Should We Keep JON

[sante]

At least another one.

Deliberate!!! you are a total arsewhole.

 

[WATIGE]

His future lies as a HF/wing.

And it seems the development crew/coaches only realised that in the last couple of games at Coburg. Two or three on the HFF and did some of his best work of the year according to reports. If he comes good at HFF you'd have to ask why it took us three(?) years to realise this?

As for keeping him - I'm not voting haven't seen enough of him - for better or worse I'll go with whatever the list managers do.

 

[richoatthedisco]

I'm with Montana, he definitely shows signs at times and does still look as if he's growing into himself. He's grown an inch or two since joining us. Does need to get into a gym, but he ain't Paddy there. I wouldn't have a clue if he is popular or not, but he is vocal out on the ground. I thought I heard something that said he was helping Tambling in being a steadying influence on Collard?

 

[Sausage roll]

Just looking at him makes me cringe

LMAO!!

Let's not waste a spot on our l;ist for another year.

Remember what Terry said....." He (JON) will silence his critics this year"

LMAO!!!!

 

[the ranger]

Still young and yet to have a full season without injury. Definitely another year. Will come good and make a lot of people look stupid.

 

[tigertiger]

LMAO!!

Let's not waste a spot on our l;ist for another year.

Remember what Terry said....." He (JON) will silence his critics this year"

LMAO!!!!

this year isnt over yet

 

[beaver fever]

Keeping all of our 30+ players makes it harder to keep JON on the list. Pretty sad state of affairs when 4 of those 5 made our top 10 at the b&f.

 

[CoggaRules]

Stop being such a tool Deliberate. The same thread could have been written about Moore last year. And it would have been wrong, wouldn't it.

I wasn't one of those saying he 'would be a gun', in fact, I don't think many were.

I don't mind keeping him for one more year. Delisting him gets us nothing except for some childish revenge, and getting what, a player at pick number 70?

I'm happy for one more year. If 12 months go by and we are still at square one, then by all means delist him then.

Moore stood out like a beacon at Coburg from day one, when it came to know-how. JON stood out from day one at Coburg for his not-know-how. You really dont get it do you dude, number 8 pick, 3 years in the system and has played 1/2 a game in 2 1/2 senior appearances. That in itself says that the brains trust rate him highly doesnt it?
What i cant get over is this, why is it that when you look at most of the indegenous players, 98% of them have this x-factor, dazzling 6th sense type stuff, and the 2% that havent are in yellow and black.

 

[Sausage roll]

Moore stood out like a beacon at Coburg from day one, when it came to know-how. JON stood out from day one at Coburg for his not-know-how. You really dont get it do you dude, number 8 pick, 3 years in the system and has played 1/2 a game in 2 1/2 senior appearances. That in itself says that the brains trust rate him highly doesnt it?
What i cant get over is this, why is it that when you look at most of the indegenous players, 98% of them have this x-factor, dazzling 6th sense type stuff, and the 2% that havent are in yellow and black.

Brilliant!

Could not have said it better myself!

 

[True Thylacine]

To add further...
Where o where are all the guys that have said in the past that JON will be a gun?
Where the heck are those wise football judges now? The same ones who bagged anyone who called out JON as a dud early.
You're not too vocal now
You maybe have 1 more season on your pin-up boy JON.
Hope he comes good real quick.
The silence is overwhelming.....

Foot Note....And if anything will cost Wallace his job in the future, it will be his bad choices, and blind faith in poor footballers.

I'm still here and still of the same opinion. Not everyone develops at a pace that is prescribed in the RFC Supporters handbook. I think the kid has a future worth persevering with. I will happily admit at Pick 8 he was too high but that doesnt make him a basket case except int he minds of those who expect every draft pick to be a legend.

Can't say I've seen anymore than 6 or 8 Coburg games this year in full but he hasnt done anything to convince me otherwise. Yep, needs work on decision making and confidence, its not up to scratch, but in fact that reminds me a bit of Matt White and Kel Moore last year after their 2-3 years in the system. Both looked like rabbits in headlights when the ran with the ball. As for the knob who said the kid hears footsteps I can only recommend he watch a Burgers game, he's performed some pretty courage acts this year and doesnt mind supporting his teammates when the biffo starts either.

My biggest worry is where. Originally I thought CHB but that is obviously a re-think. I will be happy to admit I am wrong with JON but there is certainly space on the 2009 list ahead of a few, namely Pettifer, Meyer and Casserley.

 

[CoggaRules]

I'm still here and still of the same opinion. Not everyone develops at a pace that is prescribed in the RFC Supporters handbook. I think the kid has a future worth persevering with. I will happily admit at Pick 8 he was too high but that doesnt make him a basket case except int he minds of those who expect every draft pick to be a legend.

Can't say I've seen anymore than 6 or 8 Coburg games this year in full but he hasnt done anything to convince me otherwise. Yep, needs work on decision making and confidence, its not up to scratch, but in fact that reminds me a bit of Matt White and Kel Moore last year after their 2-3 years in the system. Both looked like rabbits in headlights when the ran with the ball. As for the knob who said the kid hears footsteps I can only recommend he watch a Burgers game, he's performed some pretty courage acts this year and doesnt mind supporting his teammates when the biffo starts either.

My biggest worry is where. Originally I thought CHB but that is obviously a re-think. I will be happy to admit I am wrong with JON but there is certainly space on the 2009 list ahead of a few, namely Pettifer, Meyer and Casserley.

come on man, this dude was number 8 draft pick...matty was given a life line via rookie list and Moore was what? in the 40s? You gotta get a better and quicker output from number 8 wouldnt you think? At a minimum, desicion making and confidence, should have been one the last things we should need to worry about.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Moore was a rookie pick and White was taken in the PSD. But once they're at the club it matters squat how they got there.

 

[TimeFor11]

This will be a very difficult decision for the List management when the delistings come through.

Hypothetically we take 3 players in the ND with 8,26,42 and Pass on 58. Take 1 player in the PSD. Then we only need to clear up 4 spots on our current list. This however means we do nothing in the trade period which is looking more and more likely to me.

With Tivendale and Hyde gone it then poses some questions about several players.

First off is Polak ever going to be able to play AFL again without serious risks? Maybe
Is Angus Graham a better prospect than JON? No
Is Jake King a better prospect than JON? No
Is Andrew Collins a better prospect than JON? No
Is Pettifer at 26 going to be more worth to the team recovering from injury in 09' than JON? Probably not

I think if you ask yourself those questions then you will find JON deserves to be on the list in 09'

 

[True Thylacine]

come on man, this dude was number 8 draft pick...matty was given a life line via rookie list and Moore was what? in the 40s? You gotta get a better and quicker output from number 8 wouldnt you think? At a minimum, desicion making and confidence, should have been one the last things we should need to worry about.

Totally agree he was taken too high Cogga..but hey the draft is a bloody lottery. It doesnt really matter how they got on our list once they are on it they are all even money bar the odd exceptional Number 1 or 2 pick, i.e. Lids, Cotch etc and they are just no brainers. I think you are on the money here, JON's biggest problem is he was taken too early hence we all expected much much more. We shouldn't blame JON for that we should be blaming whoever picked him at 8.
Now that he is here he just needs to measured alongside all the rest of the cattle and in that comparison he stands up well, certainly against Meyer and Casserley and then those mentioned by the other poster above. The decision making and confidence shouldn't really be too much of a shock given what we have here is still only a 20yo indigenous kid away from WA trying hard to impress after injury and no pre-seasons.

Might be just me but I see something in him. FWIW a read of the Rawlings report would lend you to believe he does too. If I'm wrong so be it but for now I dont think this kid is anywhere near the cut off line for 2009

 

[cormick]

Moore stood out like a beacon at Coburg from day one, when it came to know-how. JON stood out from day one at Coburg for his not-know-how. You really dont get it do you dude, number 8 pick, 3 years in the system and has played 1/2 a game in 2 1/2 senior appearances. That in itself says that the brains trust rate him highly doesnt it?
What i cant get over is this, why is it that when you look at most of the indegenous players, 98% of them have this x-factor, dazzling 6th sense type stuff, and the 2% that havent are in yellow and black.

So the brains trust you are forever having a go at, if they delist him, will be right for once, just because you agree with the decision?
They are more than likely to keep him, and if they do, doesn't that in itself show faith?

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I am as concerned as everyone else that he won't come close to making it,but at his size and scope for improvement,not to mention how heavily we invested we have to go another 12 months.
It's unfortunate for blokes like Jake King and similar types who have gone before him like hartigan,that lack of size,a belief that where they are at is as good as it gets,and not losing much face or currency that guys like JON and Fiora before him will get more chances while the others get flicked.
It's understandable.

 

[peejay]

Totally agree he was taken too high Cogga..but hey the draft is a bloody lottery. It doesnt really matter how they got on our list once they are on it they are all even money bar the odd exceptional Number 1 or 2 pick, i.e. Lids, Cotch etc and they are just no brainers. I think you are on the money here, JON's biggest problem is he was taken too early hence we all expected much much more. We shouldn't blame JON for that we should be blaming whoever picked him at 8.
Now that he is here he just needs to measured alongside all the rest of the cattle and in that comparison he stands up well, certainly against Meyer and Casserley and then those mentioned by the other poster above. The decision making and confidence shouldn't really be too much of a shock given what we have here is still only a 20yo indigenous kid away from WA trying hard to impress after injury and no pre-seasons.

Might be just me but I see something in him. FWIW a read of the Rawlings report would lend you to believe he does too. If I'm wrong so be it but for now I dont think this kid is anywhere near the cut off line for 2009

You make a lot of sense with this TT.

The way i see it these guys will be gone this year.


Tivs
Hyde
Pettifer
Polak
King

Maybe one more, but chances are we would easily have 6 or 7 to go the following year.

I say lets give him one uninterupted pre season before we flick him - he needs confidence and not being on the track is not going to help. he must be finally relieved when he can get that brace off his forearm.

HFF is where i think he belongs as i mentioned here:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12077762#post12077762

 

[CoggaRules]

Totally agree he was taken too high Cogga..but hey the draft is a bloody lottery. It doesnt really matter how they got on our list once they are on it they are all even money bar the odd exceptional Number 1 or 2 pick, i.e. Lids, Cotch etc and they are just no brainers. I think you are on the money here, JON's biggest problem is he was taken too early hence we all expected much much more. We shouldn't blame JON for that we should be blaming whoever picked him at 8.
Now that he is here he just needs to measured alongside all the rest of the cattle and in that comparison he stands up well, certainly against Meyer and Casserley and then those mentioned by the other poster above. The decision making and confidence shouldn't really be too much of a shock given what we have here is still only a 20yo indigenous kid away from WA trying hard to impress after injury and no pre-seasons.

Might be just me but I see something in him. FWIW a read of the Rawlings report would lend you to believe he does too. If I'm wrong so be it but for now I dont think this kid is anywhere near the cut off line for 2009

man, all i have to go by is that he hasnt been given a chance at the top level after how long.
I am patient, until we see him playing at the top level, if we ever do, then i remain on the fence. But the longer they hide him at Coburg, my patience starts to wane and i start wondering why.
Lets just say this, how many high picks over the stretch havent cut it at all? How many names that were picked early didnt even make it to the starting stalls? This is what concerns me about JON. 3 years and we are still waiting for what to appear?
For me when tigerheads start saying, he is improving at Coburg, he is doing this and doing that, it means JS, so you know why? Because when a player is ready to enter the big time and kick butt, they should be screaming, why dont they pick him, he is tearing it up at Coburg.

 

[beaver fever]

PRE has King signing a 2 year deal.

 

[peejay]

PRE has King signing a 2 year deal.

Your taking the piss right ?????

 

[AGRESSION]

I can confirm. 2 years.
Next year and a 1 year option.

 

[ize_]

Saw him at the B&F, and wouldn't say his comraderie and appeal amongst fellow teammates will contribute in his favour either. He seemed a lot like his on-field persona....nervous and generally alone.

Means nothing if he gets a kick next year, but just saying that I think the general consensus is that he's not popular, inside the playing group and Big Footy.

Other than training, you don't tend to see the bunch together, and it was interesting to note the groups...

Hang on, are some of the playing group secret posters?????

That's really sad for the poor guy. Can't have been easy coming over here from WA as a 17 year old, knowing no-one, and with huge expectations. Maybe he'd be better off somewhere else?

 

[Tigertom]

So 27 of you know-alls will be happy if we delist him and use our fourth round pick (no 58)to replace him?

I hope the young bloke we get for our fourth round pick is a gun or the 27 know-alls (and yes we know who you are courtesy of the public poll) will be after him next.

Part of me hopes he asks to be traded so he can go to a new club, and with a clean slate stick it up his knockers.

After all he is 20, played nine career games and should have won a Brownlow by now.

 

[Tetley Tigers]

To add further...
Where o where are all the guys that have said in the past that JON will be a gun?
Where the heck are those wise football judges now? The same ones who bagged anyone who called out JON as a dud early.

You're not too vocal now
You maybe have 1 more season on your pin-up boy JON.
Hope he comes good real quick.
The silence is overwhelming.....

Foot Note....And if anything will cost Wallace his job in the future, it will be his bad choices, and blind faith in poor footballers.

Same people who said get rid of Moore

 

[krustyman]

Every club gets there fair share of duds. No use JON taking up space on the senior list year after year, he had his shot and it didnt work out so time to move on. It is difficult because he is such a high draft, but he wouldnt be the first.