Draft Watcher Smythe's 2021 Draft Thread - Full Phantom with pick swaps post #295

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RCD has the best centre clearance of the afl rising stars this year, so that is a good start. Hes is right up there in a lot of those stats so, he, as a future midfielder is a good start. His burst from a pack with the ball and spread from the pack without it is fantastic and quick.
Dow is more of your at pace get through traffic style of midfielder who does lots right but needs bulk and more game time.
Martyn can get a lot of the ball and the future could be good for him once he learns to tackle more and had a really good vfl season this year.
NONE of them are inside grunt ball winners, they are the team that gets around that guy to take the ball forward or tackle hard if we dont win the contest, RCD is the closest and will get a lot more inside ball sooner rather than later.
Jack Graham is your inside leader and gut running tackle machine.
Jack Ross is a solid footballer who will never get to great heights as he is not athletically gifted as the others but he too, is learning the role of the aforementioned Jack Graham except he will be the gut running tackle machine solid half backline player that will go into the middle whilst others rest.
Chesser although not much football played over two years has speed and athletic traits that Ross and Graham dont. He can go on the inside with grunt and dispose with finesse. Has mostly been a def/wing and has poise and control when with the ball, a thumping boot and is a productive player and good two way runner.
Hobbs is an inside beast. Not the quickest but one of the smartest inside mids with his positioning and attack on the ball after reading the play but also has Joel Selwood kamikaze style attacks too which is not a bad thing for a ball/clearance winning mid to have.
Van Rooyen has, as a forward, a Nick Reiwoldt style of play to him, running way up to the wing sometimes on a lead or to help win the ball then turn and he will beat his opponents back to the fwd line. Has also played down back and shown he can read the play well and intercept but his 1 v 1 work is a fair way off from AFL level. He is a good kick and good below his knees.
Gibcus is a good defender and very good interceptor at the under age level but with not much footy in 2 years and no champs against some of the best of his age i dont see why i would take such a risk with a high pick, if he was available at 17 i understand. Remember Fischer McAsey??
I would take neither at Richmonds first pick, but if Gibcus was there at 17 then yes, that is value, but he wont be available as he has his fanciers. I think it will be a close call as to whether JVR is there at 17 and if he is maybe he is a chance.
ALSO remember with all these kids, the club recruiters are the only ones who know about the kids who will have homesickness or will be no good attitude and maturity wise if they leave home for a team far away. Some of them are just messed in the head as well (anyone remember Tom Lamb) and we (stuck at home for most part of 2 years) wouldnt know. So some kids will go higher than other and some will drop a lot and we here on this sight all get surprised by it. but it happens every year, so it will, again happen this year.

Again thanks for the reply.

If we were to miss on Hobbs who would be your second option at 9?

Also if both Ward & Hobbs were available to us which would you take?

At 17 if Sinn Chesser Roberts & Johnson were all available again which would you take?

 

[Smythe]

Again thanks for the reply.

If we were to miss on Hobbs who would be your second option at 9?

Also if both Ward & Hobbs were available to us which would you take?

At 17 if Sinn Chesser Roberts & Johnson were all available again which would you take?

If Amiss is available at 9, take him. Best KPF in the draft (Darcy is a ruck/fwd) and a need for Richmond to have a young one to develop after losing CCJ.
The Tigers are keen on a few early prospects and are hoping 1 falls to them, they like Hobbs, Callaghan, Ward, Rachele, Amiss and Gibcus. With Horne-Francis, Darcy, Daicos, Callaghan and Andrew most likely gone, 3 of the former will be available.
Pick 9 - Ward has more speed, agility and is more athletically gifted than Hobbs with a predicted higher ceiling however Hobbs is similar to a young ollie wines and that is a need for Richmond, inside bull. My guess is they take best available that fits a need and that would be Hobbs. Ward is a similar style of player to a few of the young Richmond mids so having someone a little different that fits the need for and inside bull to compliment the others would be a good fit.
Pick 17 - Chesser. Sinn needs to work on his inside game more and out of the two Chesser's disposal is much better. I would not be picking Roberts in the first round at all, and Johnson most likely will not be there at 17 but even if he is i would rather chesser.....HOWEVER, if Wanganeen-Milera is available at that point i wouldn't hesitate to grab him.

 

[Moppey]

Im not really sure if you have actually looked at the 'Phantom draft' properly, none of those players were available for the richmond picks.....and of those that were it was way too high a price to pay for those players and i wasn't bringing in predictive pick swapping.

I agree with you somewhat, Amiss if available with our first is a must for KPF development, but he wasn't available.
With our second though it is way to high to pick someone like Bazzo, but JVR would be a nice get (in a real draft if available) but in this draft i went with best available at that stage and i rate chesser way higher than JVR. If they like JVR and they feel (if available that they could get him a few spots later then they may trade back) as i see pick 17 as a wait and see pick.
When it comes to Bazzo, i like him but he wasnt available with our next picks and and a small crumbing elusive, tackling fwd is a must as well taking Ned Long as Richmond like him. I personally am unsure of his speed.
Having said all that, you do realise that this is a phantom draft version 1.
When it comes to the KPP argument, next year there are more and they are much better than this year.
This year its (in no particular order) Darcy, JVR, Amiss, Andrew, Gibcus, then down a rung to Bazzo then another rung to Williams, nothing after that worth noting except for the athleticism and hands of Alleer, but his skills need a lot of work. Bazzo and Williams (most likely just them) will be the only ones available at pick 17 and that is way to high for either of them, so if one was wanted it becomes pick trade time. I would only go for Bazzo (personally) if he was available at that pick 27/28 range and i would not pick swap for him.

Thanks mate i enjoy your work a lot and appreciate what you do.
I just think it really is time to do something about our tall stocks and not with late nd and rookie picks but decent picks aimed at decent rated talls.

Just on your phantom

You have Amiss at 8 and we have pick 9. I think the general consensus is Fremantle will take two of Erasmus and Amiss at picks 8 and 10.
So Amiss is very much in the picture if they dont want to risk losing Erasmus who imo is underrated in general.
A question here is why do you think we are not looking at Erasmus?

I will concede i think Fremantle like us are in big need of Key Forwards moving fwd. A good home grown one may now be not worth the risk missing, and too good to overlook.

Then you have JVR at 20, we have pick 17 and again a lot of people have him going around here, he should be in the mix if we are after a key forward.
Thing for me is when i look at other club lists with picks in front of us they have a need for key forwards as well and i wonder if someone will pull the trigger earlier on this kid.
But i agree this pick should very much be a wait and see pick.

A couple of questions If they take Amiss at 8 do we then target Erasmus with 9?. The one that has grown on me is Goater, his size and speed make him very tempting. Looks to have lots of upside as well. Do you think him worth taking at 9 or just a bit of a stretch ?

Chesser i had going to us when i thought we would get the WB pick 17. How i wish we had another pick in the teens.

Finally the player i like with one of our picks 27 28 or is it now 29 30 is Knevitt and if we cannot get bazzo there as well id hope we look at Schlensog with one of our last 3 picks.

 

[Moppey]

Sorry Smythe just one more question.

You mentioned we need a small crumbing elusive tackling fwd and i agree but i would add something to it. we want a goal kicking elusive crumbing tackling fwd.
Geez nowdays i think it should be a given that small fwds tackle and pressure.

The question i have is have you seen anything on Will Pearce? He was the leading goal kicker in the SANFL u18.

 

[Smythe]

Sorry Smythe just one more question.

You mentioned we need a small crumbing elusive tackling fwd and i agree but i would add something to it. we want a goal kicking elusive crumbing tackling fwd.
Geez nowdays i think it should be a given that small fwds tackle and pressure.

The question i have is have you seen anything on Will Pearce? He was the leading goal kicker in the SANFL u18.

I think freo will take amiss first leaving us to take a mid, i like erasmus a lot even though his disposal is not the best, and it wouldnt phase me, but i know richmond have liked hobbs for a few years and if he is available they will take him given his POD to the others by being a clearance winning bull in the middle. He would accompany the kids they have know and although erasmus could be that too Hobbs is already that and its a nice fit. They also like Rachele and Gibcus.

JVR would be good at 17 but bris may take him first (in my phantom i had it around the other way) therefore leaving us to do something else.

With the small forwards obviously goal kicking is a must, they must have a nous for goals but if you cannot pressure and have good disposal you are not high on the radars, with Pearce he is not overly quick, therefore does not tackle too much or get the chance to pressure the ball and keep it inside forward 50. His disposal and decision making is not as good as other small forwards in the draft, he tends to try get go for goals by himself giving him an impressive goals per match average but he also never really tries to involve his teammates or use best option. Also, the fact he was not chosen for the national or state combine goes to show you that no clubs are really looking at him.

Goater at 9 would not really be a reach as the players from around 6/7 to 20 are fairly even.

Richmond do not need to pick Schlensog as anyone can sign him during the DFA for free, i cant see anyone wasting a national draft pick on him. Richmond have spoken to him that is no secret, but i think there was something they didn't like otherwise they would have already signed him up.....or.....they might be (along with a few teams, geel, frem, wce, wb, haw etc.) waiting for a list lodgement after draft to see where the list sits and who they picked in the draft, and see if they have a spot for a young developing backman.

 

[fargothegreat]

Richmond do not need to pick Schlensog as anyone can sign him during the DFA for free, i cant see anyone wasting a national draft pick on him. Richmond have spoken to him that is no secret, but i think there was something they didn't like otherwise they would have already signed him up.....or.....they might be (along with a few teams, geel, frem, wce, wb, haw etc.) waiting for a list lodgement after draft to see where the list sits and who they picked in the draft, and see if they have a spot for a young developing backman.

If we sign Schlensog before the draft that's one less pick we can take and potentially trade on draft night. Makes more sense for us (or Geelong or whoever else) to sign him after the national draft.

 

[Smythe]

If we sign Schlensog before the draft that's one less pick we can take and potentially trade on draft night. Makes more sense for us (or Geelong or whoever else) to sign him after the national draft.

Exactly. It’s the reason they wanted to keep 38 for Chol, use it with 40 and one of any of the others to move it up.
I have a feeling they may move to drop 7* (9) down and possibly with Adelaide for 4* (6).
Or if not drop 15* (17) to take someone they are after that may not make it to 15* (17).
Most likely though, is the move up for fremantle’s 19* (21).
All 3 scenarios are possibilities and each pick will be a wait and see if they can make a deal first before making the actual pick.

 

[fargothegreat]

Exactly. It’s the reason they wanted to keep 38 for Chol, use it with 40 and one of any of the others to move it up.
I have a feeling they may move to drop 7* (9) down and possibly with Adelaide for 4* (6).
Or if not drop 15* (17) to take someone they are after that may not make it to 15* (17).
Most likely though, is the move up for fremantle’s 19* (21).
All 3 scenarios are possibilities and each pick will be a wait and see if they can make a deal first before making the actual pick.

Do you think Schlensog is likely for us or more likely to head back to Geelong?

 

[Smythe]

Do you think Schlensog is likely for us or more likely to head back to Geelong?

I personally think he will not be at Richmond. Ben Miller is a very similar type and style of player however Miller is better 1v1 than Schlensog and in return Schlensog is a better interceptor. Richmond like Miller’s growth so will stick with him.
If it were my choice, I would draft for other areas and then sign Schlensog up as long as he takes a rookie contract and earns a spot like others have done. The Matt Parker influence may help too Coming from the same club.

 

[fargothegreat]

I personally think he will not be at Richmond. Ben Miller is a very similar type and style of player however Miller is better 1v1 than Schlensog and in return Schlensog is a better interceptor. Richmond like Miller’s growth so will stick with him.
If it were my choice, I would draft for other areas and then sign Schlensog up as long as he takes a rookie contract and earns a spot like others have done. The Matt Parker influence may help too Coming from the same club.

With the pick upgrade we've just done, I'm not sure there will be a spot for Schlensog. I'm not confident there will be any further upgrades unless something pops up on draft night.

 

[Smythe]

With the pick upgrade we've just done, I'm not sure there will be a spot for Schlensog. I'm not confident there will be any further upgrades unless something pops up on draft night.

I think draft night pick trading is still on the cards as I have said earlier and I think they will take 4 players. Leaving a spot open for a DFA if they see someone they like but mainly having those 2 open spots for the rookie/preseason or even mid season drafts.
But, if they want to use their first two picks, wouldn’t those other three picks look good to Hawthorn for their pick 21* and a future second, or even brisbane for 18* and their future second.
*picks will most likely slide 2 spots due to Darcy and daicos bids

 

[briztoon]

I think draft night pick trading is still on the cards as I have said earlier and I think they will take 4 players. Leaving a spot open for a DFA if they see someone they like but mainly having those 2 open spots for the rookie/preseason or even mid season drafts.
But, if they want to use their first two picks, wouldn’t those other three picks look good to Hawthorn for their pick 21* and a future second, or even brisbane for 18* and their future second.
*picks will most likely slide 2 spots due to Darcy and daicos bids

Not for Brisbane.

We need more future second round picks, not trading it out.

 

[Smythe]

Not for Brisbane.

We need more future second round picks, not trading it out.

yeah i forgot about Ashcroft and Fletcher....

 

[Smythe]

yeah i forgot about Ashcroft and Fletcher....

Lucky pricks

 

[YeOldTiger]

i like more of the kpp next year, rather than this year.
If JVR is available at 17 then he would be a good prospect at that range and has excellent scope but after that there are hardly any (if any) that would be worthy of a pick where richmond have picks. Next year is the year for KPP's, its a very strong tall draft in 2022.
Don't forget the dfa, preseason and mid year chances either

I'd think Rhett Bazzo as a Grimes type replacement would be a good pick with one of those three late 20s picks. Exactly the type we need. We have inside mids to burn coming into their 2nd/3rd/4th years in RCD, Ross, Martyn, Dow etc pushing into the side as well as Baker, Stack and Ralph-Smith all improving and playing for midfield minutes potentially (although I favour settling Stack behind the ball for a season).

Whilst were likely to take the best mid available with pick 7 (9) (which may mean Hobbs because he's just a good footballer) I suspect we will try to shore up a couple of KPP spots in this draft on exposed form bringing Gibcus and the WA talls into play. I can see where RT is coming from. Our list does need balancing over the next year or two.

 

[Smythe]

I'd think Rhett Bazzo as a Grimes type replacement would be a good pick with one of those three late 20s picks. Exactly the type we need. We have inside mids to burn coming into their 2nd/3rd/4th years in RCD, Ross, Martyn, Dow etc pushing into the side as well as Baker, Stack and Ralph-Smith all improving and playing for midfield minutes potentially (although I favour settling Stack behind the ball for a season).

Whilst were likely to take the best mid available with pick 7 (9) (which may mean Hobbs because he's just a good footballer) I suspect we will try to shore up a couple of KPP spots in this draft on exposed form bringing Gibcus and the WA talls into play. I can see where RT is coming from. Our list does need balancing over the next year or two.

Check the Official Big Footy Phantom Draft thread. I think I have it covered there.

 

[Smythe]

PHANTOM PREDICTION WITH PICK SWAPS

ROUND 1

1 - - JASON HORNE-FRANCIS

GWS TRADE PICK 2 AND FUTURE 1ST AND 2ND, TO HAWKS FOR 5, 21 AND FUTURE 1ST

2 - - NICK DAICOS - HAWKS BID - COLL MATCH
3 - - SAM DARCY - HAWKS BID - WB MATCH
(WB do a deal with Bris trading out pick 23* (which would now be 25) and future 2nd, 3rd + 4th for Bris future 1st, 43 and 62, WB maximise pick 25 and bris gain points for next year and utilise the pick they would lose next year for nothing into getting points for the bids next year and pick 25 this year.
4 - - FINN CALLAGHAN
Hawks get the man they wanted
5 - - NEIL ERASMUS
6 - - MATT JOHNSON
They like Rachele but this is too high, without a viable swap they will keep this pick. They are keen on a taller mid with inside and outside skills BUT also composure which puts Johnson in the frame
7 - - MAC ANDREW
8 - - JYE AMISS
Erasmus is gone and FWD line needs filling, they take Amiss here before either of WCE, Rich or Ess get the chance to think about it
9 - - BEN HOBBS
They have liked Hobbs for a while, with plenty of outside runners available on their list, a bull, a grunt, a clearance machine is what they need to feed the ball out
10 - - JOSH GIBCUS (GWS TRADE 15 + 21 TO FREO FOR 10, 61 AND 69)
Gws get both of their men and keep points for a Fahey bid match
11 - - JOSH SINN (BRIS GIVE STK 16 + 20 FOR 11 + 2022 3RD)
(Brisbane like Sinn and he will not last till their pick with Essendon also keen, so the swap was done to get their man)
12 - - JOSH GOATER
Tall mid with a high ceiling fits the bill here, they have mids to deliver the ball I50 once Josh bursts away from the pack and gives them the ball
13 - - JOSH RACHELE
With Goater and Sinn gone, Ess like Rachele as he is a very good small forward who applies tackle pressure and can be a game changer off his own boot, Ward is a consideration but do they need another small mid. Could Knevitt go this high?.......possibly.
14 - - ARLO DRAPER
15 - - NASAIAH WANGANEEN-MILERA
16 - - JOSH WARD
With the want to stay in VIC, i can see Ward going here to STK, its not really a slide as in between Callaghan at 4 and Hobbs at 9, Ess is the only other VIC club with a pick and they do not need another smaller mid, Rachele projects as more of a small fwd at AFL level who could drift into the middle. Ward would be a good fit here at STK. Can an interstate team talk him around though.....if so, he should go earlier up the order
17 - - JACOB VAN ROOYEN
18 - - MITCH KNEVITT
A tall ball winning mid who is not slow, has good athletic traits and a big potential upside, i cant see him getting past Syd here especially with that area of need, **will he get to this pick though??
19 - - CAMPBELL CHESSER
20 - - SAM BUTLER

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Wilmot is in consideration but Butler suits a need after booting Lonie aside in the delistings and they have already got their mid with WARD earlier. Will they go a defender here though??

ROUND 2

21 - - LEEK ALLEER (FREO GIVE 21 TO PORT FOR 2022 1ST)
Freo maximise this picks value, Port get a young backman with extreme athletic ability and huge upside to fill a hole in the def left by Hartlett and Lienert
22 - - RHETT BAZZO
23 - - MATTY ROBERTS
24 - - TOM BROWN
25 - - DARCY WILMOT (BRIS GIVE WB 2022 1ST, 43 + 62 FOR 25 AND 2022 2ND, 3RD + 4TH)
Wilmot is another that Bris like and he would suit their style of play, and they gain points for next year to match Ashcroft and Fletcher bids at the same time WB get extra points for Darcy bid and dont get 25 wiped away for nothing **this bid gets done early before the Darcy Bid, maybe even before the night starts...see above at Darcy Bid.
26 - - JUDSON CLARKE (RICH GIVE HAWKS 28,29,30 FOR 26 AND 2022 2ND)
A small forward who tackles hard and pressures well but also kicks goals, they like Clarke and would want to pounce before Carl or Haw got him first, and they also score another early 2nd rounder in the bank for 2022
27 - - JESSE MOTLOP
28 - - TYLER SONSIE
29 - - BLAKE HOWES
30 - - NED LONG
31 - - MITCH OWENS - WCE BID - STK MATCH
32 - - CONNOR MACDONALD
33 - - LACHLAN RANKIN
34 - - COREY WARNER
35 - - JOSH FAHEY - GEEL BID - GWS MATCH
36 - - TOBY CONWAY
37 - - COOPER MURLEY
38 - - ZAC TAYLOR (Rich give its own 2022 2nd to Geel for 38)
39 - - ANGUS SHELDRICK
40 - - LEWIS RAYSON

 

[theGav56]

PHANTOM PREDICTION WITH PICK SWAPS

ROUND 1

1 - - JASON HORNE-FRANCIS

GWS TRADE PICK 2 AND FUTURE 1ST AND 2ND, TO HAWKS FOR 5, 21 AND FUTURE 1ST

2 - - NICK DAICOS - HAWKS BID - COLL MATCH
3 - - SAM DARCY - HAWKS BID - WB MATCH
(WB do a deal with Bris trading out pick 23* (which would now be 25) and future 2nd, 3rd + 4th for Bris future 1st, 43 and 62, WB maximise pick 25 and bris gain points for next year and utilise the pick they would lose next year for nothing into getting points for the bids next year and pick 25 this year.
4 - - FINN CALLAGHAN
5 - - NEIL ERASMUS
6 - - MATT JOHNSON
They like Rachele but this is too high, without a viable swap they will keep this pick. They are keen on a taller mid with inside and outside skills BUT also composure which puts Johnson in the frame
7 - - MAC ANDREW
8 - - JYE AMISS
Erasmus is gone and FWD line needs filling, they take Amiss here before either of WCE, Rich or Ess get the chance to think about it
9 - - BEN HOBBS
They have liked Hobbs for a while, with plenty of outside runners available on their list, a bull, a grunt, a clearance machine is what they need to feed the ball out
10 - - JOSH GIBCUS (GWS TRADE 15 + 21 TO FREO FOR 10, 61 AND 69)
Gws get both of their men and keep points for a Fahey bid match
11 - - JOSH SINN (BRIS GIVE STK 16 + 20 FOR 11 + 2022 3RD)
(Brisbane like Sinn and he will not last till their pick with Essendon also keen, so the swap was done to get their man)
12 - - JOSH GOATER
Tall mid with a high ceiling fits the bill here
13 - - JOSH RACHELE
With Goater and Sinn gone, Ess like Rachele as he is a very good small forward who applies tackle pressure and can be a game changer off his own boot, Ward is a consideration but do they need another small mid. Could Knevitt go this high?.......possibly.
14 - - ARLO DRAPER
15 - - NASAIAH WANGANEEN-MILERA
16 - - JOSH WARD
With the want to stay in VIC, i can see Ward going here to STK, its not really a slide as in between Callaghan at 4 and Hobbs at 9, Ess is the only other VIC club with a pick and they do not need another smaller mid, Rachele projects as more of a small fwd at AFL level who could drift into the middle. Ward would be a good fit here at STK.
17 - - JACOB VAN ROOYEN
18 - - MITCH KNEVITT
A tall ball winning mid who is not slow, has good athletic traits and a big potential upside, i cant see him getting past Syd here especially with that area of need, **will he get to this pick though??
19 - - CAMPBELL CHESSER
20 - - SAM BUTLER
Wilmot is in consideration but Butler suits a need after booting Lonie aside in the delistings and they have already got their mid with WARD earlier. Will they go a defender here though??

ROUND 2

21 - - LEEK ALLEER (FREO GIVE 21 TO PORT FOR 2022 1ST)
Freo maximise this picks value, Port get a young backman with extreme athletic ability and huge upside to fill a hole in the def left by Hartlett and Lienert
22 - - RHETT BAZZO
23 - - MATTY ROBERTS
24 - - TOM BROWN
25 - - DARCY WILMOT (BRIS GIVE WB 2022 1ST, 43 + 62 FOR 25 AND 2022 2ND, 3RD + 4TH)
Wilmot is another that Bris like and he would suit their style of play, and they gain points for next year to match Ashcroft and Fletcher bids at the same time WB get extra points for Darcy bid and dont get 25 wiped away for nothing **this bid gets done early before the Darcy Bid, maybe even before the night starts...see above at Darcy Bid.
26 - - JUDSON CLARKE (RICH GIVE HAWKS 28,29,30 FOR 26 AND 2022 2ND)
A small forward who tackles hard and pressures well but also kicks goals, they like Clarke and would want to pounce before Carl or Haw got him first, and they also score another early 2nd rounder in the bank for 2022
27 - - JESSE MOTLOP
28 - - TYLER SONSIE
29 - - BLAKE HOWES
30 - - NED LONG
31 - - MITCH OWENS - WCE BID - STK MATCH
32 - - CONNOR MACDONALD
33 - - LACHLAN RANKIN
34 - - COREY WARNER
35 - - JOSH FAHEY - GEEL BID - GWS MATCH
36 - - TOBY CONWAY
37 - - COOPER MURLEY
38 - - ZAC TAYLOR (Rich give its own 2022 2nd to Geel for 38)
39 - - ANGUS SHELDRICK
40 - - LEWIS RAYSON

Well, that was fun.

 

[Smythe]

ROUND 1 MONTY'S

HORNE FRANCIS
DAICOS
DARCY
ANDREW
GIBCUS
CALLAGHAN
JOHNSON
HOBBS
WARD
RACHELE
ERASMUS
WANGANEEN-MILERA
AMISS
GOATER
SINN
DRAPER

I would be surprised to see any of these guys fall out of the first round, if i was forced to pick one that had most chance of missing it would be Draper due to his recent injury, but i think he did enough this year to get picked up in the first round.

DRAFT RISERS since start of the year

SAM DARCY - From nowhere to top 3

MITCH KNEVITT - Is definitely close to first round, and i think he will go in the first

TOM BROWN - Will come close to consideration by a few at the end of the first but should be the first one called out by Geelong

MITCH OWENS - Not much exposure but burst onto the scene and will command a bid early second given his scope and upside

ANGUS SHELDRICK - just dominated his year and again in the champs games, is a small mid but can get fwd to kick goals

LACHLAN RANKIN - Started high enough on boards then drifted into obscurity but showed he has AFL traits, speed, smarts and crafty skills and wouldn't surprise me if he went in the second round

LEEK ALLEER - Come on in leaps and bounds this year, disposal not great, but athletically gifted and reads the play very well. He will go in the second and maybe early on.

RHETT BAZZO - started year slow after being rated highly last year, showed no confidence in himself, went fwd, then back to def and got better every game, coming from outside my 50 earlier in the year to be in early 2nd round contention

DRAFT SLIDERS since start of the year

MATTY ROBERTS - started the year ranked very high, and although he may still go late first early second there is a chance he goes mid-late second, mainly due to speed. but has smarts and a good footballer.

JOSH FAHEY - started the year rated well inside top 10, but no exposure and injury held him out where he may be bid on in second round instead of top 10

SAM BANKS - again, not much exposure and injury held him out, has great footy smarts, good decision maker but where will he get picked and when??

MARCUS WINDHAGER - There was talk of an early second round bid but another injury at the wrong time may just see him not bid on at all and slide to rookie draft pleasing STK fans

TYLER SONSIE - He certainly has skills and is a good footballer who kicks goals and has good mid craft but not a two way runner yet and far from it There was talk of easy top 10 most of the first half of the year but now most likely second rounder, having said that, there are clubs at the end of the first round that like him, but would he even be best available at that point....

DRAFT SMOKIES

ARTHUR JONES - showed glimpses of magic but will his size deter some

JOSH CRIPPS - showed his athleticism at the combine and when not injured he played good footy at times

ANDY MONIZ-WAKEFIELD - has super skill and evasiveness (melb next gen)

JAI SERONG - at a weird size not big enough for KPP and too big for MID, he has good athleticism and mix of endurance and speed, no discernable position yet though

TAJ WOEWODIN - super athletic, has hops and he had a good year. He cracks in every game and should have a father/son bid matched by melb late, or may go earlier given the end to his year

RONALD FEJO JNR - he is one of my favorite movers in the game. not a big contested game but a super evasive, weaving and darting through traffic game with possibly the best foot skills in the draft pool alongside Wanganeen-Milera and Rayson.

OVER-AGERS GARNERING INTEREST

MITCH COX - Fwd and a tackler who kicks goals, late draft/rookie chance.

EAMON WILKINSON - Again, small forward provides lots of pressure, rookie chance.

CHARLIE DEAN - Third round onwards chance. Best young player medal in VFL.

LEEK ALLEER - Stormed into early second round chance.

TOBY TRIFFETT - Rookie chance, showed good form this year.

RONALD FEJO JNR - see above in draft smokies

JOSH CRIPPS - see above in draft smokies

NATHAN FREEMAN

Nathan Freeman

Age

30

Ht

183cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

8.5

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.5

4star

CL

1.0

3star

No current season stats available

D

16.5

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

8.5

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.5

4star

CL

1.0

3star

- had suitors mid year and they are still around, rookie chance

GREG CLARK - great year, amazing WAFL grand final, rookie chance

BAILEY ROGERS - WAFL BNF, late draft to rookie chance

JACOB DAWSON

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Jacob Dawson

Age

26

Ht

182cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

8.1

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

15.0

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

4star

- great VFL year, can he get another shot, rookie chance

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Interesting trades for Brisbane. I feel we win the Bulldogs trade and lose the Saints trade. But with only three list spots available, it's not a big deal if we come out ahead in points for next year. I like both Sinn and Wilmot, although I wonder if the club will want to go for an established midfield prospect with their top pick.

 

[weltschmerz]

ROUND 1 MONTY'S

HORNE FRANCIS
DAICOS
DARCY
ANDREW
GIBCUS
CALLAGHAN
JOHNSON
HOBBS
WARD
RACHELE
ERASMUS
WANGANEEN-MILERA
AMISS
GOATER
SINN
DRAPER

I would be surprised to see any of these guys fall out of the first round, if i was forced to pick one that had most chance of missing it would be Draper due to his recent injury, but i think he did enough this year to get picked up in the first round.

DRAFT RISERS since start of the year

MITCH KNEVITT - Is definitely close to first round, and i think he will go in the first

TOM BROWN - Will come close to consideration by a few at the end of the first but should be the first one called out by Geelong

MITCH OWENS - Not much exposure but burst onto the scene and will command a bid early second given his scope and upside

ANGUS SHELDRICK - just dominated his year and again in the champs games, is a small mid but can get fwd to kick goals

LACHLAN RANKIN - Started high enough on boards then drifted into obscurity but showed he has AFL traits, speed, smarts and crafty skills and wouldn't surprise me if he went in the second round

LEEK ALLEER - Come on in leaps and bounds this year, disposal not great, but athletically gifted and reads the play very well. He will go in the second and maybe early on.

RHETT BAZZO - started year slow after being rated highly last year, showed no confidence in himself, went fwd, then back to def and got better every game, coming from outside my 50 earlier in the year to be in early 2nd round contention

DRAFT SLIDERS since start of the year

MATTY ROBERTS - started the year ranked very high, and although he may still go late first early second there is a chance he goes mid-late second, mainly due to speed. but has smarts and a good footballer.

JOSH FAHEY - started the year rated well inside top 10, but no exposure and injury held him out where he may be bid on in second round instead of top 10

SAM BANKS - again, not much exposure and injury held him out, has great footy smarts, good decision maker but where will he get picked and when??

MARCUS WINDHAGER - There was talk of an early second round bid but another injury at the wrong time may just see him not bid on at all and slide to rookie draft pleasing STK fans

TYLER SONSIE - He certainly has skills and is a good footballer who kicks goals and has good mid craft but not a two way runner yet and far from it There was talk of easy top 10 most of the first half of the year but now most likely second rounder, having said that, there are clubs at the end of the first round that like him, but would he even be best available at that point....

DRAFT SMOKIES

ARTHUR JONES - showed glimpses of magic but will his size deter some

JOSH CRIPPS - showed his athleticism at the combine and when not injured he played good footy at times

ANDY MONIZ-WAKEFIELD - has super skill and evasiveness (melb next gen)

JAI SERONG - at a weird size not big enough for KPP and too big for MID, he has good athleticism and mix of endurance and speed, no discernable position yet though

TAJ WOEWODIN - super athletic, has hops and he had a good year. He cracks in every game and should have a father/son bid matched by melb late, or may go earlier given the end to his year

RONALD FEJO JNR - he is one of my favorite movers in the game. not a big contested game but a super evasive, weaving and darting through traffic game with possibly the best foot skills in the draft pool alongside Wanganeen-Milera and Rayson.

Surely Darcy's the biggest bolter since the start of the year.

 

[Smythe]

Interesting trades for Brisbane. I feel we win the Bulldogs trade and lose the Saints trade. But with only three list spots available, it's not a big deal if we come out ahead in points for next year. I like both Sinn and Wilmot, although I wonder if the club will want to go for an established midfield prospect with their top pick.

Hence why i put an asterix next to Knevitt at Sydney, saying will he make it this far. But if you are after an established midfielder at your first pick the only real established midfielder left would be Matty Roberts and i don't see Brisbane going for that, Goater perhaps but im not sure Brisbane would go for that either with Sinn still on the board. All other established midfielders are either small or not worth a first round pick IMO.
The Lions may not really care yet about points for next year, but if you can get them now i think they would take that given the need for points in 2022

 

[Smythe]

Surely Darcy's the biggest bolter since the start of the year.

Not really, he was a shock fast riser early then held in high regard around mid way of the year and has been there since. But I see your point and have edited.

 

[joydivision22]

I'll track you down and give you a big kiss smythe if stk comes away with Ward, Butler, Owens and likely Windhager. would be redic

 

[mattyc75]

Interesting if true that ward has indicated he doesnt want to move interstate. Cant wait til a highly rated west aussie wont move

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