SANFL Round 8

[TheLeftFist8]

So Sellar is getting back in the good books and is not the write off everyone expected?

Well not yet anyway!

At least the trend is slowly going upwards. He is a young KPP after all.

What has pleased me most in the last two weeks (i saw the North game in full) was a noticable improvement in intensity, attack at the contest, and willingness to get involved rather than spectate. He is no Jonathon Brown but he is looking less like Jericho (and yes Moran) everyday re intensity. Let's hope Bob can take a leaf out his book and improve his deficiency also.

 

[cmndstab]

Let's say I am making a real effort to find positives in Sellar's game He's nowhere near convinced me yet but at least I'm seeing something. Last year I wasn't seeing anything during the season that made me feel good about him.

 

[Drummond]

Nothing terribly exciting abouit the highlights:

Schmidt just looks to be a good SANFL player with no standout qualities ......not fast, ave mark, ave kick ....

Young .......don't know how anyone can draw any conclusions from that package .......did notice that he kicks the ball with a lot of hang time ......not good coming out of defence and gave the forwrds little chance due to the hang time

Sellar ......some good marks, kicks always drift left ......really needs to get more accurate with goal kicking
His use of body strength given the conditions and his bulk was poor

Kite looked the best, but it was reserve level and the standard is SO POOR and the players move so slow it makes Kite look so much better

Good to see you can sum up what a player has to offer from a 2 minute (at best) highlights package.

 

[cmndstab]

Come on D, that's what SANFL highlights packages are all about!

 

[WALL-e]

Let us have our dreams Drum.

Maybe I'll put some of my highlights of this weekends match up and you guys will put in a good word with the afc.....

Really though, Jims what, 20, 21? I did notice he still needs about 5 kg, but at least he attempts to hit packs hard and could spill the ball (cough Moran). That way if Tipp is rucking we don't have to bomb it to Dougie.

Either way, highlights or not, he is now getting a regular SANFL game, which he wasn't last year. Most on this board said they would be happy if that were so.

Try and forget where we was drafted and think of him as a mature age late pick who is speculative.

Because the second after you were drafted, it doesn't matter where you were drafted.

 

[-CG-]

Really though, Jims what, 20, 21? I did notice he still needs about 5 kg, but at least he attempts to hit packs hard and could spill the ball (cough Moran). That way if Tipp is rucking we don't have to bomb it to Dougie.

Try and forget where we was drafted and think of him as a mature age late pick who is speculative.

He turned 20 in March. He's only around a month older than Andy Otten.

 

[cmndstab]

Either way, highlights or not, he is now getting a regular SANFL game, which he wasn't last year. Most on this board said they would be happy if that were so.

I remember quite specifically what I said I'd be happy with I said I'd be happy if he held his place with the league side and dominated matches from time to time. Haven't seen a domination yet, though at least we saw one where he was in the bests.

 

[WALL-e]

He turned 20 in March. He's only around a month older than Andy Otten.

There ya go, and while he's LIGHTYEARS off Otten's form....remember Andy in those 2 games last year?
Now remember he's a big and a sport convert, now forget he was a 1st rounder.

Far from delistment as long as he tries, and from all accounts he's a good trainer.

The upsetting thing is a few have said he lacks (oh oh....word of the day) intensity at SANFL level. Not sure if that's an interest thing or what, buit hopefully it's stamped out.

 

[-CG-]

There ya go, and while he's LIGHTYEARS off Otten's form....remember Andy in those 2 games last year?

I wonder what people would think if Andy was doing ok in the SANFL now... Everyone seems to expect more from Sellar, although I can see where they're coming from as he's been in the system for longer, but he's still developing.

I just hope that Sellar can get another crack at AFL some stage this year so then at least we can judge whether he has some real potential here or not.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Good to see you can sum up what a player has to offer from a 2 minute (at best) highlights package.

What's the difference from commenting on the highlights of a high proportion of each players possessions ......and probably their best possessions (hence the term highlights) and watching the game on TV ......none!

So people if you watch any game other than live, please do not comment on any player performance ........Drummond says you can't

 

[Drummond]

What's the difference from commenting on the highlights of a high proportion of each players possessions ......and probably their best possessions (hence the term highlights) and watching the game on TV ......none!

So people if you watch any game other than live, please do not comment on any player performance ........Drummond says you can't

Don't be stupid.

Making the call that "Schmidt just looks to be a good SANFL player" from 2 minutes worth of highlight is ridiculous. We know he's not fast but he does take a strong mark and he does have good skills.

Young's kicking is his biggest weakness but he's been regularly finding a target believe it or not. There's a LOT to like about him.

Sellar, say whatever you want I'm not fussed.

And lastly, SANFL reserves standard isn't actually that bad.

 

[cmndstab]

Don't be stupid.

Making the call that "Schmidt just looks to be a good SANFL player" from 2 minutes worth of highlight is ridiculous. We know he's not fast but he does take a strong mark and he does have good skills.

Young's kicking is his biggest weakness but he's been regularly finding a target believe it or not. There's a LOT to like about him.

Sellar, say whatever you want I'm not fussed.

And lastly, SANFL reserves standard isn't actually that bad.

Of course, us saying so and so player looks the goods from a 2 minute clip is just as meaningful

The standard of the SANFL reserves is pretty good, but it's still a mile away from the AFL.

Still, at least these highlights give us the oppurtunity to make our own mind up instead of relying on canned AFC.com.au write-ups. They're getting longer all the time too, they were only a few minutes each last year, now they're almost ten minutes. They've gone from being highlights to practically synopses of the players who had the most impressive games. I like it

 

[DJ75]

The highlights as always are interested and limited.

Schmidt looked ok. I get the feeling he has been instructed to use handball as an attacking weapon. He tended to handball forward, almost as though looking for a one-two set up. I actually think that with better teammates those handballs would look very creative.

Young I liked (again). He's big, mobile and reads the play well. I could see him eventually replacing Rutten.

As for Sellar, well I'm just not sure. As I mentioned last week I've had respected people tell me he won't make it, but I'm not so sure. If you compare his play from last year to this year, he HAS improved in a whole range of areas. He is also only 20 and it might be worth considering that he will not peak until about 24-25. It just may be worth holding on to him for a while longer yet. Then again, my main query is what position will he play? He seems too short for ruck in AFL, and not mobile enough for a KPP. Is he a tweaner?

Kite showed some of the form from last year. Given how cr@p Norwood are I wonder if his non-selection is an attitude thing. Hopefully he gets that part right again and gets back into the A team. With his size and speed he could be very useful in the future.

 

[jo172]

And lastly, SANFL reserves standard isn't actually that bad.

I swear last year when Sellar was playing it your opinions were slightly different here

 

[magtrev]

The upsetting thing is a few have said he lacks (oh oh....word of the day) intensity at SANFL level. Not sure if that's an interest thing or what, buit hopefully it's stamped out.

Not so much lacking intensity, more lacking an understanding of where to go (reading the drop of the ball etc) and a horrendously slow reaction time.

 

[Tex200]

In regards to Sellar, I dont see him play so wont comment specifically. I think though all we can ask of a developing player is to show genuine improvement.

Last year, Bays were a top side and made it clear there was no gold pass for Sellar by keeping him in the 2's most of the year.

2009 he has by any standard improved. He is playing regular league football for the bays who are once again shaping to be a top side. Once again they would not be doing him any favours...he would have earnt those games.

Clear improvement by any measure..good on him. Hopefully a solid year in the SANFL will prepare him to play AFL soon.

 

[Cap]

Good Post Peter J.

He has improved there is no doubt about it. How far he has to go is another question

 

[Drummond]

Sellar might be improving but at the rate he’s going he might be something at the age of 25, in terms of a quality SANFL player. Yes he’s made improvements in the fact that he’s now getting a regular SANFL game but he’s not exactly setting the world on fire. Kicking one goal a game for a guy who is on his third year on an AFL list isn’t much to write home about. You’d expect guys who have trained so much with an AFL club, and practiced on an almost daily basis against some of the finest defenders in the competition would be starting to show signs of being AFL standard. To me he doesn’t.

Of all his flaws there is one that stands out a mile away. He has absolutely no football nous, other than as a ruckman. IMO he should be given a shot at AFL level in the ruck. If he fails then so be it, if he succeeds then maybe we’ve found a place for him. He stands at 196cm, in theory too small for a ruckman and quite possibly true but he regularly beats SANFL ruckman. Obviously that’s not a terrific indicator but it gives you some idea of how capable he is. He won’t make it as a forward. Too slow, doesn’t know when and where to lead, simply cannot read the game as a forward.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

IMO he should be given a shot at AFL level in the ruck. If he fails then so be it, if he succeeds then maybe we’ve found a place for him. He stands at 196cm, in theory too small for a ruckman and quite possibly true but he regularly beats SANFL ruckman. Obviously that’s not a terrific indicator but it gives you some idea of how capable he is.

I agree that he should be given a shot as a ruck.

Perfect time now (though if he gonna come in as a key position i want him in the SANFL for longer, but in ruck he could come in for a trial now).

Our other rucks are out of form, and Tippett needs to go forward more.

So for mine, I'd be happy to select Sellar or McKernan as a 2R/forward experiment.

Not much to lose, plenty to gain.

I just never get why 2cm of height is such a big deal? Other factors such as arm length, vertical leap, mobility, input around the ground (though Sellar may not do much here as yet), and actual rucking ability can surely bridge the gap of 2cm?

I'd love to see Sellar or McKernan v Maric for a whole game just to see who has the best results.

 

[rooboy]

I agree that he should be given a shot as a ruck.

Perfect time now (though if he gonna come in as a key position i want him in the SANFL for longer, but in ruck he could come in for a trial now).

Our other rucks are out of form, and Tippett needs to go forward more.

So for mine, I'd be happy to select Sellar or McKernan as a 2R/forward experiment.

Not much to lose, plenty to gain.

I just never get why 2cm of height is such a big deal? Other factors such as arm length, vertical leap, mobility, input around the ground (though Sellar may not do much here as yet), and actual rucking ability can surely bridge the gap of 2cm?

I'd love to see Sellar or McKernan v Maric for a whole game just to see who has the best results.

I also don't see why 2cm makes such a big difference to a ruckman. Paddy Ryder proves beyond doubt that a bloke who is smaller but with a great vertical leap , can dominate a taller opponent. Essendon rarely rucked Ryder, but with their injuries were forced to, with great results. I also recall Matt Robran being used in ruck and jumping all over much taller players. He would tire badly in the last quarter though.

So, if Sellar can jump, why not give him a go, but give him good rest as well.

 

[WALL-e]

I agree that he should be given a shot as a ruck.

Perfect time now (though if he gonna come in as a key position i want him in the SANFL for longer, but in ruck he could come in for a trial now).

Our other rucks are out of form, and Tippett needs to go forward more.

So for mine, I'd be happy to select Sellar or McKernan as a 2R/forward experiment.

Not much to lose, plenty to gain.

I just never get why 2cm of height is such a big deal? Other factors such as arm length, vertical leap, mobility, input around the ground (though Sellar may not do much here as yet), and actual rucking ability can surely bridge the gap of 2cm?

I'd love to see Sellar or McKernan v Maric for a whole game just to see who has the best results.

It's got to do more with wingspan which is usually larger witht hat extra few cm's, see Griff comparred to Msric.

But Sellar and Smack both had good wingspans and verticals.

Why not try Jim in the ruck.

 

[WALL-e]

I also don't see why 2cm makes such a big difference to a ruckman. Paddy Ryder proves beyond doubt that a bloke who is smaller but with a great vertical leap , can dominate a taller opponent. Essendon rarely rucked Ryder, but with their injuries were forced to, with great results. I also recall Matt Robran being used in ruck and jumping all over much taller players. He would tire badly in the last quarter though.

So, if Sellar can jump, why not give him a go, but give him good rest as well.

I'd rest him forward, like we do with Tipp.

Just rotate those 2.

 

[cmndstab]

I think the problem is that the club will be unlikely to play him as a pure ruckman. They'd want him to have some other string to his bow. His stint as a forward hasn't worked so far (not to say it won't but the signs aren't looking good), and his stint back wasn't fantastic either. I can't see him replacing either Maric or Griffin as a pure ruckman, and even both of those players have other strings to their bow (Maric as a goal-a-game forward, Griffin athletic around the ground).

 

[Drummond]

I think the problem is that the club will be unlikely to play him as a pure ruckman. They'd want him to have some other string to his bow. His stint as a forward hasn't worked so far (not to say it won't but the signs aren't looking good), and his stint back wasn't fantastic either. I can't see him replacing either Maric or Griffin as a pure ruckman, and even both of those players have other strings to their bow (Maric as a goal-a-game forward, Griffin athletic around the ground).

Except Griffin is a non event around the ground and I'd back Sellar to do a similar role (see U/18 Championships) and be just as successful...

 

[cmndstab]

He certainly has been a nonevent around the ground for a while now He showed some talent in it early on though. Wonder what happened to it.


I certainly would be against seeing Jim given a go, especially as he's now finally holding a spot in the league side, but I reckon we might be waiting a while for it to happen.