Selection Issues

[Jetwa5h]

Not all at ounce per say but wouldn't mind seeing CEY, Cameron, Lyons get a sniff also

 

[TheLeftFist8]

So in 4 weeks we could have (obviously Hendo missing):

B: Hartigan, Rutten, Jaensch
HB: Brown, Talia, Smith
C: Mackay, Dangerfield, Sloane
HF: Lynch, Jenkins, Grigg
F: Betts, Walker, Laird
1R: Jacobs, Kerridge, Douglas
Int: B Crouch, Otten, 2 of S Thompson/M Crouch/Wright.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Not all at ounce per say but wouldn't mind seeing CEY, Cameron, Lyons get a sniff also

Agreed, no doubt injuries will provide the opportunity.

If not we must manufacture opportunities.

 

[Wood_Duck]

So in 4 weeks we could have (obviously Hendo missing):

B: Hartigan, Rutten, Jaensch
HB: Brown, Talia, Smith
C: Mackay, Dangerfield, Sloane
HF: Lynch, Jenkins, Grigg
F: Betts, Walker, Laird
1R: Jacobs, Kerridge, Douglas
Int: B Crouch, Otten, 2 of S Thompson/M Crouch/Wright.

I reckon Podsiadly is going to cause a few meltdowns in a couple of weeks time.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Pods out for Walker? Turn it up.

Walker (and Lynch) coming back will finally see Pods playing his proper role.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Pods out for Walker? Turn it up.

Walker coming back will finally see Pods playing his proper role.

I'm actually one who wouldn't mind this as i think we can make a taller forward structure work (especially with Betts and Laird down there).

However, the Crows have lately preferred a 2 tall structure. I assume this is partly due to personnel plus we've had Danger playing tall down there. So let's say when Lynch returns we go with a 3 tall forward line given he's pretty much a flanker.

That's 1) Lynch 2) Jenkins 3) Pods.

Now if we stay will 3 tall forwards who goes for Walker. If it's Jenkins who gives Jacobs a rest?

 

[AFC979810]

For mine the following 11 players when fit are the only absolute automatic selections: Sloane, Talia, Walker, Betts, Jacobs, Douglas, Lynch, Dangerfield, Smith, Henderson, B Crouch.

In what world is Henderson an automatic inclusion? He only played 14 games last year and played the easiest position on the ground. The same position that saw Brent Reilly included in the All Australian Squad and the resurgence of Matt Jaensch this season.

Credit where credit is due - the players need to perform, but the structure of Sando's gameplan is getting the loose man out of defence a big bonus every year.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

In what world is Henderson an automatic inclusion? He only played 14 games last year and played the easiest position on the ground. The same position that saw Brent Reilly included in the All Australian Squad and the resurgence of Matt Jaensch this season.

Credit where credit is due - the players need to perform, but the structure of Sando's gameplan is getting the loose man out of defence a big bonus every year.

We shall see.

Smith is the only other player in this squad remotely like Henderson (better than Hendo). He will play in the midfield where he is desperately needed and Hendo will be the 2nd player chosen in the defensive line-up behind the 1st choice in Talia.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I'm actually one who wouldn't mind this as i think we can make a taller forward structure work (especially with Betts and Laird down there).

However, the Crows have lately preferred a 2 tall structure. I assume this is partly due to personnel plus we've had Danger playing tall down there. So let's say when Lynch returns we go with a 3 tall forward line given he's pretty much a flanker.

That's 1) Lynch 2) Jenkins 3) Pods.

Now if we stay will 3 tall forwards who goes for Walker. If it's Jenkins who gives Jacobs a rest?

You play all four.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

You play all four.

I don't mind that, but my 4 talls forward would include Otten (on bench initially).

Or Otten takes a defensive post instead of Rutten or Hartigan, but without Hendo in the team and Shaw being underwhelming, I'm looking forward to Otten's return for his flexibility. Flexibility is somewhat overrated but i reckon you do need 1-2 players in a 22 who can cover eventualities. Therefore, if it's a toss up i go Otten>Pods.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I don't mind that, but my 4 talls forward would include Otten (on bench initially).

Or Otten takes a defensive post instead of Rutten or Hartigan, but without Hendo in the team and Shaw being underwhelming, I'm looking forward to Otten's return for his flexibility. Flexibility is somewhat overrated but i reckon you do need 1-2 players in a 22 who can cover eventualities. Therefore, if it's a toss up i go Otten>Pods.

Geez I forgot about Otten...

 

[Vader]

When I say reward sanfl form I think we need to start getting some games into our youngsters.

We don't have that many youngsters on our list right now. Have a look at the POTY thread and note how small the list of ROTY eligible players we have - then compare that list with a similar thread from last year or the year before.

Not only do we not have a lot of them, but even less of them are ready to play AFL at this point in time. CEY is probably the only one close to selection - and most people watching him in the SANFL think he's a fair way off too (at least according to the match reports here on BF). That's largely a result of our lack of high draft picks in recent years - Talia & Smith are the only top-20 selections we've had in the last 5 years and it's ages since either of those have spent any time in the SANFL. Most of the other draftees taken in that time were "project" players, who were either a long way off being ready physically, or had some fairly serious flaws in their game which needed addressing. In any case, none of them (other than CEY) are currently pressing for AFL selection.

The team which played yesterday had 8 players with <50 games and 15 with <100. I'd say we're already playing the kids.

 

[Bailey01]

Porps won't come back. VB shouldn't be an automatic inclusion.

Petrenko, Martin, Reilly the first 3 to go after that.

Pods out for Walker.

Depending on match-ups down back, Rutten may miss some games. I'd like to see a harsher line on S Thompson if he regresses also.

Hartigan, Laird, Wright are playing well but are the types that may never be automatic inclusions.

M Crouch will be an auto one day but he will need a rest at some stage. B Crouch may have built up sufficient fitness by then, though may come in earlier.

For mine the following 11 players when fit are the only absolute automatic selections: Sloane, Talia, Walker, Betts, Jacobs, Douglas, Lynch, Dangerfield, Smith, Henderson, B Crouch.

There are many others close to it atm such as Otten, Kerridge, Grigg, Jaensch, Brown, Mackay, M Crouch, Jenkins.

Lairdy is an automatic selection cmon man

 

[huludicidal]

You play all four.

Agree.

Lynch goes up the ground more, Pods can swing into defense when required, Walker always leads up to the wing anyway and Jenkins stays forward.

Our "fantasy world where everyone is fit and in form at the same time" team would look like this on paper IMO:

B: Otten Rutten Laird
HB: Smith Talia Brown
C: Mackay S Thompson Sloane
HF: Lynch Walker Douglas
F: Betts Jenkins Podsiadly
R: Jacobs Dangerfield B Crouch

Int (from): Grigg, Henderson, van Berlo, Wright, Kerridge, Jaensch, M Crouch, Reilly, Petrenko, CEY, Lyons, Shaw, Hartigan


Jaensch has absolutely nailed down his spot in the side for the time being, van Berlo would be an automatic selection once fully fit due to his standing at the club, Henderson would be a walk up start I would imagine, which leaves the rest of those guys fighting for one spot (along with perhaps Podsiadly and guys like Brown, Jenkins and Mackay who can drift out of form).

Otten isn't given the respect he deserves on this board at times. Is an absolutely crucial player for us and is in the first dozen selected when fit.

Hartigan takes over from Truck in 2015. Can't have all of Truck, Hartigan, Talia, Otten, Lynch, Pods in the same 22.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Was thinking this morning "if" we remain more or less injury free (touch wood) who comes out when our other guys return? Below is our current injury list. I can see maybe Pods for Tex, Lynch for maybe Martin, VB for say Reilly but who go's out for the rest, I understand that they all will not come in at ounce. Then if they come in how do we then get games into players like CEY, Cameron, Lyons etc?

Grigg
Porps
Lynch
Otten
Crouch Snr
Hendo
VB
Tex

Lynch - next week for Martin
Grigg - no certainty to come back in next week or in best-22 going forward, but if he does, will squeeze out a defender in Laird, Reilly or Brown (MJ is safe in the short-term)... or Pets if his form fades again in a few weeks.
Otten - likely to come back in 1-2 weeks for Hartigan or Reilly (depending on matchups).
Tex - probably back after the break & will be either Pods or a small like Grigg/Pets/Wright if we decide to go taller.
B Crouch - not back for a while but probably replace one of the same as the Tex small replacement options or his brother if the 1st season caught up with him.

Porps - not in our best-22.
Hendo - may not see back this year, but if he does, will squeeze out the other of Hartigan or Reilly or MJ if his form slips.
VB - won't see this year.

 

[Allefgib]

Assuming they are good enough, and developing, I would like to see us push for the younger guys to play as they come off the injury list and prove they're read (if necessary) in the SANFL.

Guys to make way:
Pods - plays when other key forwards are not fit and in form, otherwise can develop our next set of guys in the SANFL. I'm with Duck though.. reckon he will cause some meltdowns when Walker is ready..... (i.e. Sando likely to be reluctant to drop him)

Reilly - time to move on. If he's fighting fit and dominating SANFL, he can get games at the expense of underperforming players in the 22. Otherwise we have too many young guys to pump games into to justify playing him just because of his experience. We moved on without him last year - he now has to earn his spot.

Rutten - god this one pains me. I'm starting to see vulnerability creeping into our rock. Still has a massive role to play and his ability and leadership makes it crucial to play him alongside our developing KPD's as often as we can afford. I'm not sure we afford that game in game out however if everyone is fit and raring to go. Could come a time soon (probably when Otten returns) that we need to consider Kartidgan playing Key back and Truck to have a rest. If Kardigan performs... Truck may struggle to get back and hold his spot. Rest him up, get him sprinting the weeks he doesnt play.. and have him cherry ripe just in case we make finals...

Crouch Jnr - will run out of legs at some point this year. So he will make way for someone else. Gotta play him every chance we can get and he is able of putting in 4 quarter (or at least 3 quarter efforts if played as sub) efforts.

Martin - when is his contract up? Not sure I'd be renewing it at this point. Need young talent coming through and unfortunately he hasn't made it. Sure there are reasons - there are reasons HUNDREDS of guys never have 100+ game AFL careers.

Petrenko - not calling for his head this week, but the reality is unless he comes on in leaps and bounds with his confidence (and assuming other guys come back from injury and have good form in SANFL), he won't be able to hold guys out of the side for the rest of the season.

 

[AFC979810]

Not only do we not have a lot of them, but even less of them are ready to play AFL at this point in time. CEY is probably the only one close to selection - and most people watching him in the SANFL think he's a fair way off too (at least according to the match reports here on BF). That's largely a result of our lack of high draft picks in recent years - Talia & Smith are the only top-20 selections we've had in the last 5 years and it's ages since either of those have spent any time in the SANFL. Most of the other draftees taken in that time were "project" players, who were either a long way off being ready physically, or had some fairly serious flaws in their game which needed addressing. In any case, none of them (other than CEY) are currently pressing for AFL selection.

Went down and watched the 2's.

CEY is too athletically gifted for the SANFL. He gets plenty of the ball, but his disposal by foot is very sloppy and will be a massive liability at AFL level at this stage. I understand why we haven't brought him so far considering the amount of goals we leaked from direct turnovers in the first 3 rounds.

Still - vital we get at least 3 games into him at AFL level this year. Give him a taste. He is the ideal project player. He has improved remarkably in the last 12 months. Gone from struggling in the WWT seconds to being in our best over the first 2 SANFL games. Definitely positive signs, but we have to give him a taste.

The good news is that we have now (hopefully) already drawn a line through Martin & Porps.

 

[Vader]

Went down and watched the 2's.

CEY is too athletically gifted for the SANFL. He gets plenty of the ball, but his disposal by foot is very sloppy and will be a massive liability at AFL level at this stage. I understand why we haven't brought him so far considering the amount of goals we leaked from direct turnovers in the first 3 rounds.

Still - vital we get at least 3 games into him at AFL level this year. Give him a taste. He is the ideal project player. He has improved remarkably in the last 12 months. Gone from struggling in the WWT seconds to being in our best over the first 2 SANFL games. Definitely positive signs, but we have to give him a taste.

The good news is that we have now (hopefully) already drawn a line through Martin & Porps.

I would be more than happy to see him given a taste - and 3 games sounds about right for the year. More to be expected from him in 2015.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Our "fantasy world where everyone is fit and in form at the same time" team would look like this on paper IMO:

B: Otten Rutten Laird
HB: Smith Talia Brown
C: Mackay S Thompson Sloane
HF: Lynch Walker Douglas
F: Betts Jenkins Podsiadly
R: Jacobs Dangerfield B Crouch

Int (from): Grigg, Henderson, van Berlo, Wright, Kerridge, Jaensch, M Crouch, Reilly, Petrenko, CEY, Lyons, Shaw, Hartigan

Excluding VB & Hendo as long-term injuries ... & limited form so far (which can change things quickly):

B: Otten, Rutten, Brown
HB: Jaensch, Talia, Smith
C: Mackay, Dangerfield, Sloane
HF: Lynch, Jenkins, Douglas
F: Betts, Walker, Wright
R: Jacobs, Kerridge, B Crouch
I: S Thompson, Podsiadly, Laird, Grigg

 

[Wright Away]

"Best 22" is such an unusual term. It's highly subjective. Both Porps and Reilly are in our best 22 if playing to their potential. Neither are old enough to write off yet, but nor do either of them seem like they're about to recapture any form.

I'm not sure that I agree that Lynch is automatically in our best 22.

From our team on the weekend, I'd suggest that Hartigan, Jaensch, Martin, Pods, Patrenko and M. Crouch are not in our best 22 (though both Hartigan and Crouch are likely to be in the next 2-3 years).

Porplyzia and Reilly are absolutely old enough to write off.

Reilly 31 this year
Porps 30 this year

They are both finished.

"Envoyé depuis mon GT-I9300 avec Tapatalk"

 

[AFC979810]

Rutten - god this one pains me. I'm starting to see vulnerability creeping into our rock. Still has a massive role to play and his ability and leadership makes it crucial to play him alongside our developing KPD's as often as we can afford. I'm not sure we afford that game in game out however if everyone is fit and raring to go. Could come a time soon (probably when Otten returns) that we need to consider Kartidgan playing Key back and Truck to have a rest. If Kardigan performs... Truck may struggle to get back and hold his spot. Rest him up, get him sprinting the weeks he doesnt play.. and have him cherry ripe just in case we make finals...

Say what you want about the club - the one thing we do better than anyone is develop KPF/KPD. Over the past 10 years we have had Rutten,Bock,Davis,Talia and now Hartigan and developed Hentschel,Walker,Tippett... A club like Carlton could only dream of ever having access to that kind of tall timber.

Hartigan is probably the best news story of 2014 so far for us, especially when considering that we already have one of the best defenders in the league in Talia. He will have his ups and downs, but we need to ensure we get 20 games into him this year. Already averaging 17.5 disposals a game and provides more run and dash than both Talia and Rutten. If we are to be a premiership threat, we can only carry one of either Talia or Rutten. Rebound footy off the halfback is the most important thing in the AFL right now.

 

[Smithalicious]

Is there anyone else in the SANFL that we could also get games into this year? Do you think Kelly, Spina, Battersby, etc. could receive a call up for a couple of games to get the taste of AFL and know the speed they will have to play at?

 

[AFC979810]

Is there anyone else in the SANFL that we could also get games into this year? Do you think Kelly, Spina, Battersby, etc. could receive a call up for a couple of games to get the taste of AFL and know the speed they will have to play at?

Loved Kelly's game on Saturday... Great disposal. His biggest issue is that Jaensch, Laird, Brown are all ahead of him for that smaller defender role. Would need 2/3 to get injured to get a call up.

 

[Matman23]

Loved Kelly's game on Saturday... Great disposal. His biggest issue is that Jaensch, Laird, Brown are all ahead of him for that smaller defender role. Would need 2/3 to get injured to get a call up.

afc.com have him at 189cm. I know that can often mean nothing but when I seen him play the other week he did look to have a bit of size to him. Probably more the Otten, Reilly or Henderson type.

 

[AFC979810]

afc.com have him at 189cm. I know that can often mean nothing but when I seen him play the other week he did look to have a bit of size to him. Probably more the Otten, Reilly or Henderson type.

Jeez - CEY just looked much bigger to me and I thought he was about that 188cm.