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Chiwigi said:
Not in the UK, you'd swear England won it the way they still talk about Platts goal against Belgium and Gazza crying.

Was the best World Cup though. It was the end of the era before it became ALL about money, I guess it's success was also a reason so much money came in.
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It is association football that we are talking about. Nobody cares about England... :-D
 
Chiwigi said:
Not in the UK, you'd swear England won it the way they still talk about Platts goal against Belgium and Gazza crying.

Was the best World Cup though. It was the end of the era before it became ALL about money, I guess it's success was also a reason so much money came in.
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I still remember their song that year;
" We're playing for England...ING-ER-LAND!"
 
GremioPower said:
Not subtle at all!
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True!

I guess you're not old enough to have it as part of your memory, but that Brazilian team of 1982 was in my opinion the best they've ever had in the post-Pele era.

They were an absolute joy to watch but of course came unstuck on that one night in Barcelona, going down to Italy in what I still think to this day is the greatest game I've ever seen.
 
chachi11 said:
I still remember their song that year;
" We're playing for England...ING-ER-LAND!"
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You've got to hold and give, but do it at the right time!
You can be fast or slow, but you must get to the line.

Best sports song EVER, even if it was for 'them'.
 

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70sDinosaur said:
True!

I guess you're not old enough to have it as part of your memory, but that Brazilian team of 1982 was in my opinion the best they've ever had in the post-Pele era.

They were an absolute joy to watch but of course came unstuck on that one night in Barcelona, going down to Italy in what I still think to this day is the greatest game I've ever seen.
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I was only 9 years old but still have a vivid memory of it. Probably coz I remember my Dad got me decked out in 'Campione del Mondo' Merch..
Sorry GremioPower : )
 
70sDinosaur said:
True!

I guess you're not old enough to have it as part of your memory, but that Brazilian team of 1982 was in my opinion the best they've ever had in the post-Pele era.

They were an absolute joy to watch but of course came unstuck on that one night in Barcelona, going down to Italy in what I still think to this day is the greatest game I've ever seen.
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I was less than 2 years old. My first WC was actually 1990. Still, I have an opinion on the 1982 Brazil, if not only because in Brazil everybody does have one.

My dad thinks the 1982 squad is overrated, and I dislike some people who WORSHIP that team "ad nauseam". So I would advise taking my opinion with a grain of salt.

I joke that my political position is "Extreme Center" because I am always trying to reach the other side. So, I get it why people like the team. However, besides humiliating Argentina (Yes!), Brazil had no great game in that World Cup (although there could be an argument on v. SCO).

Basically, the confidence in that team before playing Italy was inflated by the derby win in comparison with Italy's poor form (who also had beaten the Argentine, let's not forget that). The match was more even than people give credit for. "The Tragedy of Sarriá" was far from being one.

I usually quote this article (https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/82-original-and-harshest-group-death) on this:

"Santana'™s Brazil are routinely described as the greatest team never to win the World Cup. In truth, they were the greatest midfield never to win a World Cup. They had a butter-fingered keeper and a leaky defence that left Rossi free in space for two goals.

Then there was third-choice striker Serginho who, though not the donkey some have claimed, could be so clumsy that even Santana said once, after substituting him in one game: 'Now the ball is round again.'"

In footy terms, Brazil would dominate disposals, get inside-50 at will, and score lots and lots of BEHINDS. Meanwhile, opponents wouldn't get the ball much, but if they managed to get inside-50, the goal would show itself wide open for them.

Now that I have said it, doesn't it sound somewhat familiar?!
 
chachi11 said:
My favourite...so many champion teams and players that year.
Schillaci goes from a bench player to a champion, Cameroon had skill and a 38 year old Roger Milla tearing it up. Maradonna etc etc...just a great tournament.
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Remember waking up just in time to see this guy announce himself on the big stage.

 
Harlott said:
Remember waking up just in time to see this guy announce himself on the big stage.

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The Martin Tyler commentary during this run is a thing of beauty..can't find it though.

I remember his commentary " Baggio...still Baggio....MY WORD... the most expensive player in the world shows why"
 
GremioPower said:
I was less than 2 years old. My first WC was actually 1990. Still, I have an opinion on the 1982 Brazil, if not only because in Brazil everybody does have one.

My dad thinks the 1982 squad is overrated, and I dislike some people who WORSHIP that team "ad nauseam". So I would advise taking my opinion with a grain of salt.

I joke that my political position is "Extreme Center" because I am always trying to reach the other side. So, I get it why people like the team. However, besides humiliating Argentina (Yes!), Brazil had no great game in that World Cup (although there could be an argument on v. SCO).

Basically, the confidence in that team before playing Italy was inflated by the derby win in comparison with Italy's poor form (who also had beaten the Argentine, let's not forget that). The match was more even than people give credit for. "The Tragedy of Sarriá" was far from being one.

I usually quote this article (https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/82-original-and-harshest-group-death) on this:

"Santana'™s Brazil are routinely described as the greatest team never to win the World Cup. In truth, they were the greatest midfield never to win a World Cup. They had a butter-fingered keeper and a leaky defence that left Rossi free in space for two goals.

Then there was third-choice striker Serginho who, though not the donkey some have claimed, could be so clumsy that even Santana said once, after substituting him in one game: 'Now the ball is round again.'"

In footy terms, Brazil would dominate disposals, get inside-50 at will, and score lots and lots of BEHINDS. Meanwhile, opponents wouldn't get the ball much, but if they managed to get inside-50, the goal would show itself wide open for them.

Now that I have said it, doesn't it sound somewhat familiar?!
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My ONLY POST on Footy went to the Round Ball Thread! :-D
 
GremioPower said:
I was less than 2 years old. My first WC was actually 1990. Still, I have an opinion on the 1982 Brazil, if not only because in Brazil everybody does have one.

My dad thinks the 1982 squad is overrated, and I dislike some people who WORSHIP that team "ad nauseam". So I would advise taking my opinion with a grain of salt.

I joke that my political position is "Extreme Center" because I am always trying to reach the other side. So, I get it why people like the team. However, besides humiliating Argentina (Yes!), Brazil had no great game in that World Cup (although there could be an argument on v. SCO).

Basically, the confidence in that team before playing Italy was inflated by the derby win in comparison with Italy's poor form (who also had beaten the Argentine, let's not forget that). The match was more even than people give credit for. "The Tragedy of Sarriá" was far from being one.

I usually quote this article (https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/82-original-and-harshest-group-death) on this:

"Santana'™s Brazil are routinely described as the greatest team never to win the World Cup. In truth, they were the greatest midfield never to win a World Cup. They had a butter-fingered keeper and a leaky defence that left Rossi free in space for two goals.

Then there was third-choice striker Serginho who, though not the donkey some have claimed, could be so clumsy that even Santana said once, after substituting him in one game: 'Now the ball is round again.'"

In footy terms, Brazil would dominate disposals, get inside-50 at will, and score lots and lots of BEHINDS. Meanwhile, opponents wouldn't get the ball much, but if they managed to get inside-50, the goal would show itself wide open for them.

Now that I have said it, doesn't it sound somewhat familiar?!
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You are of course absolutely correct.

That 1982 Brazilian team had its defensive deficiencies and the goalkeeper was an outright liability, but that midfield was one to fall in love with and they played with an attacking flair that I hadn't seen before or since. In the words of the Geelong club song - they played the game as it should be played.

Some pundits called the Italian team of that era the best in the world - until they crossed the half way line (does that sound like a certain AFL team this year?) so it was a classic battle between a great attacking team and a great defensive team and, as we so often see in many sports, the defensive team came out on top although ironically they did so in a high scoring game rather than a low scoring one.
 
GremioPower said:
My dad's mother side is Calabrian. "Suomo tutti buona gente qui!" (I have no idea if this is right).

My two last names (Iberians usually have two last names!), however, are Basque. Being Brazil, one can find anything in my family tree; so, I am as Basque as Monopoly money is money. :)
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Haha small world my mums from Calabria Is there anywhere Calabrians don't migrate to? You're Italian is pretty good as well far better than my Portuguese except in calabrese you would say 'simu' tutti buoni genti ca'

How did basques end up in Brazil would've thought they would've migrated to the Spanish colonies?
 
70sDinosaur said:
You are of course absolutely correct.

That 1982 Brazilian team had its defensive deficiencies and the goalkeeper was an outright liability, but that midfield was one to fall in love with and they played with an attacking flair that I hadn't seen before or since. In the words of the Geelong club song - they played the game as it should be played.

Some pundits called the Italian team of that era the best in the world - until they crossed the half way line (does that sound like a certain AFL team this year?) so it was a classic battle between a great attacking team and a great defensive team and, as we so often see in many sports, the defensive team came out on top although ironically they did so in a high scoring game rather than a low scoring one.
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Paolo Rossi scored a hat trick. Pretty sure this was soon after his suspension for match fixing in the Italian league. Didn't go down well with other country's supporters that a 'cheat' was making a great comeback.
 

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Harlott said:
Paolo Rossi scored a hat trick. Pretty sure this was soon after his suspension for match fixing in the Italian league. Didn't go down well with other country's supporters that a 'cheat' was making a great comeback.
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Yeah he got done for match fixing in 1980 and was banned for three years then was dropped to two on appeal. He qualified for the azzurri squad because of that. Funny thing is he was utter crap in the first round and then scored the hat trick against Brazil almost out of nowhere.
 
Eric Blair said:
Yeah he got done for match fixing in 1980 and was banned for three years then was dropped to two on appeal. He qualified for the azzurri squad because of that. Funny thing is he was utter crap in the first round and then scored the hat trick against Brazil almost out of nowhere.
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Haha that's right.
 
Eric Blair said:
Haha small world my mums from Calabria Is there anywhere Calabrians don't migrate to? You're Italian is pretty good as well far better than my Portuguese except in calabrese you would say 'simu' tutti buoni genti ca'

How did basques end up in Brazil would've thought they would've migrated to the Spanish colonies?
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We were a Spanish Colony! The part of Brazil in which I live, at least. :-)

We were traded in the Treaty of Madrid (1750), which [kind of] settled the borders between Spain and Portugal.
 
Harlott said:
Paolo Rossi scored a hat trick. Pretty sure this was soon after his suspension for match fixing in the Italian league. Didn't go down well with other country's supporters that a 'cheat' was making a great comeback.
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http://the18.com/soccer-news/paolo-rossi-man-who-made-brazil-cry-turns-60
Former Italian national team forward Paolo Rossi celebrated his 60th birthday Thursday. With his hat trick at the 1982 World Cup in Spain, Rossi not only managed to push Italy to glory but also gave a name to his biography, published in 2002: "I Made Brazil Cry".

Brazil was the heavy favorite of that World Cup. Players like Zico, Socrates, Paulo Roberto Falcao, Toninho Cerezo and Eder were part of that Brazilian National Team.
http://the18.com/soccer-news/paolo-rossi-man-who-made-brazil-cry-turns-60

Those first 3 Brazilians were wonderful to watch, The 1982 World cup was the first in Australia with decent coverage of the early games. I barely remember 1974 but they only showed the Australian games and it was in black and white. 1978 because of the time difference I didnt see any games before the semi finals, just some highlights,
 
Chiwigi said:
Not in the UK, you'd swear England won it the way they still talk about Platts goal against Belgium and Gazza crying.

Was the best World Cup though. It was the end of the era before it became ALL about money, I guess it's success was also a reason so much money came in.
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****ing hell, I used to like Gazza before but I've come to hate even hearing about him, as people here in the UK always go back to that bloody semifinal.

If a Brazilian player started crying during a semifinal with still so much to play for, he'd probably get crucified for it. Especially if we ****ing lost it!

I wish the UK would get over that generation, such a celebration of failure that help explain why they're so shit in the international stage.
 

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RussellEbertHandball said:
http://the18.com/soccer-news/paolo-rossi-man-who-made-brazil-cry-turns-60
Former Italian national team forward Paolo Rossi celebrated his 60th birthday Thursday. With his hat trick at the 1982 World Cup in Spain, Rossi not only managed to push Italy to glory but also gave a name to his biography, published in 2002: "I Made Brazil Cry".

Brazil was the heavy favorite of that World Cup. Players like Zico, Socrates, Paulo Roberto Falcao, Toninho Cerezo and Eder were part of that Brazilian National Team.
http://the18.com/soccer-news/paolo-rossi-man-who-made-brazil-cry-turns-60

Those first 3 Brazilians were wonderful to watch, The 1982 World cup was the first in Australia with decent coverage of the early games. I barely remember 1974 but they only showed the Australian games and it was in black and white. 1978 because of the time difference I didnt see any games before the semi finals, just some highlights,
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Pretty much my recollection as well.
 
diegodcg said:
******* hell, I used to like Gazza before but I've come to hate even hearing about him, as people here in the UK always go back to that bloody semifinal.

If a Brazilian player started crying during a semifinal with still so much to play for, he'd probably get crucified for it. Especially if we ******* lost it!

I wish the UK would get over that generation, such a celebration of failure that help explain why they're so shit in the international stage.
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I don't think the English have got past the 1966 generation yet, never mind 1990.

In footballing terms, it seems to me that it's still 1966 in England. And in foreign affairs, it's still 1945.
 

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