Ryan O'Keefe

[Ausyid]

Do we have the pulling power and trade bait available to have a crack at getting him?

I think we should go all out. Bruce, White, etc.

 

[The Dr]

Re: O'Keefe

I love the way the bloke plays and think he would be an awesome addition to our team, but at 28 he will be too old for Bailey.

Obvioulsy if he was available in the PSD we would be mad to overlook him but I'd say it would be a near certainty a trade will be arranged between the Swans and whichever club wants him the most.

 

[eliasd82]

Re: O'Keefe

Not right fit for us at the moment.. from memory he will be 28..

would be a great fit for carlton actually those scum bags better not nabb him...

Besides we cant trade Jeff White as we have delisted him... i'd rather a pick inside the top 12 or 14 for Bruce.

 

[RandB]

Re: O'Keefe

Do we have the pulling power and trade bait available to have a crack at getting him?

I am not 100% sure by where you are coming from with that but if you mean would O'Keefe want to go to Melbourne then I would say no. We just don't have the profile or perceived potential that a lot of these players are looking for. It is a shame but I think we will have to do it the hard way with what we have over the next few years. PSD is a slight possibility with some of these players but rare for them to get that far, especially someone like O'Keefe who will have a few clubs after him in a trade.

If by pulling power you mean something to offer Sydney I doubt it as far as just players go and our picks are too valuable IMO to give away for a 28 yr old (next year).

I think we should go all out. Bruce, White, etc.

I think M4C said that even though we are delisting him we technically could still trade White while he's still on the list - I forget the date that he is officially delisted. Either way I think Sydney would be silly to take Bruce or White unless they were desperate to fill spots - which, if they are going to rebuild then is unlikely.

 

[Yze13]

Re: O'Keefe

I dare say Bailey's ethos is youth ,considering what Gc17 are going to get next year, it's probably best to take every draft pick we can get.

 

[booshboy]

Re: O'Keefe

No Chance of him coming to Melbourne, if we were in contention of making finals i'd be happy to have him but he's about 4 years too old and i'd rather keep our picks

 

[Marns]

Re: O'Keefe

The thing we have to remember is that when (not if) we are contending again, there will be other players like this looking to move teams that we can make a move on.

RoK is a very good footballer, but as some of you have already said, he is too old to be giving away picks for, and won't be a part of an eventual premiership run.

 

[master bate]

Do we have the pulling power and trade bait available to have a crack at getting him?

I think we should go all out. Bruce, White, etc.

Surely you are taking the piss. How is Bruce and White going all out anyway, we have already delisted/retired White, he holds no value, and O'keefe would have more value than Bruce. Too old anyway.

 

[w00dy]

Re: O'Keefe

the only way ROK would possibly wear red and blue is if his requested trade falls through and he enters the pre-season draft...

 

[AFL is Number One]

Will not be coming to the Dees. Put simply, we cannot afford him as we have no $$$$ in the kitty. Remember we can play pay out 92% of the cap. This is the reason the club is sticking to its "youth policy". In other words, we have no choice.

 

[Dez!]

Will not be coming to the Dees. Put simply, we cannot afford him as we have no $$$$ in the kitty. Remember we can play pay out 92% of the cap. This is the reason the club is sticking to its "youth policy". In other words, we have no choice.

Actually with the departures of Neitz, Holland, Yze, White and us not paying for Johnstone's contract (I believe that counted towards I cap, correct me if I'm wrong though) we will have a lot of room in the salary cap.

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

Dez you're right about Neitz, Yze & White clearing some room for us, but we were well over 92% last year and this year would be just as high and the AFL have directed us to get below that amount. Which means no huge signings

I've heard rumours about O'Keefe demanding some huge deal, can't remember exactly but something like $2.1 mil for 3 years. He's probably worth it, but not to us. Even in the PSD, he'd still put a minimum price on his head more then we should pay.

 

[Beats]

I'm also of the opinion we should have a lot of room in the cap.
As long as everyone is paid a reasonable amount there should be enough $$ to go around.

Here's my list, iirc the average payment for a first year is about 60k second year is 80k and anyone else the minimum for a player who get's more than 4-5 games a year is about 110k. Also if iirc the cap is like 7.9 million? (Any help MC4C?)

Bartram, Clint - 150
Bate, Matthew - 200
Bell, Daniel - 200
Bruce, Cameron - 350
Buckley, Simon - 110
Carroll, Nathan - 250
Cheney, Kyle - 60
Davey, Aaron - 350
Dunn, Lynden - 200
Frawley, James - 80
Garland, Colin - 80
Green, Brad - 350
Grimes, Jack - 60
Jamar, Mark - 150
Johnson, Chris A. - 150
Johnson, Paul A. - 175
Jones, Nathan - 200
Maric, Addam - 60
Martin, Stefan - 110
McDonald, James - 300
McLean, Brock - 300
McNamara, Tom - 60
Meesen, John - 150
Miller, Brad - 200
Moloney, Brent - 200
Morton, Cale - 60
Newton, Michael - 150
Petterd, Ricky – 80
Rivers, Jared - 250
Robertson, Russell - 300
Sylvia, Colin - 200
Warnock, Matthew - 60
Wheatley, Paul - 200
Whelan, Matthew - 200


adding on to that the 4 new draftees the total is 5.95 million.
well under the 7 or so million we need to be under.

**edit: I also think we shouldn't go after RoK, he just wouldn't be able to add a whole lot to our team...**

 

[Woewooden Spoon08]

Id love O'Keefe at Melbourne, but as has already been said he doesnt simply fit our criteria or our team really.

We have nothing that the Swans would be interested in really except draft picks. Players like Bruce and White just simply isnt enough for a player of O'Keefes ability.

The 4 teams i could see O'Keefe at are:
Hawthorn:
I would think if they wanted him Hawthorn would have to be front runners, they could offer something like their first round choice and Mitch Thorpe and their foward line would then be nearly impossible to contain.
Carlton:
Carlton wouldnt have anything the Swans wanted unless they wanted to give up their first pick on top of their second rounder they will give up for Warnock so i cant see that happening.
Bulldogs:
The Bulldogs dont really have a lot to offer, prehaps their first choice and someone like Giansiracusa.
Collingwood:
No doubt the Pies will make a play for him, if they wanted to straight swap Didak for Okeefe that could be a possibility.

Its a shame, OKeefe at Melbourne would be a great role model and influence for Matthew Bate.

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

Salary cap is $8.5mil, so the 90% minimum spend is $7.65mil

But i'd say you are way off with your estimates.

I've figured out what Morton would've been paid this year and it's over $100k, it differs because he's a first round pick and he played some many games. Grimes who was a 1st rounder but only played 1 game only got about $55k. But other then 1st & 2nd year draftees who are on set wages, depending on games, its impossible to know what anyone else is on. Bruce would be on way more then $350k, i think $600k would be closer to the mark (he's in the 3rd year of a 4 year deal, heavily weight towards the 2nd 2 years).

I'm not going to hazzard a guess at all the wages, but there's no way you could figure it out.

The only thing you can know for sure is that with all of the injury payments we made we were paying the most of any club. Yes we've just lost 3 of our highest paid players, but we've also just up'd the contracts of 5 or 6 (the group with Juice) as well as a knew bigger contract for Green. We'll go down and we could afford a Warnock type to come in, i don't think we could go below 92.5% if we signed a $600-$700k per year player.

 

[Beats]

Salary cap is $8.5mil, so the 90% minimum spend is $7.65mil

But i'd say you are way off with your estimates.

I've figured out what Morton would've been paid this year and it's over $100k, it differs because he's a first round pick and he played some many games. Grimes who was a 1st rounder but only played 1 game only got about $55k. But other then 1st & 2nd year draftees who are on set wages, depending on games, its impossible to know what anyone else is on. Bruce would be on way more then $350k, i think $600k would be closer to the mark (he's in the 3rd year of a 4 year deal, heavily weight towards the 2nd 2 years).

I'm not going to hazzard a guess at all the wages, but there's no way you could figure it out.

The only thing you can know for sure is that with all of the injury payments we made we were paying the most of any club. Yes we've just lost 3 of our highest paid players, but we've also just up'd the contracts of 5 or 6 (the group with Juice) as well as a knew bigger contract for Green. We'll go down and we could afford a Warnock type to come in, i don't think we could go below 92.5% if we signed a $600-$700k per year player.

I didn't know the actual number so I threw in a guesstimate, I know its about 55k for a first 53.5 for a second and 52.5 or so for 3rd or later, it's about 2.5k for each match played as well as a 7.5k bonus for playing over 10 games or something like that.
2nd year rises but not by a whole lot and they still get the same type of incentives.
The least you have to pay a player to avoid paying them match fees on top of their contract is about 112k or so, so you think that would be the minimum payment for anyone on our list...

As for my estimates even if they're a fair bit out, there's still the ability to be almost a million out and still fit a 600k player into the cap, and if Carroll goes then that's another 200k or so more we have.
I'd think we could afford a player like RoK

 

[cheney]

Do we have the pulling power and trade bait available to have a crack at getting him?

I think we should go all out. Bruce, White, etc.

He wants to play at a team who can win a flag in the next 2-4 years. So he wont come to Melb.

 

[Supermercado]

For free yes, for any other price no.

 

[melbournemartin]

Great player but too old. I must admit that I was surprised with his age of 28. With his fitness, he'd still be very good over 30 but that's just not what we need right now.

 

[cannons]

He would certainly add to the team, but in our current lifecycle stage there is no way we will go for him, and there is no way he would come to us.

Not the right fit at the moment.

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

I didn't know the actual number so I threw in a guesstimate, I know its about 55k for a first 53.5 for a second and 52.5 or so for 3rd or later, it's about 2.5k for each match played as well as a 7.5k bonus for playing over 10 games or something like that.
2nd year rises but not by a whole lot and they still get the same type of incentives.
The least you have to pay a player to avoid paying them match fees on top of their contract is about 112k or so, so you think that would be the minimum payment for anyone on our list...

As for my estimates even if they're a fair bit out, there's still the ability to be almost a million out and still fit a 600k player into the cap, and if Carroll goes then that's another 200k or so more we have.
I'd think we could afford a player like RoK

Its about $54k for a 1st round, 49k 2nd round & 46k 3rd round. Match payments of $2,600 per game and bonuses after a certain number of games, maximum bonus of $7,500. Max bonus is achieved after 11 games. Next years draftees the base goes up by about $1,600 & match payments increase by $100 per game.

2nd year base payments are dependant on games played in the previous year (either 0, 1-5, 6-10, 11-15, 16+) as well as draft position. Morton played over 16 games so he's in the highest bracket, as well as being a 1st round pick, next year his base will be $72,800 plus match payments of $4,000. Those of you not great at maths, if Morton plays every game next year he'll earn about $160,000.

Got a little bit off track, so i'm not saying that we can't afford to fit RoK in our cap, just that if he came in then we'd struggle to get under 92.5% of the cap, which is what the AFL have order us to do.

$600k takes up over 7% of the cap, so i can't see how we're planning to fit between the minimum of 90% & 92.5% of the cap but yet we could squeeze in a player on that much.

 

[RandB]

$600k takes up over 7% of the cap, so i can't see how we're planning to fit between the minimum of 90% & 92.5% of the cap but yet we could squeeze in a player on that much.

Given the importance of being in that bracket (90% - 92.5%) with the allowance from the AFL it may be a risk. Also (not that it will be a permanent thing) but maybe it couldn't hurt just to save a few dollars anyway for next year and just concentrate on kids.

Can someone please clarify how the injury payments work. I understand that with injuries you still have to pay players per contract and also pay replacement players for games but is there an extra cost of having injured players? Do long term injuries have any baring on our salary cap? -besides the fact that we have to pay replacement players more than normal for their game time.

 

[cannons]

$600k takes up over 7% of the cap, so i can't see how we're planning to fit between the minimum of 90% & 92.5% of the cap but yet we could squeeze in a player on that much.

It looks like the regulations have changed. I remember when clubs had to pay 92.5% as the minimum amount.

In any case, having a minimum level is a good idea. It gives players some protection, whereas the upper limit gives clubs some protection.

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

It looks like the regulations have changed. I remember when clubs had to pay 92.5% as the minimum amount.

In any case, having a minimum level is a good idea. It gives players some protection, whereas the upper limit gives clubs some protection.

Yeah that's what i thought and i thought it was wierd when the AFL told us to get below 92.5%, which would be a breach of the salary cap. So i looked into in more and from what i found it's 90%

 

[Pennypacker]

Salary cap is $8.5mil, so the 90% minimum spend is $7.65mil

But i'd say you are way off with your estimates.

I've figured out what Morton would've been paid this year and it's over $100k, it differs because he's a first round pick and he played some many games. Grimes who was a 1st rounder but only played 1 game only got about $55k. But other then 1st & 2nd year draftees who are on set wages, depending on games, its impossible to know what anyone else is on. Bruce would be on way more then $350k, i think $600k would be closer to the mark (he's in the 3rd year of a 4 year deal, heavily weight towards the 2nd 2 years).

I'm not going to hazzard a guess at all the wages, but there's no way you could figure it out.

The only thing you can know for sure is that with all of the injury payments we made we were paying the most of any club. Yes we've just lost 3 of our highest paid players, but we've also just up'd the contracts of 5 or 6 (the group with Juice) as well as a knew bigger contract for Green. We'll go down and we could afford a Warnock type to come in, i don't think we could go below 92.5% if we signed a $600-$700k per year player.

I heard a rumour you guys have ruled out going after Warnock because you couldnt afford his 400k price tag. Surely Warnock has to be a priority for you guys given his age and potential?? Lets be honest Jamar and Johnson arent setting the world on fire, and Warnock could be a potential 10 year gun.
I would hate to see the Blues pick him up for pick 24.
No offense but I dont understand how you could be at your salary cap limit given your limited number of marquey players. Bruce, Green & Davey should no doubt command over 400k but i would question whether anyone else on your list is worth that much, and therefore you should be able to afford 400k for Warnock?