Player Watch Sam Murray - (Delisted 2019)

[Aishole]

My opinion is he didn’t do enough.
This opinion is based on the fact that the club delisted him.
Had he done enough, had he shown application, they would have done what they did with previous drug cases and supported him with another year.
My opinion stands.

You don’t think the emergence of Quaynor and Noble plays a part? Because if Quaynor hadn’t cracked a game/looked any good and Noble looked completely out of his depth, i dare say Sams looking at a much different scenario. He is surplus to needs atm, regardless of whether you think he did enough

 

[Black_White]

He put multiple stories up of him in the gym working with a personal trainer.

Plenty of players do plenty of work behind the scenes, none of which will see the light of day on any Social Media.

Does Tom Phillips upload every day in the pre season, showing us him in the gym and clocking up km’s? No. But, he still comes back first day of pre season and smashed the time trial.

Its a different kettle of fish obviously, but my point stands - your favourite players hardly put s**t on social media about any work outs, why is Sam any different? Purely because he shares the social side of things (majority do), dresses in a way people don’t like? Just because people don’t like him, thats why.

Darcy Moore didn’t upload anything when he was out with a hammy. Oops, must not have done anything. Its ridiculous logic. Sam can post any photos of him socialising all he wants, every player socialises, there are another 10 hours of the day that aren’t that photo. To judge someones life from photos is RIDICULOUS

Ridiculous!
To compare a player who is banned from any meaningful contact with the club, and vice versa, with players who are under the eye of the club, it’s nutritionists, it’s coaches, it’s medical staff, 24/7 is just sheer stupidity.

 

[Black_White]

You don’t think the emergence of Quaynor and Noble plays a part? Because if Quaynor hadn’t cracked a game/looked any good and Noble looked completely out of his depth, i dare say Sams looking at a much different scenario. He is surplus to needs atm, regardless of whether you think he did enough

The emergence of these players does make a difference.
But there were players emerging that could have taken Thomas’s and Keefe’s place in the 2 years they were absent.
Obviously the club believed we had better options than Keefe quickly.

 

[Apex36]

You don’t think the emergence of Quaynor and Noble plays a part? Because if Quaynor hadn’t cracked a game/looked any good and Noble looked completely out of his depth, i dare say Sams looking at a much different scenario. He is surplus to needs atm, regardless of whether you think he did enough

I don’t think Quaynor or Noble would have had any bearing at all on the clubs decision. Just as Thomas and Keeffe were forced to find a different role for themselves, Murray could have done the same, or alternatively Noble could have pushed up on to a wing given his high speed and endurance. I know you’re on a mission to argue that Sam’s conduct during his time off had nothing to do with him being delisted, but there’s really not any other plausible explanation for it given the clubs previous treatment of players who have been banned.

 

[Chameleon75]

My point was that blood tests after the event were negative; he had nothing to worry about apparently. So much different to Keeffe, Thomas and Murray. They had traces of (we think) cocaine in their systems. Big difference.
There is also a difference between illicit drugs and PEDs. Players taking PEDs should of course be rubbed out, if it is proven they were deliberately taken. The case of Keeffe and Thomas taking coke in the off season is why the system ought to be changed.
Get ASADA out of the AFL completely and have the AFL set up their own judiciary. These guys are not Olympians and shouldn't be judged under the same rules. Stuff the government millions, the AFL has enough funding to exist without handouts.

That report is highly suspect, it states he was clear of both peds and illicit drugs. Well asada don’t test for illicit drugs outside competition, it is of no evidentiary value to them. So the report is clearly wrong. It is pr spin to shift public attitude.

 

[sr36]

Damn it! He's a berserker. I thought he had real talent - really liked the cut of his jib.

 

[sr36]

I was a big Ramsay fan and agree that he was unlucky to be delisted. That said, there's not much between them on exposed form but I think Appleby has more upside. He's a little taller which I think will enhance his flexibility longer term, and I think he's better defensively and a better mark.

The Ramsay one was weird. They rated him highly enough that following his knee injury they brought him straight back into the seniors for round 1. And gave him a reasonable run, despite it being plainly obvious that he was way down on form and confidence. They down dropped him and delisted him at the end of the year. It was odd.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Damn it! He's a berserker. I thought he had real talent - really liked the cut of his jib.

 

[Aishole]

I don’t think Quaynor or Noble would have had any bearing at all on the clubs decision. Just as Thomas and Keeffe were forced to find a different role for themselves, Murray could have done the same, or alternatively Noble could have pushed up on to a wing given his high speed and endurance. I know you’re on a mission to argue that Sam’s conduct during his time off had nothing to do with him being delisted, but there’s really not any other plausible explanation for it given the clubs previous treatment of players who have been banned.

Im not saying it doesn’t have anything to do with it. What i have an issue is, is with people passing their opinions off as facts.

 

[Aishole]

Ridiculous!
To compare a player who is banned from any meaningful contact with the club, and vice versa, with players who are under the eye of the club, it’s nutritionists, it’s coaches, it’s medical staff, 24/7 is just sheer stupidity.

In the off season Tom Phillips is under the eye of the clubs, its nutritionists, its coaches, its medical staff 24/7? Thats news to me.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

The Ramsay one was weird. They rated him highly enough that following his knee injury they brought him straight back into the seniors for round 1. And gave him a reasonable run, despite it being plainly obvious that he was way down on form and confidence. They down dropped him and delisted him at the end of the year. It was odd.

I think Ramsay got his chances because he passed the eye-test. You could definitely see the potential of an all-around footballer - and that was worth the opportunities (which his WAFL performances reflect).

But I dont think he had any one skill that was clearly AFL level (vs Appleby's defense) - and unfortunately he just never quite got used to the pace of the AFL game. His decision making always just seemed a half-second too slow, and that didn't really improve. These guys do very well at state level (see Kyle Martin) but struggle at the peak of the game.

 

[TradeDraft]

Dave, you can’t judge how someone spends a majority of their time from Instagram posts. You also can’t judge what they may have done where those photos were taken.

Most footy players hang out with friends, not all of them post on Social media. He is no different to most, other then he may share more often. And dress weird

They why did the Club De-List him now then?

 

[TradeDraft]

The recruitment of Noble foreshadowed this decision a bit. I think we've handled it professionally. Allowed the process to run its course and made a tough decision. The lack of professionalism from Murray to take cocaine leading up to a game wouldn't have gone down well with the club I imagine. Personally I would have given him a second chance but happy either way.

Espically after what Happened with JT and Keeffe

 

[TradeDraft]

Bit disappointed we've de-listed him because I genuinely liked him.

But given Noble and Quaynor I guess I kinda understand? I dunno, just thought it was worth keeping him on the rookie list for at least 1 season to see how hard he wants it.

Maybe what he was doing over the Ban showed that he did not really want it

 

[Aishole]

They why did the Club De-List him now then?

There are many reason. Its not for us to pretend to know though.

You can have your opinions! But, don’t act as if they’re all facts set in stone.

 

[TradeDraft]

There are many reason. Its not for us to pretend to know though.

You can have your opinions! But, don’t act as if they’re all facts set in stone.

Well Sorry IF you take that way as I am not the only one here that does the same then

 

[left at home]

The Ramsay one was weird. They rated him highly enough that following his knee injury they brought him straight back into the seniors for round 1. And gave him a reasonable run, despite it being plainly obvious that he was way down on form and confidence. They down dropped him and delisted him at the end of the year. It was odd.

Couldn’t stay away, welcome back sr36

 

[Aishole]

Well Sorry IF you take that way as I am not the only one here that does the same then

It wasn’t directed straight at you TD! That was directed at most people in this thread

 

[jmac70]

There are many reason. Its not for us to pretend to know though.

You can have your opinions! But, don’t act as if they’re all facts set in stone.

Angry face! Cool.

 

[jmac70]

Angry face! Cool.

 

[sr36]

That's how I reacted when I heard Murray had bargained down his penalty and assumed he was going to back for the start of 2020 ...

Perhaps there's going to be an 8th serious of Breaking Bad. I'm convinced that Sam Murray is actually Jesse Pinkman. If only I knew how to post a gif.

 

[Daicos Daze]

The club still may Rookie list him

 

[Kappa]

The club still may Rookie list him

Perhaps, but I'm not sure I see the wisdom in delisting someone from the rookie list only to rerookie them.

 

[sideswipe]

The club still may Rookie list him

Don't think so - the language has been that he will not be offered another contract, rather than being told he will be de-listed.

 

[jackcass]

The Ramsay one was weird. They rated him highly enough that following his knee injury they brought him straight back into the seniors for round 1. And gave him a reasonable run, despite it being plainly obvious that he was way down on form and confidence. They down dropped him and delisted him at the end of the year. It was odd.

Welcome back.