Schapelle Corby

[Gets!]

Your thoughts?

I reckon she is innocent. Poor girl.

Just watched that doco as well. SO many things dont make sense for her wanting to do this.

1. Who in their right minds would carry a massive 4kg bag of weed, through not one, but TWO, airports if they were trafficking it intentionally. There are direct flights from Brisbane to Bali.

2. The Cannabis was never tested, there is no security footage of the bag being handled or anything.

3. They tried to make her sign a form at the airport saying she confessed.

4. When asked whose bag it was by Indonesian customs, she said 'Mine'. Without a second thought and took ownership of the bag.

5. The rumours of Mercedes and her husband's alleged surf shop, which has not been found or proven to exist. Mercedes made a good simplt point in the doco, "If we owned a surf shop why would Schapelle bring her boogieboard, she could just borrow one".

6. The testimony of a fellow inmate who over heard other prisoners talking about how the drugs fell into the wrong hands. The bloke risked his own personal safety in order to this.

It just doesn't sit well with me. Since she has been in that hellhole, her Grandmother and her father have both passed away as well, and I was basically imagining my sister or whatever in the same situation. I would be devestated.

My dad reckons she is guilty, yet can't provide me with a reason for this. So frustrating arghh!

 

[Southerntakeover]

LOL.

I cant believe there are still people in the world who believe she was innocent.

So, these big international drug rings... they generally operate by just randomly throwing drugs into peoples bags do they?

Awesome.

 

[jenny61_99]

I just watched Part 1 too, and of course it all appears that she is innocent. The botched baggage handler situation is completely plausible. However, part 2 (when is that on?) doesn't look as though it is quite so clear cut. Will be interesting to watch.

Personally? I have no idea. But I remember the witch hunt against Lindy Chamberlain in the 80's... this is very much like that, so I tend to take the conservative "haven't got a clue" tack these days.

 

[Macca19]

Read in the paper today that the whole baggage handler excuse was a complete fabrication from her lawyer, who has lost his job for good and is up on criminal charges I think.

Ive got no doubt she did it, no matter how many crocodile tears she and her family can pull out.

 

[Southerntakeover]

The botched baggage handler situation is completely plausible.

LOL!

Not even the Lawyer who made up the story believes its plausible. He admits that it was a complete fabrication, and that there was nothing to suggest that it was at all possible.

 

[Gets!]

Well it looks like part 2 may see me do a 180 haha

 

[stu0411]

Doesn't the whole family just personify the word "Bogan"

 

[Crow-mo]

my thoughts:

if she were ugly, you'd want to burn the witch.

 

[Crow-mo]

Your thoughts?

I reckon she is innocent. Poor girl.

Just watched that doco as well. SO many things dont make sense for her wanting to do this.

1. Who in their right minds would carry a massive 4kg bag of weed, through not one, but TWO, airports if they were trafficking it intentionally. There are direct flights from Brisbane to Bali.

2. The Cannabis was never tested, there is no security footage of the bag being handled or anything.

3. They tried to make her sign a form at the airport saying she confessed.

4. When asked whose bag it was by Indonesian customs, she said 'Mine'. Without a second thought and took ownership of the bag.

5. The rumours of Mercedes and her husband's alleged surf shop, which has not been found or proven to exist. Mercedes made a good simplt point in the doco, "If we owned a surf shop why would Schapelle bring her boogieboard, she could just borrow one".

6. The testimony of a fellow inmate who over heard other prisoners talking about how the drugs fell into the wrong hands. The bloke risked his own personal safety in order to this.

It just doesn't sit well with me. Since she has been in that hellhole, her Grandmother and her father have both passed away as well, and I was basically imagining my sister or whatever in the same situation. I would be devestated.

My dad reckons she is guilty, yet can't provide me with a reason for this. So frustrating arghh!

how about for a good reason, the fact that she would've been convicted with the same evidence in an australian court?

 

[Vince Van Mackay]

dumb ugly guilty broad.

She can cry all she wants, good, perhaps it will make other idiots think again before they break other countries laws.

 

[Southerntakeover]

my thoughts:

if she were ugly, you'd want to burn the witch.

I said that in a convo to someone earlier.

People wonder why she took the bag, when her (convicted of drug offenses, and assualt) brother was carrying it originally.

They arent stupid, they realized that shed be able to work the tear jerker angle, and try to get off.

 

[James23]

i think her brother did it, and she took the blame for him.

 

[maccas_no1]

Read in the paper today that the whole baggage handler excuse was a complete fabrication from her lawyer, who has lost his job for good and is up on criminal charges I think.

Ive got no doubt she did it, no matter how many crocodile tears she and her family can pull out.

Would be physically impossible to get that much cannibis airside and into a bag without being detected.

 

[maccas_no1]

Doesn't the whole family just personify the word "Bogan"

The brother is the male version of Mercedes with those teeth of his.

Im sure they are Port Power supporters

 

[jenny61_99]

Would be physically impossible to get that much cannibis airside and into a bag without being detected.

How come the baggage handler that was brought in to testify said that a boogie board weighing that much (4 kilos more than normal) would have been picked up by the handlers and supervisors made to know that something was not right? It was also mentioned that the closed circuit tvs were not working in Brissie that day. As for there being enough evidence to convict her in an Australian court... I disagree. There was poor handling of the "evidence" - no fingerprinting of either external or internal bag to find evidence of her fingerprints. Add to that that every man and his dog handled the bag AND the gunja. No tests were done on the gunja to see where it was grown. There was no motive (ie. not a drug user (urine test was clear), no urgent need of cash, was planning to stay 2 weeks rather than the quick turn around trip of a usual drug mule - as the criminal expert pointed out). Combine that with the baggage handlers comments and there was enough "reasonable doubt" to see the prosecution lose in our law courts. As with Lindy Chamberlain 20 years before her, Schapelle is being hung drawn and quartered by every man and their dog without knowing the full story. She's being judged on her looks, the families looks, the bloke who stepped in to help her... etc.etc.etc. My immediate reaction on hearing the story was that she was guilty. On hearing the evidence, I was not so convinced. Either way, by the time she gets out of jail she will have served (well and truly) the sentence required in an Australian prison if she were guilty but in much more atrocious conditions. She will receive a truck load of "exclusive story" offers which will recompense her to some degree (although she'll never gain the time lost back).

 

[Southerntakeover]

How come the baggage handler that was brought in to testify said that a boogie board weighing that much (4 kilos more than normal) would have been picked up by the handlers and supervisors made to know that something was not right? It was also mentioned that the closed circuit tvs were not working in Brissie that day. As for there being enough evidence to convict her in an Australian court... I disagree. There was poor handling of the "evidence" - no fingerprinting of either external or internal bag to find evidence of her fingerprints. Add to that that every man and his dog handled the bag AND the gunja. No tests were done on the gunja to see where it was grown. There was no motive (ie. not a drug user (urine test was clear), no urgent need of cash, was planning to stay 2 weeks rather than the quick turn around trip of a usual drug mule - as the criminal expert pointed out). Combine that with the baggage handlers comments and there was enough "reasonable doubt" to see the prosecution lose in our law courts. As with Lindy Chamberlain 20 years before her, Schapelle is being hung drawn and quartered by every man and their dog without knowing the full story. She's being judged on her looks, the families looks, the bloke who stepped in to help her... etc.etc.etc. My immediate reaction on hearing the story was that she was guilty. On hearing the evidence, I was not so convinced. Either way, by the time she gets out of jail she will have served (well and truly) the sentence required in an Australian prison if she were guilty but in much more atrocious conditions. She will receive a truck load of "exclusive story" offers which will recompense her to some degree (although she'll never gain the time lost back).

FFS sake, this is ridiculous.

Even the bastard who made the baggage handler story up doesnt friggin believe it.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/national/corby-lawyer-admits-lie/2008/06/22/1214073089726.html

 

[jenny61_99]

FFS sake, this is ridiculous.

Even the bastard who made the baggage handler story up doesnt friggin believe it.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/national/corby-lawyer-admits-lie/2008/06/22/1214073089726.html

I don't care! There is enough reasonable doubt in MY mind that means I am NOT prepared to hang the girl.

 

[Southerntakeover]

How come the baggage handler that was brought in to testify said that a boogie board weighing that much (4 kilos more than normal) would have been picked up by the handlers and supervisors made to know that something was not right?

He was trying to get her off perhaps?

It was also mentioned that the closed circuit tvs were not working in Brissie that day.

Shit! Maybe the baggage handlers were on the Grassy Knoll?

As for there being enough evidence to convict her in an Australian court... I disagree. There was poor handling of the "evidence" - no fingerprinting of either external or internal bag to find evidence of her fingerprints.

Man gets in an altercation, is arrested, has his pockets searched, and a bag of weed is found.

Do you really think they fingerprint the bag to find out of he touched it?

Add to that that every man and his dog handled the bag AND the gunja. No tests were done on the gunja to see where it was grown.

So what?

There was no motive (ie. not a drug user (urine test was clear), no urgent need of cash, was planning to stay 2 weeks rather than the quick turn around trip of a usual drug mule - as the criminal expert pointed out).

Money is ALWAYS a motive.

So what if she was planning to stay? Means nothing...

Combine that with the baggage handlers comments and there was enough "reasonable doubt" to see the prosecution lose in our law courts.

No, there really wasnt. Theres pretty much no doubt. The baggage hander routine was one of the most ridiculous stories ever concocted. Even the lawyer who made it up admits it was garbage.

As with Lindy Chamberlain 20 years before her, Schapelle is being hung drawn and quartered by every man and their dog without knowing the full story.

Rubbish. She was defended to the hilt for no apparent reason, by people who werent even convinced of her innocence.

She's being judged on her looks, the families looks, the bloke who stepped in to help her... etc.etc.etc. My immediate reaction on hearing the story was that she was guilty. On hearing the evidence, I was not so convinced. Either way, by the time she gets out of jail she will have served (well and truly) the sentence required in an Australian prison if she were guilty but in much more atrocious conditions. She will receive a truck load of "exclusive story" offers which will recompense her to some degree (although she'll never gain the time lost back).

Being judged on her looks? Bullshit.

She was defended entirely on her looks.

Tell me that if it was a bloke with a beard and tats there would have been a public outcry?

No, people defended her because she teared up with some shitty little sob story, and threw the melodrama out there.

She, and her family, played the publics emotions to a T. She deserves no sympathy.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I don't care! There is enough reasonable doubt in MY mind that means I am NOT prepared to hang the girl.

So, you are willing to believe an excuse given by someone who doesnt even believe it themselves?

If im ever accused of something, i want you on my jury.

 

[relapse]

The story I have heard which is along the similar lines as the baggage handler one was that the drugs were never supposed to go to Bali and were meant to be taken at Sydney by a contact of the family who works as a baggage handler.

She knew the drugs were in the bag, but the bag wasn't supposed to end up in Bali and the bag was supposed to be intercepted at Sydney.

The purpose of taking that much dope to Bali doesnt make sense and there is a higher street value in Australia than over there for it.

 

[jenny61_99]

So, you are willing to believe an excuse given by someone who doesnt even believe it themselves?

If im ever accused of something, i want you on my jury.

Did the union guy perjure himself? Or were his responses accurate? Whether or not Corby's defence team made up the whole concept of baggage handlers being involved or not is irrelevant. Would the Transport union bloke make up what he said?? He specifically said a boogie board weighing 4 kilos more than normal would be picked up.

I guess THIS was all crap then?

Baggage handlers probed over drugs

May 11, 2005


Sydney airport baggage handlers were key players in a big drug smuggling syndicate, helping to bring millions of dollars worth of cocaine into Australia, police believe.
Police yesterday continued to round up suspects in an alleged conspiracy to smuggle up to $15 million of cocaine in suitcases from South America, and issued a warrant for the arrest of two more men, including a former Balmain rugby league player.
Five of the 11 men arrested on Monday over the alleged drug racket also faced court yesterday and all were refused bail.
Mike Phelan, the Australian Federal Police's national manager of Border and International Operations, yesterday identified baggage handlers at Sydney airport as key players in the racket.
"We believe that the importations themselves were to be facilitated through the use of suitcases that would then be picked up by baggage handlers," Mr Phelan said.
Baggage is transported between Sydney's domestic and international terminals by baggage handlers, Sydney Airport Corporations Limited spokesman Rod Gilmour said.

 

[Southerntakeover]

The purpose of taking that much dope to Bali doesnt make sense and there is a higher street value in Australia than over there for it.

Its not always that simple.

Bali is frequently used as a midway point.

 

[relapse]

How come the baggage handler that was brought in to testify said that a boogie board weighing that much (4 kilos more than normal) would have been picked up by the handlers and supervisors made to know that something was not right? It was also mentioned that the closed circuit tvs were not working in Brissie that day. As for there being enough evidence to convict her in an Australian court... I disagree. There was poor handling of the "evidence" - no fingerprinting of either external or internal bag to find evidence of her fingerprints. Add to that that every man and his dog handled the bag AND the gunja. No tests were done on the gunja to see where it was grown. There was no motive (ie. not a drug user (urine test was clear), no urgent need of cash, was planning to stay 2 weeks rather than the quick turn around trip of a usual drug mule - as the criminal expert pointed out). Combine that with the baggage handlers comments and there was enough "reasonable doubt" to see the prosecution lose in our law courts. As with Lindy Chamberlain 20 years before her, Schapelle is being hung drawn and quartered by every man and their dog without knowing the full story. She's being judged on her looks, the families looks, the bloke who stepped in to help her... etc.etc.etc. My immediate reaction on hearing the story was that she was guilty. On hearing the evidence, I was not so convinced. Either way, by the time she gets out of jail she will have served (well and truly) the sentence required in an Australian prison if she were guilty but in much more atrocious conditions. She will receive a truck load of "exclusive story" offers which will recompense her to some degree (although she'll never gain the time lost back).

The justice system in Bali is nowhere near the system in Australia which places far more emphasis on evidence and the basis that conviction can only be given when someone is guilty beyond all shadow of a doubt. There are so many holes in the evidence that would never have happened in Australia.

IMO I believe the case as it was wouldnt have convicted Corby in Australia.

 

[relapse]

Its not always that simple.

Bali is frequently used as a midway point.

Well that could be true, I am only going by what I heard which would most probably be total hearsay.

 

[jenny61_99]

He was trying to get her off perhaps?

Would he perjure himself in an effort to do so, or was he telling the truth. Looking at that other story of 2005 indicates that the "possibility" that baggage handlers could have been involved was real. Thereby creating "reasonable doubt".

Shit! Maybe the baggage handlers were on the Grassy Knoll?

Can't refute actual evidence. Much harder to detect something is not right if cameras aren't working. A co-incidence - perhaps... but it is something else to add fuel to the fire. It's called reasonable doubt.

Man gets in an altercation, is arrested, has his pockets searched, and a bag of weed is found. Do you really think they fingerprint the bag to find out of he touched it?

Man does not have 4.2 kilos of gunja in his pocket. Much harder to deny the gunja is his as it was found IN HIS pocket. Much easier to deny 4 kilo bag of gunja in boogie board that has been handled by many more people than just yourself. Standard forensic procedure is to prove the evidence belongs to the suspect. Very hard to prove if every man and his dog touches the bag. That is why you see forensic people wear gloves so they don't tamper with or effect the forensic evidence.

Money is ALWAYS a motive.
So what if she was planning to stay? Means nothing...

Typical drug mules fly in, deliver the goods and fly straight back out. They are only interested in the cash - not a two week holiday in Bali! Her profile did not match that of a drug mule. Again creates a reasonable doubt.

No, there really wasnt. Theres pretty much no doubt. The baggage hander routine was one of the most ridiculous stories ever concocted. Even the lawyer who made it up admits it was garbage.

Judging by the story previously pointed out to you.. the baggage handler story was NOT ridiculous at all. Her defence team obviously knew about this case and tried to use it as her defence - as you would expect. That doesn't make her guilty, it makes them clever for trying to come up with a plausible explanation for how the gunja got in her bag in the first place. That's what they are paid to do. I didn't say I believed that this is what happened to her, however I felt it was a very plausible possible explanation.

Rubbish. She was defended to the hilt for no apparent reason, by people who werent even convinced of her innocence.

Lindy Chamberlain was mostly vilified. Because she didn't cry. Because she was a 7th day Adventist. Because of silly rumours that were made up. Because of very bad forensic evidence.

I am not saying Schapelle didn't do it. I am saying, however, that there is enough reasonable doubt in my mind to say that she may not. Is it not possible that the lawyer - who she sacked because she was jailed for 20 years, isn't suffering a case of "____ you" because he was sacked?