Opinion Should the team ask for a Priority Pick 2025 edition.

[Lia]

Did I say priority pick? I said help!

In the priority pick thread.

 

[Scotland]

I don't agree with this "Damo has been consistent" crap. Maybe at some point in the hours and hours of content he does every month he can go through and cherry pick out some quotes from the past where he expressed some discomfort about AFL assistance to other clubs. But that wouldn't be representative of his overall stance.

He certainly didn't wage a jihad against help to other clubs like he has with us. He is writing articles bitching and moaning about it all season with us and using very aggressive and emotive language to galvanise his audience to join his jihad. He was absolutely NOT doing that when the AFL helped North. So i do not accept that he has been consistent at all.

And if his reason is that the draft is already too compromised then maybe he join the majority of AFL fans in demanding that that be rectified. Which he hasn't so far. He has toed the AFL's line in supporting the free kicks to the Northern clubs. But now he admits and cites that problem as a reason not help a club whose rebuild has been severely impacted by it.

The journos are salty because we didn't sack Simmo in 2023 when they said we would, then we didn't trade pick 1 when they said we would, then we didn't pass on Harley Reid etc. etc.

Every club at the bottom of the ladder has suffered "self-inflicted pain". Gold Coast traded pick 2 for an average player in Lachie Weller in 2017. Two years later, priority pick 2. Not really going out on a limb to say Andrew Brayshaw might have helped them. West Coast are still being hounded for trading a couple of picks in the late teens 6 years ago.

I agree PPs should be scrapped and the FA compo system is a farce. There are lot of things in the AFL that are broken. But the time to fix them isn't 20 rounds into the season because they aren't giving you the outcome you would like. We see the same arse about logic most years with red cards and send offs. Other than maybe after Tom Lynch against the Crows has anyone mentioned it this year? I haven't noticed personally. You watch the next time someone does a Barry Hall or Andrew Gaff it will be back on the agenda. Just not in the off season...

'They won a flag in 2018'. Yes, and from 2014-2021 we lived exclusively outside the top 10 of the draft because that's how it works. Now we're 4 years in the bottom 4 and have watched teams above us have better draft picks. Say what you want about what we did to get to where are and what we are doing to get out of it, Brisbane gaining 2 Ashcrofts and a Fletcher and Gold Coast having 4 top 10 picks in a 3 year period and trading another one for Daniel Rioli is completely beyond our control. You can give up avocado toast and save a deposit for your first home, you're still bringing a knife to a gun fight against trust fund babies.

Under the old rules currently WC, North and Richmond would be eligible for first round priority picks. And with North playing Richmond soon someone will move to 5.5 or 6 wins and miss out. Under the revised rules I think all 3 teams are still shit enough over 2 years to qualify. The AFL didn't want people talking about tanking and changed it. Now that it's "discretionary" talking heads like Barrett just want the rules to go away by stealth. Or more accurately only exist for when it suits them. Sorry if you care that much campaign for it in the off season.

 

[Spange]

This from Wikipedia has got to wrong? Right?

Priority draft pick - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If true just ****en fork them over campaigners. Pick 2 and 3 and end of first round ya dogs

“A formula which will assist with determining whether or not a team receives a priority draft pick, and at which round in the draft that pick will be taken, has been developed that takes into account such factors as:

• premiership points that a club has received over a period of years (with greater weight to recent seasons),
• a club's percentage (points for/points against x 100) over a period of years (another indication of on-field competitiveness, with greater weight to recent seasons),
• any finals appearances that a club has made in recent seasons,
• any premierships that a club has won in recent seasons, and
• a club's injury rates in each relevant season”

 

[Scotland]

Part of me wants us to annoy the AFL so much they give us no PP and justify Oscar Allen

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being band 2.

Just part. Most of me wants us to not be so shit.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

And here’s Damo (who sounds like Ralphy)


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The other dumb issue with this besides what has already been discussed is the “if a club suffers a period of self-inflicted pain…” What club that has drafted and recruited really well is going to stink to high heaven for at least four years straight? Of course every club that is this bad has done quite a few things wrong. I do take issue with the argument that it’s been full self inflicted though, given the large number of career-ending or career-altering injuries to most of our best players and a WAFL setup that makes developing players in the twos really difficult.

 

[Goroyals22]

Yeah but listen to how Suma sums it up

 

[ziad]

Yeah but listen to how Suma sums it up

Why listen to an idiot?

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

Why listen to an idiot?

Because if I don't listen to me no one will.

 

[EagleEgo]

In the priority pick thread.

So?

 

[CrusaderAussie1]

If you just take a step back and look at west coast's results over the past three years, and look at the limited amount of talent coming through, you can mount a serious argument that no team in the history of the AFL has been this bad for this long and so poorly placed to rebuild.

People talk about our juniors coming through like we just need time for them to develop, but whilst there are some positives, there's not really any indication our current crop of kids is special. In fact in terms of what they have shown I worry its actually fairly similar to what most other clubs not in full rebuild mode have got cooking away in the 2s, rather than what you would expect a team this bad to have gotten from multiple years with good access to the draft- Some will come good, some will wash out, but the state of our list is so dire and there is so little talent in the middle of our list age bracket that there's a good chance the kids coming through will just maintain rather than actually improve the state of our list. Eg if Brock turns out to be an amazing, AA calibre defender that doesn't mean we are better, it just means we won't get even worse when Gov retires. The critical mass we need, of four or five top tier midfield prospects coming through, simply isn't there. If you look at what we have in the pipeline compared to say North or Richmond, we're gambling with a losing hand.

So yeah, we need assistance.

Don't get me wrong, it sucks. it sucks that the history of west coast as a power club has been effectively washed away by a combination of bad luck and incompetence. It sucks that we are now so bad that the rest of the competition isn't even laughing at us anymore, they're genuinely concerned what we mean for the integrity of the league. And it sucks that the club has ****ed the situation so badly that there's effectively no pathway out of it on our own, but that is where it is at. Trading picks for Baker last year was an exercise in delusional thinking about the state of the list, and failing to ask for priority picks or any other assistance from the AFL would be even more delusional.

The team should be begging for whatever sort of draft pick or list assistance it can get.

Given we are talking about the 2026 and on seasons surely just the 1 Premiership in 20 years and that by a kick should be part of argument .

Current crop no good , this years State 18s awful , a draft terribly comprised , someone deciding Hawks picks better than Carltons ,Tassie arrival and Harley will go . Not a good lookahead

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

The arguments against seem to boil down to two factors. We're a rich club (irrelevant when there are salary caps in play), and that we won a premiership seven years ago.

Pretty piss weak arguments really when considering the state of the list going forward and our ability to overhaul it given how compromised the draft is, but I just can't see the VFL doing anything to help us.

 

[footy_basis]

The arguments against seem to boil down to two factors. We're a rich club (irrelevant when there are salary caps in play), and that we won a premiership seven years ago.

Pretty piss weak arguments really when considering the state of the list going forward and our ability to overhaul it given how compromised the draft is, but I just can't see the VFL doing anything to help us.

Max Gawn says WCE shouldn't be getting one.

 

[footy_basis]

The other dumb issue with this besides what has already been discussed is the “if a club suffers a period of self-inflicted pain…” What club that has drafted and recruited really well is going to stink to high heaven for at least four years straight? Of course every club that is this bad has done quite a few things wrong. I do take issue with the argument that it’s been full self inflicted though, given the large number of career-ending or career-altering injuries to most of our best players and a WAFL setup that makes developing players in the twos really difficult.

The Kelly and Baker trades are what poor, desperate, cellar dweller clubs do.

 

[Tugga27]

Max Gawn says WCE shouldn't be getting one.

And?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

The Kelly and Baker trades are what poor, desperate, cellar dweller clubs do.

Unsure if sarcasm or not but I'll respond as if serious. Every club that's won a premiership tops up to try and keep the good times rolling. As do those who gets close to try and nab the missing piece(s), as we did with a first rounder for Redden. Hawthorn did it after their threepeat, Richmond did it with Taranto etc, we did it with Kelly.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but they all do it.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Not unexpected, but it's started already.

Two headlines from The Age and Herald Sun (which I won't open).

West Coast’s ‘inappropriate’ draft assistance request:

Seven years after winning a flag, the Eagles have asked the AFL for draft help

Not aimed at you of course.

I have no issue with not getting assistance, seven years after a flag.

So when is it appropriate. 8 years after? 10? 20 years? Its just all rubbery what and when they feel like doing something.

The damage is already done. A priority pick should have been done 4 years ago, at the beginning of the rot, the old automatic: finished under 5 years in a season.

This is how we get teams that are long term basket cases and non stop turnover and any players of substance, bailing out.

 

[Plague]

Max Gawn says WCE shouldn't be getting one.

Max Gawn says he had no idea that Joel Smith was supplying half the club with nose beers whilst he was captain of said club. Nobody should take what he says seriously.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

And here’s Damo (who sounds like Ralphy)


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Ïts too rigged already, we cant afford to rig it anymore is certainly a strange defense from the AFL

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

A alternative to this is to "use our wealth"

• Sam Draper as a free agent on 4 years 1.2 mill with a post career job opportunity at Hungry Jacks as the Head of Marketing on around 800k a year
• Brandon Starcevich as a free agent on 5 years 5 mill a year. His 50/50 business partnership with Tom McCarthy which he pays 100% of the bills on will do wonders for both of them. McCarthys 5 year 300k per year deal should be ok as the business flourishes
• Jack Silvagni on a 4 year 2.8 mill deal. His post career job opportunity with the Perth Demons which will pay what. 300k a year will be a good way to retire
• James Worpel with pick 1 in the PSD on a 5 year 1.5 mill deal. The 300k a year might seem a bit on the cheap side but he needs to be closer to his new Hungry Jacks franchise in order to run it properly
• Harley Reid commits to a 11 year 11 mill deal. He needs to stay in Perth to look after his stable of 47 race horses that were passed in on auction and purchased at the reserve price of 5,000 dollars each

 

[ziad]

Max Gawn says he had no idea that Joel Smith was supplying half the club with nose beers whilst he was captain of said club. Nobody should take what he says seriously.

And from the captain of a club fined $0.5M for not tanking with the fine then paid by the AFL as the club was so financially incapable.

 

[Grahame]

The Kelly and Baker trades are what poor, desperate, cellar dweller clubs do.

Baker? Give it a rest. Probable B&F winner and our most at-it player.

 

[Astro7]

Even if we dodge all the Vic bias and secure a PP, it's nothing of any substance in today's draft by the time it slides down the list and in reality becomes number what?
And then what will the player amount to long term? It's not like we'll get some golden champion that will change our fortunes? It's still a lottery.

 

[southcoast]

For those interested ABC Sportstalk giving PP discussion a bit of time this morning.

Summing up - good to ask but shouldn't get one.

Thie link to the show will be available later.

Link - https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/perth-sportstalk/sports-talk/105588656

First part of show. Approx 15mins

 

[boondy]

Was it all the eagles poor drafting which was poor or a combination of unforeseen unfortunate events . I would give 40% poor drafting and 60% unfortunate events . I mean what real opportunities could we have other than Worpel over Ainsworth Chesser over Paul Johnston or the Kelly overreach which was a poor draft hand . Brander .. who could have known .
After 2018
Venables concussion
Sheppards concussion
Good players retired like Lecras , Redden .
Rioli drama
Jarrod Cameron

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Jarrod Cameron

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25

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182cm

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70kg

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7.0

2star

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4.7

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2.3

2star

M

1.7

2star

T

3.6

5star

G

1.3

5star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.5

1star

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1.5

1star

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0.5

1star

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2.5

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0.5

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8.0

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5.6

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2.0

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4.2

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2.0

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???
Jetta didnt like covid drama etc
Covid .. we had wafl players playing
Shuey " continually injured "
Yeo see above
NAITANUI see above and Lycett left .
McGovern see above
Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

see above to some extent
Gaff fell off a cliff
Sheed , same
WAFL hasnt helped our b team so development is poor .
Travel means taking emergencies that dont end up playing in even the Wafl
The Travel means one less day to train . , without mentioning the recovery aftef an away game .

If we could have at least extra rookie spots to cover the travel emergencies would be good .

 

[WCErevival]

If we end up with pick 1, 2 (Allen compo), 10 (Hawks pick), 19 and 28 (Hawks pick), I dont think we should be getting any assistance apart from some extra rookie spots. I get that some of those picks will move but that's still enough draft capital to work with.