Same old Eagles

[Rocco Jones]

Great at Subi, **** where it counts.

 

[Mr Eagle]

Originally posted by Rocco Jones
Great at Subi, **** where it counts.

Much like the Doggies, in fact...

 

[Kenny_01]

Re: Re: Same old Eagles

Originally posted by Mr Eagle
Much like the Doggies, in fact...

 

[Streaker]

I think Melbourne did a good job of bottling up our Midfielders. Neitz and Bruce played extremely well (Jako and Greeny played extremely bad) and gave them a real focal point. I liked the way young Davey played but I think he will be a bit like the McGrath boys, there one week gone the next.

 

[no1bankteller]

Originally posted by West Coast Stre
I think Melbourne did a good job of bottling up our Midfielders. Neitz and Bruce played extremely well (Jako and Greeny played extremely bad) and gave them a real focal point. I liked the way young Davey played but I think he will be a bit like the McGrath boys, there one week gone the next.

I do not have time to give you a full wrap up today, I have an assignment due next week and study group to prepare for, however Woosha needs to hang his head in shame about the way he has handleed Neitz Jako match up. Jako clearly was not up to it from fist qtr on and Woosha should have made the change and put Lynch on Neitz.

I think he really did not do Lycnh any favours by not placing him on the best forward and seeing how he copes. Its pre-season after all and he should have used that opportunity to see how he handles it and how much he can learn from Neitz.

As far as Green is concerned he was jumping at shadows all night and the mark he dropped in the first quarter was a disgrace. It cost us a goal and we ended up scoring a goal... If he had taken that mark there was 50 meters of clear space in front of him and we were away.

I was rapt with Johnson and Lynch too especially their physical presence around the pack. Lynch kicikng both long and short was a highlight, cannot remember him turing the ball over, though he should mix up his kick ins a bit as Deamons caught on th what he was doing after a while.

My favorite play of the day was on my wing when Coxy ran hard to make a contest with Melb midfielder spoiling his mark, then kept up with him and giving him a beautiful hip and shouldering him off the ball, and then shepparding, allowing Embley to pick up the ball and deliver into the forward line. He worked supper hard and if the forward that marked Embleys kick had kicked truelly the result may have been different. It was a real team lifting effort.

I though Clancy's effort after being taken out by Neitz deseres a mention too. It was corageous of him to come back on tho the ground after getting shallacked.

Ok got to go now but will continue my rant later tonight...or ptomorrow at latest.

 

[USAEagle]

Posted by Rocco Jones


**** where it counts.

_____________________

Did this count?

 

[Stakes]

Originally posted by no1bankteller
I do not have time to give you a full wrap up today, I have an assignment due next week and study group to prepare for, however Woosha needs to hang his head in shame about the way he has handleed Neitz Jako match up. Jako clearly was not up to it from fist qtr on and Woosha should have made the change and put Lynch on Neitz.

I think he really did not do Lycnh any favours by not placing him on the best forward and seeing how he copes. Its pre-season after all and he should have used that opportunity to see how he handles it and how much he can learn from Neitz.

As far as Green is concerned he was jumping at shadows all night and the mark he dropped in the first quarter was a disgrace. It cost us a goal and we ended up scoring a goal... If he had taken that mark there was 50 meters of clear space in front of him and we were away.

I was rapt with Johnson and Lynch too especially their physical presence around the pack. Lynch kicikng both long and short was a highlight, cannot remember him turing the ball over, though he should mix up his kick ins a bit as Deamons caught on th what he was doing after a while.

My favorite play of the day was on my wing when Coxy ran hard to make a contest with Melb midfielder spoiling his mark, then kept up with him and giving him a beautiful hip and shouldering him off the ball, and then shepparding, allowing Embley to pick up the ball and deliver into the forward line. He worked supper hard and if the forward that marked Embleys kick had kicked truelly the result may have been different. It was a real team lifting effort.

I though Clancy's effort after being taken out by Neitz deseres a mention too. It was corageous of him to come back on tho the ground after getting shallacked.

Ok got to go now but will continue my rant later tonight...or ptomorrow at latest.

*YAWN* Who else here thinks the Eagles cruised at about 50% last night and Melbourne were slogging their guts out? Seriously... its February not August. Its the Wizard Cup. Yeah it would have been nice to win only because we could have gone to watch them on TV next week but really What would you rather? Another serious game next week against a Geelong/Carlton side who are also going to be trying their guts out physically to win or a nice easy scratch match against another team where we can play our youngsters and rest some of the guys before the start of the real stuff? I think I know in 5 weeks what the answer will be when the Wizard Cup is just a faint memory. Remember the Crows winning it last year? Didn't help them out too much did it.

Like someone said to me... Australian Rules is the only sport in the world they can think of where people take the pre-season practice matches so seriously. Nearly every other sport in the world the pre-season is exactly that. Muck around to get you ready for the real stuff.

 

[noodle]

i kinda agree agree with rocco.

we were terrible in the first half. thankfully we showed some spirit in the second half and fought back. if the game went on for another 5 minutes we probably would have won.

 

[Milkman]

Originally posted by Stakes
*YAWN* Who else here thinks the Eagles cruised at about 50% last night and Melbourne were slogging their guts out?

Agreed, maybe not 50%, but I certainly think the Eagles were treating it as more of a practice game, so to lose by only two goals was a pretty good result IMO. That sudden burst of intensity in the last quarter looked a bit calculated to me.

 

[noogie_da_sheep]

Originally posted by no1bankteller
Jako clearly was not up to it from fist qtr on and Woosha should have made the change and put Lynch on Neitz.

Jako was floundering...he should have made the change...it would have given Lynchy some experiance playing on one of the competitions best forwards.

 

[no1bankteller]

Originally posted by noogie_da_sheep
Jako was floundering...he should have made the change...it would have given Lynchy some experiance playing on one of the competitions best forwards.

Absolutely!

 

[coasting]

I think the idea for Lynchy last night was to play on more agile players. Neitz is a power forward, in a similar mould to Rocca. He needs to learn how to cope with all types of players because opposition coaches will try to exploit him.

 

[str8khlr]

We nearly beat Melbourne by only playing an outside game. That's a good sign. These games mean nothing, we've got a full season ahead - at this stage you don't want players going in that hard like Melbourne did in the first half.
Jacko is a disgrace.

 

[coasting]

Originally posted by str8khlr
Jacko is a disgrace.

Harsh. He is a champion in the twilight of his career who played an ordinary game against a champion player in a pre-season game.

 

[dasler]

Originally posted by Stakes
*YAWN* Who else here thinks the Eagles cruised at about 50% last night and Melbourne were slogging their guts out? Seriously... its February not August. Its the Wizard Cup. Yeah it would have been nice to win only because we could have gone to watch them on TV next week but really What would you rather? Another serious game next week against a Geelong/Carlton side who are also going to be trying their guts out physically to win or a nice easy scratch match against another team where we can play our youngsters and rest some of the guys before the start of the real stuff? I think I know in 5 weeks what the answer will be when the Wizard Cup is just a faint memory. Remember the Crows winning it last year? Didn't help them out too much did it.

Like someone said to me... Australian Rules is the only sport in the world they can think of where people take the pre-season practice matches so seriously. Nearly every other sport in the world the pre-season is exactly that. Muck around to get you ready for the real stuff.

I'd tend to agree with your statement Stakes. Would like the young KP players to stand up and be counted as development roles throughout this season to give us a genuine crack at 2005-2006.

 

[Geonet]

Originally posted by Stakes

*YAWN* Who else here thinks the Eagles cruised at about 50% last night and Melbourne were slogging their guts out?

I don't buy the idea that we are playing great when we win and just cruising at 50% when we lose. I'm sure Woosha wanted us to win and win well. I agree with Rocco Jones. It's the same old Eagles and I suspect this year it's going to be a repeat of the last couple of years, specially at the end of the year when after so much travelling the players are tired. To win a premiership from Perth we need more than a good team. We need a fantastic team just like the Eagles of 92 and 94. We're going to be competitive, we'll enjoy great wins, we will probably make the eight, but I don't think a premiership is within our grasp, because we can't get the great players we need to fill every single position in the team. We did that in 92 and 94 but now I don't think that is possible. I could once again explain my reasons but I won't because I said enough about it in the past and I also don't have the time to sustain another battle of ideas.

 

[Eagles4Ever]

Last year we found it hard to rotate and freshen up players because of injuries. I'm sure if we stay fit our team will have a lot more depth this year and remain fresher. Last year they really got burnt out towards the end.
That IMO is the secret to playing better footy in the last month of the season.

E4E

 

[Mead]

Originally posted by Geonet
I don't buy the idea that we are playing great when we win and just cruising at 50% when we lose. I'm sure Woosha wanted us to win and win well. I agree with Rocco Jones. It's the same old Eagles and I suspect this year it's going to be a repeat of the last couple of years, specially at the end of the year when after so much travelling the players are tired. To win a premiership from Perth we need more than a good team. We need a fantastic team just like the Eagles of 92 and 94. We're going to be competitive, we'll enjoy great wins, we will probably make the eight, but I don't think a premiership is within our grasp, because we can't get the great players we need to fill every single position in the team. We did that in 92 and 94 but now I don't think that is possible. I could once again explain my reasons but I won't because I said enough about it in the past and I also don't have the time to sustain another battle of ideas.

I'm not sure I agree.
The thing is, I don't think the 92 team consisted of 22 great players. Obviously the midfield was outstanding across the board, we had one of the great full forwards of all time in Suma, and an excellent backline, but I don't think that necessarily equates to having 22 great players filling every position in the team.

For example, our ruck (Harding) was serviceable at best, at CHF, Langdon gave a contest but not much else, and even the backline, probably one of the best of all time, really had only three genuine stars in Mckenna, Jakovich and McIntosh, with Brennan (at that time of his career, anyway), Worsfold and Waterman being more solid than anything else. The likes of Fatty Lamb, Peter Wilson, Pyke and co were not stars- they were well drilled, well coached solid players.

It unrealistic to expect any team to field 22 genuine stars- if nothing else, salary cap constraints rule that out.

The best you can hope for is an even, well drilled team with star power where it counts and decent depth. I think the big difference between us and a flag winning side is not in terms of raw talent or number of stars or any of that, its just that we haven't got a team which is experienced at playing together-the classic example is Johnson and McDougall- it looks very much as though we've found the answer to our forward line, but its going to take a while for them to become experienced and playing well with each other and the crumbers.

For what its worth, the only question left in my mind now about this year is how the fullback position is going to be filled. I'm confident our forward line will work okay, and if this current combo doesn't, there are a number of backup options available. The midfield is outstanding, our ruck should be the best in the league, and you'd have to be very happy with how Lynch is doing at CHB. Hopefully, when Hunter, Glass and Gaspar make their way back the rest of the backline situation will be sorted out.

As a side, I think we're about where the premiership team was in 1990 or thereabouts. I'm confident we have all the tools to win a flag, its just a question of letting the young guys develop together and mesh as a unit. I don't expect a flag this year (frankly though, other than Brisbane any supporter from any club who does expect that wouldn't be taken seriously), I do expect us to be in the top few teams in the league, and to be a far far better outfit by the end of the year than we are now.

 

[BT]

Originally posted by Geonet
I don't buy the idea that we are playing great when we win and just cruising at 50% when we lose.

Most teams supporters do that though.

I find it hard to swallow that the Eagles weren't keen on winning this game. Jackovich was interviewed on SEN 1116 during the week, he was certainly pumped up to perform well. It was a milestone game of sorts for him & you'd have thought his teammates would've had an extra edge because of it.

If they weren't fair dinkum for Jacko's sake it'd be a worry.

I agree with you lot that Lynch deserved a crack at Neeta, only innacuracy let Jacko off the hook.

 

[Geonet]

Originally posted by Mead

As a side, I think we're about where the premiership team was in 1990 or thereabouts. I'm confident we have all the tools to win a flag, its just a question of letting the young guys develop together and mesh as a unit.

I wish you are right. Nothing would give me more pleasure than another premiership and I badly want to be proven wrong. But all the signs for many years have been of a competitive Eagles (with the exception of the KJ years) but at the end of the season our team is flat and usually don't go further the first round of the finals. I still think that to win a premiership from Perth you have to have an exceptional team, "a la" 92 and 94 and though we now have a good team I don't think we are near the class of the Eagles of 10 and 12 year ago and will hardly get there any time soon. You can't build a fantastic team based only on the draft. You have also to count on classy players returning to Perth, but since they're being shared... "oops ducking away".

 

[Stakes]

You people do realise we were missing Banfield, Braun, Carroll, Collica, Gardiner, Gaspar, Glass, Hunter, Jones, Matera, and Wooden? Probably 11 players that would be the first picked in the team.

No use overreacting to a scratch match.

 

[Jabber]

Originally posted by Stakes
You people do realise we were missing Banfield, Braun, Carroll, Collica, Gardiner, Gaspar, Glass, Hunter, Jones, Matera, and Wooden? Probably 11 players that would be the first picked in the team.

No use overreacting to a scratch match.

Not quite, you can scrub Carroll and maybe Banfield & Collica from that list. Even so, it's obvious there was no desperation to win the game as compared to Melbourne. I'm happy as long as Woosha gives everyone a run in the remaining practise games.

 

[Stakes]

Originally posted by Jabber
Not quite, you can scrub Carroll and maybe Banfield & Collica from that list. Even so, it's obvious there was no desperation to win the game as compared to Melbourne. I'm happy as long as Woosha gives everyone a run in the remaining practise games.

Scrub Carroll? About 20 mins into that game I was wishing it was Carroll on Neitz and Jakovich the one being scrubbed.... Banfield and Collica fit would definately be in our best 22.

 

[Mead]

Originally posted by Stakes
Banfield and Collica fit would definately be in our best 22.

...

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by str8khlr

Jacko is a disgrace.

That just really ****s me. Are you even a WC supporter??

How about...

Jako played a bad game.

Jako wasnt up to the challenge of a superior in form Neitz.

Jakovich struggled for pace and was exploited.

But Jakovich was a disgrace? Your an idiot. Never once has Jako put on a WC guernsey and not given it everything he's got! He bleeds blue and gold, sure he didnt play his best game but comments like that are pathetic!

If anything, your a disgrace.