Round ball code talk

[Janus]

Viduka played in Australia for ages before he left didn't he?

Mark Viduka was a product of the AIS and played for the Knights for two seasons, leaving when he was 19 years old to play for Dinamo Zagreb.

 

[Portology]

Yeah, nah. I spent years on The World Game Forum and then Football Anarchy and it's got nothing to do with this at all. This is the sort of shit NSL bitters peddled every single day.

1. Players like Kewell, Viduka, Cahill etc never stuck around long enough for the old NSL clubs to be a contributing factor to their development. They left the country at 15-17, playing at most two seasons in the top flight before heading overseas.

2. You're talking about a league filled with second generation immigrants who had parents who wanted to feel connection back to the old country and hadn't assimilated into Australian life...so they were pushed to play soccer instead of doing anything else.

3. All the players that are getting roasted for not being good enough at the moment are products of the old NSL regime, or rather, the slow death of it due to the mismanagement of Soccer Australia. The A-League is 12 years old.

4. A-League clubs are starting to develop their own academies. In fact, they've always wanted to setup a system of continual development but have been blocked by clubs like South Melbourne who fear that all the elite kids will go to Victory or City (as an example) and cut off the golden goose of $1000+ per year registration fees.

So in conclusion, I'm glad the NSL is dead, they weren't a production line of elite talent. It was simply a case of being in the right place at the right time, and in the coming years things will be better.

In other words, correlation is not causation.

I don't miss the ****ing endless fights at Beograd vs Croatia games either.

**** soccer - in Australia. I'd rather barrack for the f***ing Gold Coast Suns than Adelaide United. Why promote a sport that's only ever going to get more square stadiums built, accidentally propping up the two rugby codes in its inept long term process of competing with AFL.

Out of interest, what sport(s) do you reckon the descendants of the former loosely defined talent pool are playing now?


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[Janus]

In other words, correlation is not causation.

I don't miss the ****ing endless fights at Beograd vs Croatia games either.

**** soccer - in Australia. I'd rather barrack for the f***ing Gold Coast Suns than Adelaide United. Why promote a sport that's only ever going to get more square stadiums built, accidentally propping up the two rugby codes in its inept long term process of competing with AFL.

Out of interest, what sport(s) do you reckon the descendants of the former loosely defined talent pool are playing now?


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FIFA 17

 

[Eddie Dingle]

In other words, correlation is not causation.

I don't miss the ****ing endless fights at Beograd vs Croatia games either.

**** soccer - in Australia. I'd rather barrack for the f***ing Gold Coast Suns than Adelaide United. Why promote a sport that's only ever going to get more square stadiums built, accidentally propping up the two rugby codes in its inept long term process of competing with AFL.

Out of interest, what sport(s) do you reckon the descendants of the former loosely defined talent pool are playing now?


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Water polo.

 

[PAFC04]

I'm not Italian but I followed Adelaide Juventus very closely.

Same here, but even more so....

Would you support Adelaide City if they were to come back into the A-league?

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Same here, but even more so....

Would you support Adelaide City if they were to come back into the A-league?

Absolutely.

Won't watch or support that red shite though.

 

[Duck Farmer]

I'm not Italian but I followed Adelaide Juventus very closely.

Me too, although there were quite a few anglos in the team - Stevie Maxwell, Joey Mullen, Peter Rankin etc.

 

[PAFC04]

Absolutely.

Won't watch or support that red shite though.

Dont know what it is, but I just cant bring myself to liking that red shite of a team....

When Adelaide City was kicked out, I dropped of Soccer after playing for 25years...... it was a sad day.

For the life of me, i couldn't understand why... and still don't till this day.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Me too, although there were quite a few anglos in the team - Stevie Maxwell, Joey Mullen, Peter Rankin etc.

I used to drink with Steve Maxwells brother Big Pete. Mountain of a man.

Dont know what it is, but I just cant bring myself to liking that red shite of a team....

When Adelaide City was kicked out, I dropped of Soccer after playing for 25years...... it was a sad day.

For the life of me, i couldn't understand why... and still don't till this day.

Replacing real clubs with made up entities might be it.

 

[chachi11]

Replacing real clubs with made up entities might be it.

Bingo!
That and my Crows/ Nord supporting inlaws are mad United fans has me supporting anyone but...

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Bingo!
That and my Crows/ Nord supporting inlaws are mad United fans has me supporting anyone but...

Good god, what a triple whammy of utter ****ing shitfulness for a man to have to endure.

Your wife must be the greatest person on the earth.

 

[chachi11]

Good god, what a triple whammy of utter ****ing shitfulness for a man to have to endure.

Your wife must be the greatest person on the earth.

My wife is now completely converted to Ports which her family hate....Love it!

 

[Janus]

Dont know what it is, but I just cant bring myself to liking that red shite of a team....

When Adelaide City was kicked out, I dropped of Soccer after playing for 25years...... it was a sad day.

For the life of me, i couldn't understand why... and still don't till this day.

LOL Adelaide City weren't 'kicked out' - they left the NSL of their own free will because of financial difficulties in 2003 after unsuccessfully trying to rebrand themselves as Adelaide City Force under a directive from Soccer Australia to 'de-wogify' the code, and because they had finished down the bottom two years in a row and crowds had dropped off. They figured Adelaide just couldn't support a national soccer side without financial support and television money - which is true.

Adelaide United was formed as a replacement for them in the NSL for the 2004 season because people were up in arms about not having an Adelaide side in the top flight, and was meant to be seen as a joining together of Juventus and Hellas fans - hence the name 'United'.

South Melbourne and Sydney Croatia have a right to feel aggrieved for being kicked out of the top flight. Adelaide City do not.

 

[PAFC04]

LOL Adelaide City weren't 'kicked out' - they left the NSL of their own free will because of financial difficulties in 2003 after unsuccessfully trying to rebrand themselves as Adelaide City Force under a directive from Soccer Australia to 'de-wogify' the code, and because they had finished down the bottom two years in a row and crowds had dropped off. They figured Adelaide just couldn't support a national soccer side without financial support and television money - which is true.

Adelaide United was formed as a replacement for them in the NSL for the 2004 season because people were up in arms about not having an Adelaide side in the top flight, and was meant to be seen as a joining together of Juventus and Hellas fans - hence the name 'United'.

South Melbourne and Sydney Croatia have a right to feel aggrieved for being kicked out of the top flight. Adelaide City do not.

Yeah, stand corrected... kicked out due to no support from the NSL.

Joining of Hellas and Juve supporters was never going to happen, that would be like Port and Crows joining in arms to support one united team.

Adelaide City, winners of the NSL CUP, many times....banished to obscurity. Which is what I don't understand.

 

[JayPea14]

West Adelaide vs Adelaide City were the days!! Aleague is garb... rather watch paint dry. Such a fake emotionless poorly run league. Love my epl and get down to watch mates playing amateurs as much as I can.

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[JayPea14]

& the grand final at adelaide oval last year optimises it..so many fake supporters rocking up to jump on the bandwagon. I knew many of which who had never been to watch a match at Hindmarsh

 

[chiwigi]

West Adelaide vs Adelaide City were the days!! Aleague is garb... rather watch paint dry. Such a fake emotionless poorly run league. Love my epl and get down to watch mates playing amateurs as much as I can.

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I love soccer, I just can't get into the A league stuff for this reason. It feels so fake.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The idea of de ethnicising the league wasn't a bad idea, after all how would Italian Greek Croatian clubs appeal to people who weren't ethnically Croatian etc..

One problem is they have been limited in spending. "Soccer" doesn't work that way like Aussie rules. Look at Everton recently having spent over 100 million on new signings. A league would be far far from that for many years of course.
They also then had that stupid marquee signing thing. United brought over Romario to try lift the profile of the league. What a waste of money.

All major and non major leagues have lower divisions with relegation/promotion in place.
We still don't have that here.

They need better people running FFA not Lowy and Lowy Jnr. People who will make decisions about the future benefit of the league and code in Australia and not just decisions to benefit their own wallets.

How many clubs have had financial troubles? Pretty much most of them.

And I'd be very surprised if South Melbourne pull in bigger crowds then Adelaide Uniteds tiny crowds. Melbourne City's biggest crowd isn't even 30k for the local derby there, and they average 10.5k to games.
Adelaide United totalled 133k all season.

You are talking about the business of NSL and structure of the game, I'm talking about the junior development by NSL clubs, linked but very separate.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Mark Viduka was a product of the AIS and played for the Knights for two seasons, leaving when he was 19 years old to play for Dinamo Zagreb.

Viduka played his junior days at Melbourne Croatia's kids club and spent one and a bit years at the AIS on scholarship in 1992-93 and played 2 years with the Australian Joeys U/17 team, I think it was U/17 in the early 1990's. He then spent 2 years after that in the NSL with Melbourne Croatia's A grade team. He was "sold" to Croatia Zagreb who have changed their name since then. He played 3 and half or 4 and half seasons at Zagreb before being transferred in that mid season Euro transfer window to Celtic.

That's a part of the missing analysis about the old NSL community clubs. A big chunk of that golden generation left and went and played in Europe, first in the country attached to the community club they played for in Oz and the club picked up big transfer fees as a result and usually bigger than if they went to a club in another country. No different to what the WA clubs started doing in the mid to late 1970's selling players to Vic clubs for transfer fees to survive. With the transfer monies they got from Viduka moving to Zagreb, Melbourne Croatia built The Mark Viduka Stand. But it also meant the player's first few years in Europe they were in a culture they were comfortable with, which helps that early development and progression in the big euro leagues - sort of like our Indigenous programs, try to make the indigenous kids we draft from around Oz comfortable in a cultural setting they are used to at Alberton so they play better footy and stay here.

I remember watching the interview below with Viduka by Wide World of Sports reporter Geoff Hutchison on the day of the 1993-94 NSL GF against Adelaide City which Adelaide City won. Hutchison used to do great sports interviews before moving into current affairs at the ABC, worked on 7.30 Report and pretty sure he was their Washington Correspondent for a couple years and has ended up on ABC radio in Perth.

What you see in this interview is how much pressure was on Viduka as an 18 year old kid, given the nickname of the new grandstand, the new lights, the new social club. You see Viduka wanting to raise his game to a level to deliver for his people. I'm not sure if kids who play for generic A League clubs get that driven. That might be part of the overall story as well.

I knew he was some wonder kid but it was this interview that made me look at him closely and to me he was always an unhappy young man from that interview onwards as he was being pulled in all directions even at Zagreb, being seen as the President of Croatia's player, at Celtic and it wasn't until after he had been at Leeds a few years that he seemed comfortable in his skin.




At least when he got near the end of his career at Middlesbrough, he could laugh at himself when his teammates would sing the Mark Viduka version of Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah, written by Boro fan musician Alistair Griffin.

 

[Grave Danger]

I hear Lionel Messi has had a 21 month prison sentence for tax fraud commuted to a $375,000 fine. He earns that much in less than two days

 

[Janus]

Viduka played his junior days at Melbourne Croatia's kids club and spent one and a bit years at the AIS on scholarship in 1992-93 and played 2 years with the Australian Joeys U/17 team, I think it was U/17 in the early 1990's. He then spent 2 years after that in the NSL with Melbourne Croatia's A grade team. He was "sold" to Croatia Zagreb who have changed their name since then. He played 3 and half or 4 and half seasons at Zagreb before being transferred in that mid season Euro transfer window to Celtic.

That's a part of the missing analysis about the old NSL community clubs. A big chunk of that golden generation left and went and played in Europe, first in the country attached to the community club they played for in Oz and the club picked up big transfer fees as a result and usually bigger than if they went to a club in another country. No different to what the WA clubs started doing in the mid to late 1970's selling players to Vic clubs for transfer fees to survive. With the transfer monies they got from Viduka moving to Zagreb, Melbourne Croatia built The Mark Viduka Stand. But it also meant the player's first few years in Europe they were in a culture they were comfortable with, which helps that early development and progression in the big euro leagues - sort of like our Indigenous programs, try to make the indigenous kids we draft from around Oz comfortable in a cultural setting they are used to at Alberton so they play better footy and stay here.

I remember watching the interview below with Viduka by Wide World of Sports reporter Geoff Hutchison on the day of the 1993-94 NSL GF against Adelaide City which Adelaide City won. Hutchison used to do great sports interviews before moving into current affairs at the ABC, worked on 7.30 Report and pretty sure he was their Washington Correspondent for a couple years and has ended up on ABC radio in Perth.

What you see in this interview is how much pressure was on Viduka as an 18 year old kid, given the nickname of the new grandstand, the new lights, the new social club. You see Viduka wanting to raise his game to a level to deliver for his people. I'm not sure if kids who play for generic A League clubs get that driven. That might be part of the overall story as well.

I knew he was some wonder kid but it was this interview that made me look at him closely and to me he was always an unhappy young man from that interview onwards as he was being pulled in all directions even at Zagreb, being seen as the President of Croatia's player, at Celtic and it wasn't until after he had been at Leeds a few years that he seemed comfortable in his skin.




At least when he got near the end of his career at Middlesbrough, he could laugh at himself when his teammates would sing the Mark Viduka version of Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah, written by Boro fan musician Alistair Griffin.

I knew Viduka played for Melbourne Croatia when he was young. The point I was making was that he was, like the rest of his generation, a product of an environment where playing soccer was his only outlet and he had to succeed in order to pull his community into mainstream acceptance. There's more to life than just how talented someone is.

It's that lack of acceptance that led guys like Ljubo Millicevic and that traitorous campaigner Simunic to wind up rejecting Australia. Any campaigner who doesn't want to see Australia win a World Cup is "in-Australian", but that's what many campaign for. When people say they supported Juve, I have to laugh, because if they had support there would have been no reason to disband the NSL - which was all a product of the mismanagement at the top level and by clubs who couldn't understand the shifting sands of the sporting landscape moving from soccer being the only true national league to some two bit comp compared to AFL and NRL.

The best kids in the A-League go overseas as soon as possible. It's always going to be the same. If they are good enough and driven enough, they will succeed.

 

[TeeKray]

It's that lack of acceptance that led guys like Ljubo Millicevic and that traitorous campaigner Simunic to wind up rejecting Australia.

Haha Ljubo, poor guy is just a screw loose I reckon.

Exhibit A, recent Facebook posting ...

 

[Grave Danger]

I thought Spurs was the last remaining English owned EPL club, but quite a few more have been promoted in recent years:

Brighton and Hove Albion
Burnley
Huddersfield Town
Newcastle United
Stoke City


Tottenham deny takeover talks amid Mark Zuckerberg-related claims

Tottenham have insisted they are not in takeover talks amid claims that a potential buyer backed by Facebook owner Mark Zuckerberg could be preparing a £1 billion bid.

Reports have suggested American investment company Iconiq Capital are interested in the White Hart Lane outfit, which finished second in the Premier League last season.

However, Spurs, who are currently in the process of building a new stadium next to their current home, moved to dispel speculation that the club could be for sale.

"The Board is not in any discussions relating to a takeover offer for the club.''

http://www.espnfc.com.au/tottenham-...ver-talks-amid-mark-zuckerberg-related-claims

 

[Eric Blair]

You don't hate Showdowns. You hate LOSING Showdowns, which is absolutely different! You actually LOVE Showdowns precisely because is so easy to hate them. There is always a chance that everything will go wrong...

Man, mornings of Grê-Nal in Porto Alegre, one wakes up feeling the tension in the air. It is so great! I believe Adelaide would be the same before Showdowns. There is nothing like a derby!

Haha try being a Torino supporter with Juve as your crosstown rival and then talk to me about derbies!! One win and two draws against the gobbi since 1998

I think Dante's line about abandoning all hope was in reference to us

 

[Eric Blair]

I can see Argentina from my window. We are civilization's first line of defense. GRR Martin has got it wrong. There is no wall, but a bridge protecting us from the Walkers:

Dante Alligieri has a famous quote about those twin towers. He called them "The Gates of Hell", and said that there was a sign saying "Leave all hope behind, thou who crosses it."

Be wary amigo a lot of us Italian* Port Adelaide supporters have family in Argentina for better or worse

*the napuletan in me will always love Maradona - except for the 90 world cup semi