Autopsy Slaughtered by the Suns in the second half

[Dubai Quacker]

With all due respect, I don't think that'll cut it. Because it will then become too easy to just look at the stats sheet and see that Hanily or Sheldrick or Paton or Francis have only had a dozen touches while Lloyd or Florent or McInerney or Roberts had double that amount. And then guess who gets dropped?

We've gotta actually get more specific about what we want this team to be built around. Have a few key metrics for areas we need to improve in - for mine, contested efforts, defensive efforts and tackling efforts - and pick the team based on that.

Instead of picking players we surely know by now are not going to help us in these metrics and then acting surprised when they make SFA difference.

I’m just not a fan of focussing too heavily on metrics.

The eye test is often the best gauge.

 

[sthmelb_dimmies]

Not to make excuses, but I reckon that's at least 5 out of our 7 games that have been played in extreme heat. Our players looked cooked before half time.

Extreme heat? It was 26 degrees C

 

[caesar88]

I’m just not a fan of focussing too heavily on metrics.

The eye test is often the best gauge.

Well I fired up the old eye test yesterday and its results came back quite definitive... this team is not hard enough.

 

[Kbroome]

I’m just not a fan of focussing too heavily on metrics.

The eye test is often the best gauge.

Eye test says Jake Lloyd is slowing us down and missing targets

Stats test backs this up and says he is playing some of the worst footy of his life

To back my point up in the stats department his 4 game stretch of 9.6 player rating points in total is the worst 4 game stretch of his career, and the next worst is 2015 where he played in a game of -2.8 player ratings (his worst game of his senior career) but still over the 4 game span had a player rating total of 14.4.

 

[killablood]

Healy has turned into an oracle

He has to hang up the microphone. I'm a huge sportsday fan, but this year the poor bloke is stumbling over his words and having terrible recall issues. He is done. Surely I'm not the only one that's noticed

 

[Dubai Quacker]

He has to hang up the microphone. I'm a huge sportsday fan, but this year the poor bloke is stumbling over his words and having terrible recall issues. He is done. Surely I'm not the only one that's noticed

Nah, I enjoy his commentary.

It’s like listening to the crusty old bloke at the pub, who sits on a schooner for 3 hours, watching the TV in the corner, mumbling under his breath at how useless all these bastards are nowadays.

 

[killablood]

Nah, I enjoy his commentary.

It’s like listening to the crusty old bloke at the pub, who sits on a schooner for 3 hours, watching the TV in the corner, mumbling under his breath at how useless all these bastards are nowadays.

He is getting into Dermy territory with some of the waffle.

 

[The King!]

I’m just not a fan of focussing too heavily on metrics.

The eye test is often the best gauge.

Our coach loves metrics

 

[Banyo Bloods]

I’ve been on a bender being horrible to positive Swans supporters on social media. I needed something to remove the GF feeling and it never happened and I’m now just making other people miserable. My Dad is a Lions supporter which I’ve hated him for since 1987 when he switched to the Bears so it’s been personal. He’s now only got weeks to Months to live and I can’t help but feel that life just went to poop after that freaking GF.

I’m as cooked as this team. Mentally weak.

 

[bedford]

Eye test says Jake Lloyd is slowing us down and missing targets

Stats test backs this up and says he is playing some of the worst footy of his life

To back my point up in the stats department his 4 game stretch of 9.6 player rating points in total is the worst 4 game stretch of his career, and the next worst is 2015 where he played in a game of -2.8 player ratings (his worst game of his senior career) but still over the 4 game span had a player rating total of 14.4.

Why Lloyd , there are about 6 or 7 worse than him

 

[Kbroome]

Why Lloyd , there are about 6 or 7 worse than him

Because he has been consistently poor across the last month compared to others that have had flashes of being alright.

 

[bedford]

Because he has been consistently poor across the last month compared to others that have had flashes of being alright.

Only 1 flashing is Brother Nelson

 

[Blood1969]

Why Lloyd , there are about 6 or 7 worse than him

Disagree..... he's giving us nothing and when he does get it the brakes are hit.... Great servant but the game has gone past him.

 

[bedford]

Disagree..... he's giving us nothing and when he does get it the brakes are hit.... Great servant but the game has gone past him.

So he was the worst lol

 

[Big Blood]

It wasn't that long ago we defended every centimetre. Grim, but it worked. These days horrendous backhalf turnovers and frees have become routine.

 

[Superstar swan]

We are such a make shift team. Our defence is full of players who are not natural defenders and our forward line is full of players who are not natural forward with any sort of forward craft.

We are being exposed badly.

 

[Coachs Helpline]

Because a true supporter has to take the good with the bad , trust me i've done it for a longtime

So have I mate …decades… thats footy … good years bad years make GF day and win (when was that again) or lose like they did to Geelong and Brisbane in pitiful groundhog day fashion

 

[Coachs Helpline]

Because a true supporter has to take the good with the bad , trust me i've done it for a longtime

As if I havent … I joined this forum to vent my opinions… like you…so lets critique and give our views and feedback ….that no one who matters even ….cares about

 

[Coachs Helpline]

Because a true supporter has to take the good with the bad , trust me i've done it for a longtime

So your happy to watch players make the same stupid mistakes over and over and over …. I agree with Gerard Healy’s comment on same issue … you dont need your more experienced players making those types of ridiculous mistakes

 

[The King!]

Jake Lloyd

44

Jake Lloyd

Age

32

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.4

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

9.0

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

403.9

5star

D

23.4

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

9.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.9

3star

MG

403.9

5star

D

23.2

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.8

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

357.4

5star

's rating is below Sheldrick for the year

 

[The King!]

So your happy to watch players make the same stupid mistakes over and over and over …. I agree with Gerard Healy’s comment on same issue … you dont need your more experienced players making those types of ridiculous mistakes

you can have an opinion, someone's in a mood

 

[Coachs Helpline]

I heard that, dead set embarrassing. How on earth would you call Hayward some elite defender, I mean I wouldn't even call one of of forwards that. It's half the issue, the mids were bad, but the forwards wouldn't know a tackle if it bit them on the behind.

Surely you dont expect Sydney players to tackle??????! (excepting Heeney and Rowbottom maybe 1 or 2 others) ….stick the non-tacklers in the NRL so they learn what a tackle is (and better they are on recelving end … you know to wake them up as to why other teams jus waltz through them…). .even tho what they really need to do is learn HOW to actually tackle and make it stick)

 

[Coachs Helpline]

Why Lloyd , there are about 6 or 7 worse than him

Wow I agree with you there haha

 

[Coachs Helpline]

Well that was interesting a very promising start to the game marred by one of the worst 3QTR performance i have EVER seen by any club and in general one of the worst 2nd halves i can recall at one point it was 12 unanswered goals.

Heeney and Warner along with Grundy and Francis all had very promising starts to the game but it was a false dawn.

Injuries sure but the players that did take the field after HT (????) how do you go from applying pressure and intensity to not being able to walk again Lynch mentioned players were throwing up in the rooms (???) oh and we got another soft tissue injury.

Did we hire the Carlton fitness staff?

Blakey/Lloyd/Jmac my god... you dont want the ball in their hands infact you dont want them anywhere near the ball at all.

Yer dont expect many wins this year.

Im going to count a loss as a win for changing the selection staff or maybe the coach by end of season. As for this

Blakey/Lloyd/Jmac my god... you dont want the ball in their hands infact you dont want them anywhere near the ball at all.

Funny stuff. Dont you mean you dont want another opposition player near Blakey or in his hands cos its sure to give away another ^%{#^*{{}% free in front of goal

 

[caesar88]

Surely you dont expect Sydney players to tackle??????! (excepting Heeney and Rowbottom maybe 1 or 2 others) ….stick the non-tacklers in the NRL so they learn what a tackle is (and better they are on recelving end … you know to wake them up as to why other teams jus waltz through them…). .even tho what they really need to do is learn HOW to actually tackle and make it stick)

The tackling thing has almost been blown out of proportion in a way, including by myself. Yes we're poor at tackling, and it is a serious issue both short and long-term for us, because I think it's as important a part of the game as literally anything, and I don't think it's an ability you can just make a player have, so I don't know where a lot of our players go from here.

But just as bad, in my opinion, is our overall pressure and defensive intent. When a Swans player gets the ball, more often than not they are swarmed by multiple opposition players; mistakes made by our players in general play are pounced on the second they happen. That's because the opposition's pressure is usually at a high standard. But when the opposition get the ball, they seem to always have all the time & space in the world; mistakes they make aren't punished, because they always have the time & space to steady and correct. That's because our pressure, our manning up, our defensive running, is so poor.

So I completely share the frustration over our tackling and am glad even the likes of Paul Roos and Gerard Healy are starting to call it out. But the micro-focusing on our tackling has almost let the team off the hook for the other off-the-ball stuff they're just as bad in.