 27 to advantage ??

27 is percentage to advantage

 

[MF]

I love Pyke as much as anyone but I really feel peoples man love for his achievement's blur the stats a bit. Yeah he was great no doubt and is getting better at a great rate of knots, anyway heres a few stats from Friday's game..

Hitouts Jolly 80% TOG 26 (27 to adv) Mumford 93% TOG 20(25 to adv) Pyke 91% TOG 22 (27 to adv)

Witts 4(0%)...


My point is that you couldn't really call it getting' towelled up'..
Gotta love his contested marking and one thing that is mist by a lot of posters especially as he is encouraged to give the ball off all the time is his kicking for goal, even when he was raw he was a very reliable kick for goal and he still is.
I feel more comfortable when he is lining up for goal than most.

If you consider that Mumford and Pyke split the ruck duties 50/50 that means that Pyke and jolly would have had roughly 33 or so ruck contests vs each other and of those Pyke won roughly 20 to Jolly's 13.

He certainly looked like he won a lot more ruck duels than he lost on the night.

 

[baja]

27 is percentage to advantage

pretty sure he is taking the piss lol

 

[baja]

If you consider that Mumford and Pyke split the ruck duties 50/50 that means that Pyke and jolly would have had roughly 33 or so ruck contests vs each other and of those Pyke won roughly 20 to Jolly's 13.

He certainly looked like he won a lot more ruck duels than he lost on the night.

Im not following you boss? Really Wicked Steel?

 

[MF]

Im not following you boss? Really Wicked Steel?

Basically what I'm saying is that Jolly only got so many hitouts because he was involved in more ruck contests than Pyke was.

 

[The King!]

Pykes aura is not measurable by afl stats

 

[bedford]

Great to play this filth again at the G and nothing has changed , they are the ugliest pack of mother f erers ever

 

[premierpies13]

Applaud Goodes for what he did. Much respect. I know it sounds over the top but he is someone I can look at as motivation to be a good person.

 

[.Shotties.]

Hows that soft c**k Goodes

3 goals, 30 possessions, 11 marks, 3 votes, HOW ABOUT HIM?

 

[baja]

Basically what I'm saying is that Jolly only got so many hitouts because he was involved in more ruck contests than Pyke was.

I still don't understand the maths lol

 

[MF]

I still don't understand the maths lol

lol. Maybe stats aren't your thing?

 

[baja]

lol. Maybe stats aren't your thing?

shut up flog, they make me look smart no one was supposed to question me on them.

 

[RobbieK]

My point was that they have an equal number of injuries but due to good list management they have quality depth to cover them. You seem to agree!

We have a list that the vast majority of the league would love to have, a list that won the premiership last year and is currently sitting in fourth. This seems to be your pet issue, but is it really all that justified?

I'm not saying that you need to be ecstatic with the likes of White, Walsh or Armstrong (though in the case of the latter he really doesn't deserve all the heat he cops on here), but really, who has better 9th/10th/11th/12th choice defenders in the league? The reality of a salary-capped league is that no team can maintain as much depth as they would like and if you suffer a run of injuries all in the one position you are going to have a hard time covering it.

Maybe we should at least wait for the result of the match tomorrow night before writing off our depth as inferior to Collingwoods? And maybe we should consider the fact that we managed to go from a premiership in 2005 to a premiership in 2012 and that of that 2005 premiership team only LRT, O'Keefe, Jude Bolton and Goodes also played in 2012 (a turnover of 82% of the team) and that in that intervening period we played in the finals every year bar one...

Surely some good list management had to be involved in all of that, yeah?

Do we want to revisit the list management point...?

 

[swansfan51]

Do we want to revisit the list management point...?

I deliberately ignored your earlier post, but if you're going to persist then sure. Name 1 AFL capable ruckman in our reserves. Then name 1 AFL capable key defender. Its ok, I'll wait, and I don't even need multiples, just one will do.

Do you think halfback flanker was our biggest need? Because we picked several last year including with our first round selection, when several key position players and ruckmen were available. Purely my opinion here, but I thought we already had Shaw, Mattner, Malceski, Armstrong, Cunningham, Smith, Brown, Lockyer, and now Everitt.

I'm not here trying to argue that our club is crap. It clearly isn't, it is successful. That doesn't mean there aren't areas of weakness or areas where we can improve. And our failure to solidify ruck and key defensive depth is something I feel was an error.

 

[RobbieK]

I deliberately ignored your earlier post, but if you're going to persist then sure. Name 1 AFL capable ruckman in our reserves. Then name 1 AFL capable key defender. Its ok, I'll wait, and I don't even need multiples, just one will do.

Do you think halfback flanker was our biggest need? Because we picked several last year including with our first round selection, when several key position players and ruckmen were available. Purely my opinion here, but I thought we already had Shaw, Mattner, Malceski, Armstrong, Cunningham, Smith, Brown, Lockyer, and now Everitt.

I'm not here trying to argue that our club is crap. It clearly isn't, it is successful. That doesn't mean there aren't areas of weakness or areas where we can improve. And our failure to solidify ruck and key defensive depth is something I feel was an error.

The ruck. Seriously? We have great depth in the ruck. We have Mumford, Pyke and Tippett who are walk up starts as a ruckman in any team in the league, the very capable pinch hitting x-factor LRT, and White who performs very well as a tap ruckman in the NEAFL every week. What team has a better fifth choice ruckman than Jesse White? There isn't one.

I think if there is one area of weakness it is our key position stocks in defence. Richards, Grundy and LRT are our obvious three starting options. But if you look at our 190cm+ defenders that includes Johnson, Lockyer and Brown. Throw in Everitt as a utility. You can then add in rookie listers Rampe, who has been solid when asked to step up as a third tall in the seniors over the last month, and Xavier Richards. Xavier and Brown have both been consistently named in the bests for the reserves over the last couple of months. Again, you can say that half these players haven't been tested at AFL level. They haven't had to be, though. We have had enough depth and quality to cover the loss of LRT and Johnson and still not had to play Lockyer or Brown. Would I like more depth here? Sure, but what teams are in a better position? With Johnson, Shaw, LRT and Mattner all missing, clearly four of our top 8 defenders, we are using defenders 9, 10, 11 and 12 in the pecking order at the same time. That undermanned defence limited Collingwood to 55 points in a match, to their lowest score at 3/4 time since 1918. Guys like Rampe and Everitt came in and did jobs at AFL level on the weekend, and you would have been hard pressed to have found anyone at the start of the season that would have predicted that. Just like you would have been hard pressed to find people say the same about Johnson a couple of years back. There haven't been many opportunities for players to break into our backline recently, but when they have they have done well. If Richards or Grundy goes down will we struggle to cover them? Of course, but what team wouldn't if you took away 5 of their best 8 defenders?

Why did we go for half-back flankers? Because our game plan revolves around them and we have three guys that have been great but are coming towards the ends of their careers in Shaw, Mattner and Malcescki. Nick Smith is not a half-back flanker, he is shut-down small defender. Cunningham is a midfielder. Everitt is a utility. Brown and Lockyer are more like a Johnson than they are a Shaw or a Malcescki. Draft selections aren't just made for this year, they are made with the next 5 years in mind.

 

[zetz]

Pyke and Mumford would arguably not be walk up starts in the Eagles' team.

 

[RobbieK]

Pyke and Mumford would arguably not be walk up starts in the Eagles' team.

I suppose so. So, maybe I should rephrase that they would be walk up starts in to every team othe than the team with the two current AA ruckmen. Still, who is their ruckman if Cox, Naitanui and Lycett are injured? Someone with no AFL games, I suspect.

I also just realised I left Walsh out of the KPD discussion completely. Perhaps for the best...