News Saints High Performance Manager Joining Us

[theflea]

It has been reported Hornsby would be involved in the process to hire his replacement, who we now know is Burge.



Yeah I think it is a different case to normal to, I just found it weird, I mean good on the guy, he got a job that will benefit him more, but to then have him part of the process as been reported I found strange. In the corporate world, you see someone outline their job and sit with the people hired to find the replacement to detail specifics. In Football clubs though, most is known within the football department and the Head of Football should have that specific already. To me having the guy leaving clouds the process.

In my opinion, hiring Burge, a guy Hardwick wanted in 2009, it would seem that maybe he wasn't used anyway? May have been right timing and contact with the situation at St.Kilda.

Anyway, enough of this, it's tiresome really, let's hope Peter Burge is the right guy to take us forward onto better things and get us in better shape than we have been in the past. It will go along way to our continued improvement. I look on with interest.

i reckon his involvement has been overstated anyway. hornesby would have been asked for a opinion on prospective replacements and thats probly whats all whats happened.

 

[Tigerbob]

Thats very simplistic. The way you were going on i thought you must have read a report in great detail.

No, no, just asking the question as to why he was involved at all. Many made it more of an issue than I intended it to be. Not going to just accept every decision made by our club and applaud like a brainless simpleton.

i reckon his involvement has been overstated anyway. hornesby would have been asked for a opinion on prospective replacements and thats probly whats all whats happened.

I tend to agree with you.

Anyway, let's go Team Burge! Improvement needed desperately, let's hope your the man! For all our sake.

 

[Infamy]

What is interesting though...is that the saints are also looking at high altitude training as well and looking to focus their list management with that in mind...

Hardly a surprise when you see where their coach was working prior to StKilda

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

richmonds tan, the blues around pp time trial. all clubs do them its just the media blowing smoke about them.

I appreciated both of these points flea , however I think it's pretty easy to assume that the club leaks the details of 'The Tan' results to the media for the purpose of publication . It suprises me every year how much additional publicity our 'tan' results actually get and is often the only indicator out of the club on how players are tracking fitness wise in comparison to precious seasons .
I personally would prefer more accurate info on other forms of fitness assessment being leaked .

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Hardly a surprise when you see where their coach was working prior to StKilda

Well...yes and no...

Yes...'interesting' as in whether thats indicative of a growing trend in AFL HPM...

No...not suprising considering Watters background...assistant coach at Collingwood...

Yes...'interesting' that Watter's has convinced the current Saint's board that HPM ala Collingwood is 'cutting edge'...

No...is HPM 'cutting edge'...

 

[a_fighting_fury]

How do you know this is correct. Can you show us the links so we can judge for ourselves.

“While we are disappointed Matt has moved on, we are pleased he has agreed to assist us in finding his replacement.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/145512/default.aspx

 

[PHX]

I appreciated both of these points flea , however I think it's pretty easy to assume that the club leaks the details of 'The Tan' results to the media for the purpose of publication . It suprises me every year how much additional publicity our 'tan' results actually get and is often the only indicator out of the club on how players are tracking fitness wise in comparison to precious seasons .
I personally would prefer more accurate info on other forms of fitness assessment being leaked .

Which when it's all said and done would just be used for glass-half-fullers as ammunition to whinge about players results for tests they know nothing about.

It's the tan or nothing for mine as far as specifics goes about players fitness results. In this day and age it appears we all think we're entitled to far too much information that should belong only to the clubs. It's not in anyone's self-interest but their own to have fitness assessments "leaked" about our players for all to see. The Tan result is a good media fluff piece and nice coverage for the club, and it's not leaked, it's released to the media.

Would I like to see some fitness assessments of our players? Absolutely, that's just human nature to want to the most information. But realistically should it be in the public domain for every Tom, Dick and Harry to cast dispersions over on richmondfc.com.au? Never ever ever.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Would I like to see some fitness assessments of our players? Absolutely, that's just human nature to want to the most information. But realistically should it be in the public domain for every Tom, Dick and Harry to cast dispersions over on richmondfc.com.au? Never ever ever.

Thats all very well keeping information inhouse...i can see where your coming from in that regard...

But or rather how do you reconcile Olympic athletes performance...physical levels/times being in the public domain for all to see...doesnt seem to be a major problem or cause for ridicule here...

Personally i dont have a problem with it...

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Which when it's all said and done would just be used for glass-half-fullers as ammunition to whinge about players results for tests they know nothing about.

It's the tan or nothing for mine as far as specifics goes about players fitness results. In this day and age it appears we all think we're entitled to far too much information that should belong only to the clubs. It's not in anyone's self-interest but their own to have fitness assessments "leaked" about our players for all to see. The Tan result is a good media fluff piece and nice coverage for the club, and it's not leaked, it's released to the media.

Would I like to see some fitness assessments of our players? Absolutely, that's just human nature to want to the most information. But realistically should it be in the public domain for every Tom, Dick and Harry to cast dispersions over on richmondfc.com.au? Never ever ever.

So you are happy for the club to leak old school fitness assessments which carry a large tolerance but not more in depth test which are conducted in a stable environment with less margin for error , therefore being a truer indicator of their fitness comparison from previous seasons ?
Maybe works for you , but if the club is going to do something I'd prefer they got the whole hog and provide the best data available for supporters to gain some insight into a players fitness state in comparison to previous seasons , or not at all .
Appreciate this may be personal preference .

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Tan runs are public, so nothing to hide. Also people run the tan, so it's a nice bit of info they can relate to their own training. Everything else has no point of reference for mist, would just confuse, and rightly should remain inhouse

 

[theflea]

No, no, just asking the question as to why he was involved at all. Many made it more of an issue than I intended it to be. Not going to just accept every decision made by our club and applaud like a brainless simpleton.



I tend to agree with you.

Anyway, let's go Team Burge! Improvement needed desperately, let's hope your the man! For all our sake.

i also dont think matt did a bad job really. we dont really get many soft tissue injuries and if you look at the weights comparison we are right up there. can we get better, of course but i dont think it was ordinary either.

 

[theflea]

I appreciated both of these points flea , however I think it's pretty easy to assume that the club leaks the details of 'The Tan' results to the media for the purpose of publication . It suprises me every year how much additional publicity our 'tan' results actually get and is often the only indicator out of the club on how players are tracking fitness wise in comparison to precious seasons .
I personally would prefer more accurate info on other forms of fitness assessment being leaked .

all clubs do this as its off season and want/need club media bump ups for exposure to their members. nothing to see in this.

 

[Tigerbob]

i also dont think matt did a bad job really. we dont really get many soft tissue injuries and if you look at the weights comparison we are right up there. can we get better, of course but i dont think it was ordinary either.

We want to be the best. That is what it is about. I never want to float around with the level being "we aren't bad in this area".

I, you and 53,000 other members and hundred of thousand other supporters want to be the best.

That is what the FTF was done for. It's about being great. Hence why every decision made now, is with that in mind. We needed to improve from "not a bad job" to being a leader in this field because we have the funds.

The question is, have we? This we will wait and see the outcome of.

 

[PHX]

So you are happy for the club to leak old school fitness assessments which carry a large tolerance but not more in depth test which are conducted in a stable environment with less margin for error , therefore being a truer indicator of their fitness comparison from previous seasons ?
Maybe works for you , but if the club is going to do something I'd prefer they got the whole hog and provide the best data available for supporters to gain some insight into a players fitness state in comparison to previous seasons , or not at all .
Appreciate this may be personal preference .

Firstly let me tell you again, when a club releases the times for a run around the tan it's not a leak so stop with that bullshit line. It's a club openly giving out base information for the media to make a nice story about. The reason it is released is the exact reason you say, because it's not important in the grand scheme of things.

And secondly, I couldn't give a stuff about the tan results, and think our players personal fitness results are none of yours or my business and it's much better to have you whinge about a lack of information than have valuable information about our players in the public domain for everyone to see.

Thats all very well keeping information inhouse...i can see where your coming from in that regard...

But or rather how do you reconcile Olympic athletes performance...physical levels/times being in the public domain for all to see...doesnt seem to be a major problem or cause for ridicule here...

Personally i dont have a problem with it...

Individual sport, Jak, that's exactly how stakeholders and viewers assess them and how they win, by their times and/or physical stats. It's the key KPI and the difference between gold, silver and bronze.

What is the key KPI are sports teams assessed by stakeholders and viewers? The win and loss column and winning a competition, not by how much the individual players V02 readings are or how fast their 20m sprint or 1km time trial times are.

 

[the push up king]

can someone please explain to me why there is a perception that hornsby didn't do a good job???

 

[Ned_Flanders]

can someone please explain to me why there is a perception that hornsby didn't do a good job???

Because he didn't work for collingwood, Essendon, or a big sporting club overseas

We are like one of those guys who only thinks our girl is hot when someone else has slept with her

 

[the push up king]

Because he didn't work for collingwood, Essendon, or a big sporting club overseas

We are like one of those guys who only thinks our girl is hot when someone else has slept with her

gotcha

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Firstly let me tell you again, when a club releases the times for a run around the tan it's not a leak so stop with that bullshit line. It's a club openly giving out base information for the media to make a nice story about. The reason it is released is the exact reason you say, because it's not important in the grand scheme of things.

And secondly, I couldn't give a stuff about the tan results, and think our players personal fitness results are none of yours or my business and it's much better to have you whinge about a lack of information than have valuable information about our players in the public domain for everyone to see.


Individual sport, Jak, that's exactly how stakeholders and viewers assess them and how they win, by their times and/or physical stats. It's the key KPI and the difference between gold, silver and bronze.

What is the key KPI are sports teams assessed by stakeholders and viewers? The win and loss column and winning a competition, not by how much the individual players V02 readings are or how fast their 20m sprint or 1km time trial times are.

Fair enough...let me throw a few names at you then...

greg williams...ling...plugger...brian taylor...jackson...cox...maxwell...would kpi's have mattered with them...

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Firstly let me tell you again, when a club releases the times for a run around the tan it's not a leak so stop with that bullshit line. It's a club openly giving out base information for the media to make a nice story about. The reason it is released is the exact reason you say, because it's not important in the grand scheme of things.

And secondly, I couldn't give a stuff about the tan results, and think our players personal fitness results are none of yours or my business and it's much better to have you whinge about a lack of information than have valuable information about our players in the public domain for everyone to see.


Individual sport, Jak, that's exactly how stakeholders and viewers assess them and how they win, by their times and/or physical stats. It's the key KPI and the difference between gold, silver and bronze.

What is the key KPI are sports teams assessed by stakeholders and viewers? The win and loss column and winning a competition, not by how much the individual players V02 readings are or how fast their 20m sprint or 1km time trial times are.

Why release results on purpose that indicate that a certain player is exceeding previous fitness levels when it well know the tests are extremely in- accurate ?
Don't give me the bullshit that the fitness results are no ones business the club chooses to release the results and accompanies them often with past performances, to indicate improved fitness levels .
The point of releasing results should be to provide the best available results , if not don't release them , pretty simply really .

 

[Heisenberg_]

They're just little fluff articles "the boys are in good shape heading into a big pre season" nothing more nothing less. I can't believe you are making such an issue over absolutely nothing.
Same happens with every club.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

They're just little fluff articles "the boys are in good shape heading into a big pre season" nothing more nothing less. I can't believe you are making such an issue over absolutely nothing.
Same happens with every club.

No big issue , as I originally said just hope we stop seeing such a big deal on such an insignificant test , it makes the club look extremely unprofessional , anyone with any knowledge knows it's a croc of shit and just draws the uneducated to get false hope , very tacky and pretty sad actually .

 

[PHX]

Why release results on purpose that indicate that a certain player is exceeding previous fitness levels when it well know the tests are extremely in- accurate ?
Don't give me the bullshit that the fitness results are no ones business the club chooses to release the results and accompanies them often with past performances, to indicate improved fitness levels .
The point of releasing results should be to provide the best available results , if not don't release them , pretty simply really .

Again because its a nice fluff piece for the media to fill in their paper in the off-season and give the club some promotion.

So for you it is either release nothing at all or publicly release a spreadsheet full of data on our list showing V02 max results, time trial results at multiple distances and agility, benchpress results, bodyfat % etc etc just so we can look over it and make amateur opinions on the data and make assumptions on who is flying and who isn't? You would support that?

 

[PHX]

Fair enough...let me throw a few names at you then...

greg williams...ling...plugger...brian taylor...jackson...cox...maxwell...would kpi's have mattered with them...

You have gone back a bit of a way there Jak when you could have a ciggie and an amber ale and still rock up and its all good! Indeed Plugger wouldn't have given a stuff about all this most likely.

But those times are gone. Maxwell, Big Cox and Linga would all have KPIs to stick by that puts them in the best conditioning to play and keep niggles at bay, although obviously streets apart in terms of detail due to where they play on the field and what their role is.

That's in my opinion. Not claiming fact.

 

[theflea]

We want to be the best. That is what it is about. I never want to float around with the level being "we aren't bad in this area".

I, you and 53,000 other members and hundred of thousand other supporters want to be the best.

That is what the FTF was done for. It's about being great. Hence why every decision made now, is with that in mind. We needed to improve from "not a bad job" to being a leader in this field because we have the funds.

The question is, have we? This we will wait and see the outcome of.

that was more about some bagging matt for a 'poor' performance when i dont think he did. i didnt say he was the best and also said we'd like to do better. at the end of the day there is really only 1 'high profile' fitness guy and thats dp at the pies. at nearly every other club these guys are not heard of, go about their stuff and in the end its still the club with the better players and style.

 

[theflea]

No big issue , as I originally said just hope we stop seeing such a big deal on such an insignificant test , it makes the club look extremely unprofessional , anyone with any knowledge knows it's a croc of shit and just draws the uneducated to get false hope , very tacky and pretty sad actually .

unprofessional. effing bollocks. that means EVERY club is unprofessional since they all do it.