Sanfl coachHocking

[ab56452001]

Hi all , was wondering what others thought . Should it be our Sanfl coach's job to replicate at that level how we want to play in the Afl ?, or should it be mixed up more so to speak , learning the basics first , stuff like basic disposal skills , tackling , how to position ones self . We know that the whole squad mostly trains together but do they ever seperate them , and try something different for the team to play in the Sanfl because as we all know its a different style of game . We well may say that the Afl side of it is the number 1 priority , but if its NOT working at Afl level wouldn't we start trying something different in the ressies ?. By the way don't think ive ever seen Gazza ever pull of an original master stroke/move , does that equal yesman ?.

 

[Dalphonso]

No idea but I think he would be instructed to do what is best for the Power with his selections and moves?

 

[ab56452001]

So who would be responsible for the improvement ( or non ) in our second string players , or were they not very good picks to start with ? . Normally its the reserves grade coach/team's job to supply competent players to the " A " grade , to put pressure on the seniors so to speak and at the moment its not happening.

 

[John the Butcher]

Should there be an aflcoachvossy or aflcoachnicks shuffle?

 

[ab56452001]

Should there be an aflcoachvossy or aflcoachnicks shuffle?

What is Nicks official tittle/job ?

 

[Waspy79]

I saw blokes out there today that have been recruited by the club through the AFL national draft that couldn't even hit a target with a handball under little to no pressure less than 3 metres away, and cant kick 40 metres on the run. We've recruited poorly, or perhaps the good fortune of landing Wines and Wingard has been offset by all the garbage we've recruited around them. We desperately need to start hitting some draft picks or our mini-resurgance will quickly become a long forgotten memory, if it isn't already.

I like the idea of coaches having a game plan and it being executed throughout a club at all levels, but there's a lot to be said for playing players in positions which suit their skill set, and a game plan which best taps into it, as every player is different so no two teams will be alike.

 

[ab56452001]

I saw blokes out there today that have been recruited by the club through the AFL national draft that couldn't even hit a target with a handball under little to no pressure less than 3 metres away, and cant kick 40 metres on the run. We've recruited poorly, or perhaps the good fortune of landing Wines and Wingard has been offset by all the garbage we've recruited around them. We desperately need to start hitting some draft picks or our mini-resurgance will quickly become a long forgotten memory, if it isn't already.

I like the idea of coaches having a game plan and it being executed throughout a club at all levels, but there's a lot to be said for playing players in positions which suit their skill set, and a game plan which best taps into it, as every player is different so no two teams will be alike.

Well said

 

[mic59]

I got the impression watching the game with those little underground handballs that Hocking is trying to coach into the players what will be expected of them at AFL level. But if they are not of a sufficient skill yet to perform these moves except at training then I would hope him to be coaching them to win at SANFL, whether it is with the same moves as the AFL or not. A winning culture is what the SANFL team should be getting first and foremost and then the honing of AFL-type skills can follow. Some things just do not work that well in the SANFL with the lower quality of the grounds, the different ball and the different umpiring.

 

[tribey]

I saw blokes out there today that have been recruited by the club through the AFL national draft that couldn't even hit a target with a handball under little to no pressure less than 3 metres away, and cant kick 40 metres on the run. We've recruited poorly, or perhaps the good fortune of landing Wines and Wingard has been offset by all the garbage we've recruited around them. We desperately need to start hitting some draft picks or our mini-resurgance will quickly become a long forgotten memory, if it isn't already.

I like the idea of coaches having a game plan and it being executed throughout a club at all levels, but there's a lot to be said for playing players in positions which suit their skill set, and a game plan which best taps into it, as every player is different so no two teams will be alike.

Tom Jonas has been the Predator for the past four seasons. More than enough exposed form and over a long enough timeline to prove he's no fluke or flash in the pan.

This year he's been abominable.

He just might be carrying OP or a similarly 'manageable' injury on the quiet, but something's clearly wrong with the way we're doing things from last year to this year that speaks to failings well beyond "we've picked the wrong ones".

Mental, physical, technical? All of the above?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Tom Jonas has been the Predator for the past four seasons. More than enough exposed form and over a long enough timeline to prove he's no fluke or flash in the pan.

This year he's been abominable.

He just might be carrying OP or a similarly 'manageable' injury on the quiet, but something's clearly wrong with the way we're doing things from last year to this year that speaks to failings well beyond "we've picked the wrong ones".

Mental, physical, technical? All of the above?

I reckon he is carrying that groin injury he picked up last year and aggravated I think in the preseason, or in the first few games.

 

[Andre]

I reckon he is carrying that groin injury he picked up last year and aggravated I think in the preseason, or in the first few games.

Which if true would get added to the Polec management, as WTF are they doing? IF he's injured then it was obvious fairly early that a half fit Jonas isn't performing up to AFL standard. And Clurey is a suitable replacement.

I'd hope it's a case of form rather than injury or my neck is going to get sore from all the head shaking.

 

[rogerjames]

We were out coached yesterday imo. Not a fan of how our Magpies are coached. Such an inefficient game style. Don't enjoy watching Port teams play, too frustrating. Too much loser mentality in the approach for my liking

 

[Port 2004]

Tom Jonas has been the Predator for the past four seasons. More than enough exposed form and over a long enough timeline to prove he's no fluke or flash in the pan.

This year he's been abominable.

He just might be carrying OP or a similarly 'manageable' injury on the quiet, but something's clearly wrong with the way we're doing things from last year to this year that speaks to failings well beyond "we've picked the wrong ones".

Mental, physical, technical? All of the above?

Yeah good post. It has nothing to do with the talent on hand. There is something wrong with our game plan imo. And watching the Magpies yesterday was just like watching the Power this year. Holding onto the ball too long, no consistent and efficent spread and a refusal to take the game on through the corridor. It seems like they have tweaked the game plan and the whole squad is in soem sort of transition stage. The good as I saw it was Logan Austin. This kid is going to be something imo.

 

[ab56452001]

As you say , sometimes we stream forward then mess about with it instead of going the most direct way , seems to be done on purpose , following a club wide inefficient plan. How many times were we within easy kicking range of goals and instead we look to handball it or what ever ? , anybody that goes to our local or even Afl games knows the crowds reaction , kick the f#$king ball , and they are right !

 

[Alberton Proud]

I got the impression watching the game with those little underground handballs that Hocking is trying to coach into the players what will be expected of them at AFL level. But if they are not of a sufficient skill yet to perform these moves except at training then I would hope him to be coaching them to win at SANFL, whether it is with the same moves as the AFL or not. A winning culture is what the SANFL team should be getting first and foremost and then the honing of AFL-type skills can follow. Some things just do not work that well in the SANFL with the lower quality of the grounds, the different ball and the different umpiring.

If by "underground handball" you mean consistently handballing to the feet of the receiver then we are f#cking experts

 

[1954]

Regardless of players not producing, they lack the necessary skill, the game plan, or a combination of all 3, Buddha was definitely outcoached yesterday, as he was when the eagles beat the Maggies at Alberton.
The ease with which the eagles, and the tingles set up the loose man coming out of the defensive 50, particularly on the grandstand side, which resulted in goals to them, was very frustrating.

Also the play on at all costs stuff ( ala the Power game plan ) is fraught with danger when the ball is continually delivered to a team mate who is either flat footed and not in a position to receive it, or is surrounded by opposition players, which happened countless times yesterday.
Even when the receiving player was running past the deliverer and in the perfect position for the quick give the handball was regularly f***** up, often resulting in a turn over, a ball up, or the ring a ring a rosey bs of our dark days.

Call me a doomsdayer if you want ( personally I believe constructive critiscism is better than the rcg stuff ), but anyone who isn't concerned about both Port teams sheer inability to handle a zone, doesn't think much about what they are witnessing.

I like the idea of switching Voss with Buddha, but I believe we all have as much chance of winning cross lotto as there is of that happening this season.

 

[Waspy79]

Tom Jonas has been the Predator for the past four seasons. More than enough exposed form and over a long enough timeline to prove he's no fluke or flash in the pan.

This year he's been abominable.

He just might be carrying OP or a similarly 'manageable' injury on the quiet, but something's clearly wrong with the way we're doing things from last year to this year that speaks to failings well beyond "we've picked the wrong ones".

Mental, physical, technical? All of the above?

Couldn't agree more.

However I don't think singling out a first 18 upgraded rookie is the best example of our drafting failures though, as he's been a clear success up until the current form dip. I'm thinking more about our exposed lack of depth - what second round pick or beyond has actually become an AFL regular since Matthew Broadbent?

 

[Jonts]

I'm confused about why we're not sacrificing wins for development

Grinds my gears when we do things like take Austin off pods to put Sharrad on him

No heck off buddha, the top up players are just that the 16-22 player in the squad and they should play that role

I'd rather in that scenario we persist with Austin as a learning curve rather than put a top up player on him to better are chances of winning

 

[ozph1870]

I'm confused about why we're not sacrificing wins for development

Grinds my gears when we do things like take Austin off pods to put Sharrad on him

No heck off buddha, the top up players are just that the 16-22 player in the squad and they should play that role

I'd rather in that scenario we persist with Austin as a learning curve rather than put a top up player on him to better are chances of winning

Sharrad didn't play on pods at all.

 

[Jonts]

Sharrad didn't play on pods at all.

Apologies not 100% with top up names but my point stands

 

[ozph1870]

Apologies not 100% with top up names but my point stands

Nah your point is wrong, austin played the same role just on a different player.

 

[1954]

Sharrad didn't play on pods at all.

Agreed, Sid Masters picked up Pods for a while and did quite well because he outbodied him a couple of times.

 

[FallingLiefs]

I think the theory is more important than the specifics.

Are we trying to win SANFL or AFL games? Frustrates me to see PStew selected at HFF in the power despite rarely playing there in the SANFL. Why's butcher playing back when in the years prior to this one he has hardly played enough games in succession to etch out a forward craft. Why does SGray spend so much time midfield. I would prefer put all players in their planned position and fill in the gaps with top ups. then move around the players around to teach them something if required.

 

[Jonts]

So did our best two KPD's (power listed) play on their best two KPF's all game?

If the answer is no, then thats wrong. There is no point cheering about having our own reserves just to waste it by not allowing them every chance to develop regardless of the scoreboard

 

[ab56452001]

I haven't watched training in ages , can someone who does enlighten me as to Buddha's role , do his 22 train with the others all the time ? , or do the ressies peel off as a group and do separate drills sometimes , 2 different games , grounds , conditions and opponents , I would assume some game plans/drills would have to be different , wouldn't they ?.