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So... Essendon is finished?

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Sep 17, 2003
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Ive noticed all these threads, everyone having a dig at the likely wooden spooners. Fair enough, it happens to other clubs, we should be no exception.

One thing I think everyone is forgetting is that football works in cycles. I was watching over some games from when we were smashing everyone in 2000. A lot of other teams mainly had youngers in their first 3 years, whom definitely didnt have mature bodies and struggled to compete. We are now in a similar position.

Look at the premiership teams of recent years. All had many mature bodies. Just because we are losing every week now doesnt mean these guys wont be winning matches in years to come. They will become more experienced, their bodies will be stronger, combined with some better direction and stroke of luck come injury wise anything is possible.

Dyson, Watson, Monfries, Winderlich, Bradley, Dempsey, Johns, Jolley, Laycock, Lee, Lovett-Murray, Welsh, McPhee, Lovett, Slattery, Ryder and Stanton are all still young and have their best footy in front of them. Sure some are poor at times, but its much easier to look good when a team is winning. Also don't forget that they are generally competing against players who have weight and experience advantages. We can't expect miracles. It isn't like 1993 when the Baby bombers could control games. Nowadays, players are on a physical development timeline, they get bigger, they get stronger, any time of off the track sets you back.


If we get a fit Lloyd back next year and if his form is anything like the way he started off this year, then he will make a huge difference, especially to our structure. Add Johns and Lucas in there along with the likes of Monfries, Lovett and even Hird and we will be dangerous next year.

Say we get three 1st round picks in this years draft (esp Gibbs), they will add to the team immensely.

Then all we can hope for is for Fletch, the Johnsons, McVeigh, Campo, Heffernan, Hille and Solly to have injury free seasons and provide experienced heads.

Cartledge, Bolton, Henno, Pev, Rama and Rioli will all probably either be gone or at years end to go along with all the delistings from last season. We will be an up and coming side and once these youngsters begin to peak we will be a very competitive side for years to come

Many of you can suggest that ‘we’ve had everyone but Lloyd this season’ but there are other factors that come into it. We were on fire in the first game against Sydney. That team that night would have troubled most teams. The next five or so games we lost narrowly, if certain things had happened, such as umpire decisions or injuries didn’t occur things could have been different. I think we kicked the first 5 goals of the game against the Bulldogs until they got two goals from one possession. Lloyd went down and the team hasn’t been the same since. Confidence is a major factor. Just look at Collingwood. They are unstoppable when they are all up and running but when they are down they look like a different team. We also have a lot of players who are playing carrying injuries and far from where they need to be. To be as competitive as we have is a fair return.

Even though we have won less games this year than last, I’m much more pleased with the effort from the guys compared to last year, where they just gave up during games and were toyed with. The competitiveness has raised a notch and is exactly what these youngsters need. This pain will fuel them into the future.

So to sum it up, I’m not saying we are gonna win a premiership in the next 3 years because there are other teams with good young players also. A lot of sides who are at a greater stage of development than we are. But what I’m saying is, that in football a lot has to do with these 3 main areas

Injuries – Who goes down, how vital are they to your team?

Senior Players- Whether they can stand up and carry the responsibility

Development of Young Players – Who stands up. How much can they offer.

If all three areas can be marked off as positive, then any side will give it a decent crack. Soon enough other teams will have injury problems, lose senior players or just decline. It happens!

Am I just trying to be positive because my side is rabble? No I’m just being realistic. We will rise eventually, others will fall. Sometimes it happens sooner than expected, other times it doesn’t. That’s life!

I just don’t think it is as bad as everyone makes out despite what the ladder would suggest
 
keepzitreal said:
Ive noticed all these threads, everyone having a dig at the likely wooden spooners. Fair enough, it happens to other clubs, we should be no exception.

One thing I think everyone is forgetting is that football works in cycles.

Fremantle supporters must be wondering how long the cycle is,


Bottom eight, bottom eight, bottom eight, bottom eight, bottom eight, just in the eight, bottom eight, bottom eight, and so it goes hardly a cycle.
 
Mutant said:
Fremantle supporters must be wondering how long the cycle is,


Bottom eight, bottom eight, bottom eight, bottom eight, bottom eight, just in the eight, bottom eight, bottom eight, and so it goes hardly a cycle.

The last three or four years they havent been able to make the most of their opportunities. Id say their list should be close to peaking in the next year or two
 
I think their recruiting has a lot to answer for.

While there have been some great pick ups in some of the younger players you have mentioned, there have been some abject failures.

Players such as Allan, Alvey, Murphy, Heffernan and to some degree Camporeale are not the answer. Even Aussie Jones has been suggested recently (though not seriously I expect).

St.Kilda were the experts at this type of recruitment for years and it almost sent us to the wall.

Time to invest heavily in youth and take a little pain, rather than repeat the mistakes of the past by investing in players like Akermanis et al.
 

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keepzitreal said:
Dyson, Watson, Monfries, Winderlich, Bradley, Dempsey, Johns, Jolley, Laycock, Lee, Lovett-Murray, Welsh, McPhee, Lovett, Slattery, Ryder and Stanton are all still young


Most other clubs dont count 24yo (Lovett, Lovett-Murray, McPhee) as their teams youngsters.

Winderlich is a poor mans Aaron Fiora.

Essendon are a rabble.

that is all. :thumbsu:

:) have a nice day!
 
MadDawg said:
Most other clubs dont count 24yo (Lovett, Lovett-Murray, McPhee) as their teams youngsters.

None of them are 24.

We constantly hear Hawthorn fans refer to Mitchell and Williams as youngsters.
Winderlich doesn't play in the same position, nor does he play the same style of game as Fiora. Nor does he possess similar qualities. What foot does he kick with?

Keep punching turbo.
 
MadDawg said:
Most other clubs dont count 24yo (Lovett, Lovett-Murray, McPhee) as their teams youngsters.

Winderlich is a poor mans Aaron Fiora.

Essendon are a rabble.

that is all. :thumbsu:

:) have a nice day!

Point being that they have their best footy in front of them.
 
what are you talking about? it just shows a picture of monfires contesting vs sylvia in a game theyve played obviously over the past two years.

fairly idiotic, non existant observation wouldn't you say?
 
johnson_26 said:
what are you talking about? it just shows a picture of monfires contesting vs sylvia in a game theyve played obviously over the past two years.

fairly idiotic, non existant observation wouldn't you say?

Id agree with that
 
Mutant said:
Fremantle supporters must be wondering how long the cycle is,


Bottom eight, bottom eight, bottom eight, bottom eight, bottom eight, just in the eight, bottom eight, bottom eight, and so it goes hardly a cycle.
Very funny!
The rigged cycle of success only works if the club management is competent!
 
For the next 10 years they are. They are at stage one of what I call the Carlton cycle. Lasts about 10 years maybe even longer. I can safely say that every Essendon youngster besides Monfires would not be on a WCE or Adelaide list never mind there team
 
Embers said:
For the next 10 years they are. They are at stage one of what I call the Carlton cycle. Lasts about 10 years maybe even longer. I can safely say that every Essendon youngster besides Monfires would not be on a WCE or Adelaide list never mind there team
I think your getting carried away there.
 

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Embers, both lists would take Stanton, Watson and Johns without question even with a stacked midfield Stanton is a good player you would take. McPhee when fit is one of the bests going around he will be back up soon. And whoever said Winderlich is a poor mans fiora is an idiot. Winderlich before he went down was starting to rack up alot of the ball and uses it extreemly well. His very fast and has good endurance aswell. Winderlich>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fiora
 
Dyson, Watson, Monfries, Winderlich, Bradley, Dempsey, Johns, Jolley, Laycock, Lee, Lovett-Murray, Welsh, McPhee, Lovett, Slattery, Ryder and Stanton are all still young and have their best footy in front of them.

In your opinion, how many of these will turn out to be 100-200 game players? Answer honestly, Bombers fans.

Every club has a crop of young players but "potential" is a comforting word for supporters of struggling teams. You really need a few of them to start doing something to justify their place on the list.
 
Embers said:
For the next 10 years they are. They are at stage one of what I call the Carlton cycle.
Carlton won't be down for 10 years and with the draft means clubs like Essendon and Carlton will be back in 5 seasons, look at how hopeless the St Kilda and WCE football clubs were just 6 seasons ago. :)

The Essendon Football Club are still the wealthiest club in the league and they will be back before not too long if they spend that $13.5 million they've go in the bank. They might even buy Judd as his manager said in today's Age and then your one man team would be finished. :cool:
 

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bresker said:
In your opinion, how many of these will turn out to be 100-200 game players? Answer honestly, Bombers fans.

Watson, Monfries, Stanton, Lovett-Murray, Welsh, McPhee definately.

Three have already played 50 games, Stanton not to far off. McPhee is two games off 100, Welsh six.
Monfries and Watson's work ethic will demand they get to 100, they won't let themselves fail.

Ryder and Slattery have made a good enough start. A lot to like about Slattery, no frills, does his job. He won't be special, but he'll be one of the first picked most weeks.

Laycock, Lovett and Johns have other variables despite talent. Injury, attitude etc.

Dyson and Winderlich have shown talent, but haven't shown consistency. 2007 to tell the story.

Dempsey, Jolley, Lee, it's far too early to tell. Played half a dozen games between them.

Bradley is one I find difficult to rate. He's one that could develop into a star or fail to deliver. He could even get traded home.
 
You are at the start of your bottom out cycle.

Geelong
Bulldogs
Saints

all spent a few years down the bottom of the ladder and are now quality sides

Richmond
Hawthorn

have spent the last few years down the bottom and are now showing signs that they will be strong forces in the next 2-5 years

Carlton have spent several years down the bottom and who knows what they are doing

The bombers have plummeted to the bottom this year and will sit there for a few years, the same as anyone else. The only big difference between this year and next is lloyd and a couple of high draft picks.
 
Essendon's real problems lie in its 24-28 age group. The next leadship group. They lack a real core of players that will take them into final 8 contention over the next 3-4 years. Their recruiting since 2000 has been fairly absymal and they've over looked good picks and taken too many gambles. The bottoming out has just begun. They will be in the bottom 4-6 for the next 3-4 years at least I feel.
 
KUNG FU said:
Essendon's real problems lie in its 24-28 age group. The next leadship group. They lack a real core of players that will take them into final 8 contention over the next 3-4 years. Their recruiting since 2000 has been fairly absymal and they've over looked good picks and taken too many gambles. The bottoming out has just begun. They will be in the bottom 4-6 for the next 3-4 years at least I feel.


That has a bit of weight. Our recruiting has been up and down, the last 2 years it's on a steady rise up but years previous were a bit ordinary.

Having a big cleanout at the end of last year, 12 players I think, doesn't help. Especially when you get a few injuries and the middle-tier players simply don't deliver.

It explains why we sit and No.16.
 
ShanBoi said:
The bombers have plummeted to the bottom this year and will sit there for a few years, the same as anyone else.
The same as collingwood in 99? Their first spoon for a while certaintly saw them linger in the bottom 4 all of 3 years...
 

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