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I'd give it to Lenny and make Roo vice.
 

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Roo will get it, but I agree that Hayes should be cap... he's a stronger leader, and Roo doesn't need the extra headaches - needs to focus on his goal-kicking.
 
I think both of them would be terrific captains so I really have no issue over who is chosen.

However from reading this thread, and I think it's a common opinion across the league, the feeling is that Nick isn't captaincy material. Or at least should be lower down the pecking order.

Is it because he happened to shed a few tears at the Gabba that night?

To me he just has captain written all over him. You only have to listen to his Best and Fairest speech last year to see the passion he has for this football club. On the field he's hard at it, courageous and leads by example. I see Lenny in the same way. However off the field I just think he's a quieter type and is less confident in front of the cameras.

Anyway as I said at the beginning I wouldn't have a problem with what way the club go because both are outstanding candidates and deserving of the role. I just think the football world sometimes sells Roo a bit too short.
 
no doubting his passion, nor his ability to be captain & lead ... & really between Roo & Lenny ... there's not much between them in terms of leadership.. not sure why I'd choose Lenny over Roo ... you can't really say any of them lead more by example than the others, they're all very capable of doing the job (something you could credit a certain ex-coach with ... but lets not hijack this topic;))

as for Ball ... he's also an awesome leader ... but I feel he should concentrate on getting his body right ...

Re: the 'tears' thing .. I really don't think about it, and don't think it is a poor reflection of Roo ...
 
35Harvs said:
no doubting his passion, nor his ability to be captain & lead ... & really between Roo & Lenny ... there's not much between them in terms of leadership.. not sure why I'd choose Lenny over Roo ... you can't really say any of them lead more by example than the others, they're all very capable of doing the job (something you could credit a certain ex-coach with ... but lets not hijack this topic;))

as for Ball ... he's also an awesome leader ... but I feel he should concentrate on getting his body right ...

Re: the 'tears' thing .. I really don't think about it, and don't think it is a poor reflection of Roo ...
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Good post 35Harvs

I didn't mean my previous message to come out as an attack on the above supporters who chose Lenny over Roo if it came across that way. I just think there's a perception of Nick in the football world that isn't right. Look at that thread on the main board about him. To a lot of people it doesn't matter what he's achieved so far compared to some of his contempories because there's a lot of people out there who do not give him the credit he deserves. He's a natural leader and would sit very comfortably alongside our previous captains.

I think you're right about there not being much between them, particularly when it comes to leading by example on the field. I guess the reason I'd give Riewoldt the nod is because he's more of an imposing figure. Not just as a key forward but as the clubs representative off the field.

I agree with you regarding Ball too. He's a natural leader if you've ever seen one but lets just let him get his body right and concentrate on playing regular footy.
 
hayes for sure i reckon, i hate the co-captaincy thing. hayes is a far superior leader to roo and since hes an in and under mid he leads by example.
 
when judging a leader i suppose you really have to find someone that the players will feel inspired by and someone that with a level head the can look to for guidence. With that in mind its hard to split either lenny or roo, as it would be to decide who was a more inspirational leader on the field Carey or Voss. My thoughts are you want someone who will be in the thick of it at the first bounce as well as the last showing the boys the way to go. With all due respect to roo i think the burden of having the competitions best backman being the clubs number 1 forward and leading the club could be a bit to much on his plate. If he has a bad day there really is no hiding from it, where if Lenny has a rare bad day there are other on ballers who can tack up the slack something we will struggle to do at CHF. just my opinion.
 
I would have thought Lenny Hayes would be the best option, though no doubting Riewoldt's credentials. Lenny is class and rarely makes an error, leads by example with tackles and one percenters and runs as hard as anyone (barring R Harvey, that guy is a freak). Riewoldt, well I think he is a bit of a choker at times in front of goal especially when the heat is on. Lenny would be the best choice, though as some have said before, Riewoldt could probably sell the club more. Still, not a bad potential problem to have!!!!
 

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Good post 35Harvs

I didn't mean my previous message to come out as an attack on the above supporters who chose Lenny over Roo if it came across that way. I just think there's a perception of Nick in the football world that isn't right. Look at that thread on the main board about him. To a lot of people it doesn't matter what he's achieved so far compared to some of his contempories because there's a lot of people out there who do not give him the credit he deserves. He's a natural leader and would sit very comfortably alongside our previous captains.
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No it didn't come across as an attack, I'm fine with other sides not rating Roo, (he doesn't take 2 defenders each game for nothing) ... their perception of him is based on watching him on TV, & having no idea how hard he actually works. ... also, there is the perception he is favoured by umpires ...

he would be a very deserving leader, & as BrianSpeaking said, he's got 4 B&F's ... also, after thinking about it, he has a stronger media presence as well -

Do we want a single captain or do you think the co-captaincy works?
 
I think what no one is saying explicitly here is that the best captains are usually physically imposing, and that is not Riewoldt's style. Hayes can deliver the hip and shoulder, run through packs, and the like. It's the same reason I never really thought Robert Harvey was a great captain, but Aaron Hamill was. I like my captain to be physical on the football field.

I have no doubt about Nick's love of the club, or his reputation among his teammates. And he is, of course, a champion footballer. But I would still like to see Lenny Hayes as captain.
 
Riewoldt captain. Getting rid of this multiple captaincy would make me very happy. Should select only one captain, and the best possible person. I also hated this rotating the captains each year. If St.kilda only appoint one captain, this will be a huge step in the right direction.
 
Lenny Hayes for sure. Roo needs to concentrate on kicking for goal. Lenny has a very proven track record with the brilliant 2004 run he captained.
 
For me, the captaincy is not about the off field media, not about the best player and certainly not about how the player is perceived by the media or opposition supporters.

It is about the player at the club who best has the ability and opportunity to enspire confidence in other players when the game gets into the trenches. It is also about the player who can take on the role and elevate his game and those around him and who does not see it as a burden.

For me, Hayes has the ability to encorporate it in his game and elevate to a greater degree than Roo does. He is in the guts most of the time so can affect change easier, although not necessarily to as great a degree.

This is not negative Roo, but simply the way I see it. Hayes was a better performer as captain that Roo.

In the future, when the time is right, I would like to see Kosi as captain, in a similar vein to Carey, as the impact player to turns and takes the game away, and hurts and demoralises the opposition.

But I think Roo will get it for his public passion and his media marketability.
 
I have to say that Lenny Hayes embodies the qualities of captain. Nick does too but does not have the same presence of character that Lenny does. He most probably will in time but not yet. The co captaincy seems more like a group of subalterns standing in. captaincy by committee. An individual is needed to lead them when the chips are down. A team within a team isnt the answer.
 

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have a RHG said:
when judging a leader i suppose you really have to find someone that the players will feel inspired by and someone that with a level head the can look to for guidence. With that in mind its hard to split either lenny or roo, as it would be to decide who was a more inspirational leader on the field Carey or Voss. My thoughts are you want someone who will be in the thick of it at the first bounce as well as the last showing the boys the way to go. With all due respect to roo i think the burden of having the competitions best backman being the clubs number 1 forward and leading the club could be a bit to much on his plate. If he has a bad day there really is no hiding from it, where if Lenny has a rare bad day there are other on ballers who can tack up the slack something we will struggle to do at CHF. just my opinion.
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This is exactly my point too - it's not that Roo wouldn't be a fantastic captain, just he's mortal... We can't expect him to be doing sooooooooooo much all the time. Lenny's a great mid-fielder, but isn't in th lime-light as much on gameday, mainly because Dal, Bally, Monty are there.
 
My choice would be Lenny, I think he's a super on field leader and has that bit of mongrel that Roo lacks and (IMO) a captain needs.

But Roo is the "marquee' player, and I'd expect him to be given the single captaincy.
 
Lenny has captain all over him, but Roo presents so damn well in front of the camera. His perfromance on Footy Classified when the club was copping some flak was first class.
 
I'd prefer Lenny, as Roo needs to just be able to work on the weaknesses of his game, eg. Goal Kicking.

I reckon Roo will get it, as he has been looked to really as the main skipper recently I reckon.
 

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