Review Soft Selection Committee

[mike91]

Lets face it, our selection committee is a joke, plain and simple, in fact that's almost a compliment. Our changes for the upcoming match isn't even surprising, we've brought back Suban after 20 odd touches at WAFL level in a match that Peel won easily, hardly impressive and Sutcliffe after playing no form of football whatsoever last week. Morabito fills a need off half back, especially with Ibbo and Croz out, yet isn't even named in the squad. I'd rather see Nyhauis named in the squad, even if he doesn't make the cut, just name him and give him that boost of confidence. Last week we dropped Taberner in Apeness's first game of the year, those two are our future forwards as of right now and we dropped Taberner........I mean seriously

Blakely got dropped a few weeks ago, in a way we can agree with it because he needs to learn the defensive side of his game, but I would of thought Weller could of been dropped many, many times this year. Weller is good, no doubt about it, but the double standards is real. Langdon has been dropped a few times this year too, but I'd argue for impact on games, Langdon could almost be on par with Weller whilst playing less games, but Ross continued to drop him. We STILL haven't had the balls to drop D. Pearce or Mayne.

Almost every week we're left face palming and we're never surprised to see players like Suban, Clarke and Sutcliffe going back into the squad almost immediately.

I truly believe Ross Lyon is a great coach, but to me he has easily been the worse coach of 2016. Some will say we've tanked, but for a lot of matches I actually highly doubt we have. Mediocre player performances have been seen as acceptable this year, no tough selection changes and hasn't gotten the vast majority of the team playing anything close to good football. We drafted Tucker as a flanker, yet play him as a middle, we should be trying to turn him into the next Heath Shaw, feed him the ball off half back and play Sheridan on a wing, where he belongs, bloke is anything but a defender. How about the fact nothing has changed about our failing forward structure, wouldn't of thought telling the players to lower their eyes or they'll be punished is that hard, yet all we do is bomb it long like we're copying the Aus Kickers at half time.

Ross will be better next year with the injured players at his disposal, but hes coaching performance this year has been poor and a lot needs to change during the off season/pre season, especially our game plan and forward structure, or dare I say lack of.

 

[go_the_dockers]

We have no depth this year, everyone is injured so there isn't much we can do.

I don't care about our selections this year, I only care about what happens over trade week and that we are building towards a flag.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

Geez, can we at least wait for the final teams this afternoon.

TBH, most of what is in OP should go into the melt thread.

 

[clivenator26]

Danyle Pearce probably should've been dropped at some point, I can't imagine Ross is giving him the instructions to get soft possessions and use the ball poorly.He was pathetic last week before junk timing some stats to make his effort look good, he was nowhere in the first half.

I thought Ibbo was harshly dropped but he is back in the mix now with Tendai ruled out.

 

[AAACockburn]

Looking from our position this point of the season.
It would be a reward not to get selected.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Geez, can we at least wait for the final teams this afternoon.

TBH, most of what is in OP should go into the melt thread.

Mate you'd let a Dockers play root your girlfriend. You won't hear anything bad said about the club.

Honestly if you think DeBoer, Suban, Clancee, Mzungu deserved even one game this season (they are total spuds in a rebuilding team) then you'd know their dropping and re-selection is cause for concern. This is a year for developing youngsters, and playing these guys makes absolutely no sense. They should have been replaced as the deadwood they are after the 2013 season, instead they have already peaked and are limiting the AFL time of other players. How they get more games is seriously beyond me – it is detrimental to development, and playing them serves 0 purpose. They should not be on our, or basically any, AFL list come October.

Do you really think this weeks selection is going to be some massive difference? Nyihus playing, or two more debuts, role experimentation? I doubt it. It will be the same old favouritism dished up – Silvagni out, Clarke playing.

The selection panel has been shocking for years. Hawthorn clean out a premiership winning team; we keep on keeping on – three seasons later – with guys who were average in a losing Grand Final team. It's a pathetic joke. Lyon's favouritism toward some players and neglect toward others is bordering on suspicious... you wonder what blackmail material guys like Matt DeBoer must have on him.

This thread is seasons too late. But it is just one part of the problem.

Getting rid of Chris Bond and then having a list developer who actually lives a few postcodes close to Fremantle is the first priority, though. I guess you can at least have Ross Lyon making favourites out of a pool of better players. Until then, we'll keep singing on Clancees to one year deals and the old classic, Suban on a four-year deal (as he did years back).

 

[freo_leo29]

We have played a shit load of
Youngsters this year, does anyone remember questioning if Ross would even play youngsters if we were in a rebuild position? Because if you guys were still using that mindset then you would be flipping thrilled at our selections this year, yes suban and co are still getting games but playing 1st year rookies ahead of them really wouldn't do
Much for the team, I am sure they would have missed more games if our stars didn't all get injured too.

 

[mike91]

Geez, can we at least wait for the final teams this afternoon.

TBH, most of what is in OP should go into the melt thread.

This week is just an example, I'm talking/venting about the season as a whole and the poor coaching for the whole season. You can't honestly tell me the continuous poor selections every single week don't bother you nor could you actually say Ross has coached well this year, even with injuries. His coaching this year is close to a D mark.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

This week is just an example, I'm talking/venting about the season as a whole and the poor coaching for the whole season. You can't honestly tell me the continuous poor selections every single week don't bother you nor could you actually say Ross has coached well this year, even with injuries. His coaching this year is close to a D mark.

Not much bothers me nowadays. Maybe it is just me

 

[meima]

Not much bothers me nowadays. Maybe it is just me

Definitely is just you ,

 

[Paracleet]

I definitely would have waited till after 3 pm today before posting my "I can't believe they bought Suban back" thread.

 

[meima]

Ummm interesting , look like suban is not that popular even for best 25. Best 22 he is pushing it.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

Ummm interesting , look like suban is not that popular even for best 25. Best 22 he is pushing it.

I am tipping him for BnF next year for Peel

 

[meima]

I am tipping him for BnF next year for Peel

Next year i am looking forward cam Shepard will F#$k him out every single match.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

Weller 19
Blakely 12
Langdon 10
Tucker 9
Hughes 4

Suban 15
Ibbotson 13
Mzungu 5
Pearce C 4

Nah i'm fine with the overall job this year thanks. Agree they should have started down the path earlier but yeah, no issues. And, hell, i'm even someone who genuinely thinks Clancee has more to add to our team in future.

Move this shit to the melt thread anyway. Suban and Sutcliffe both emergencies; Weller, Tucker, Langdon, Blakely and Hughes in the named 22.

 

[Paracleet]

Next year i am looking forward cam Shepard will F#$k him out every single match.

I think my universal translator is malfunctioning..

 

[UFO Tatsu]

I think my universal translator is malfunctioning..

It does paint a vivid imagery

 

[meima]

I think my universal translator is malfunctioning..

My language only UFO can understand.

 

[Proud SJW]

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The selection panel has been shocking for years. Hawthorn clean out a premiership winning team; we keep on keeping on – three seasons later – with guys who were average in a losing Grand Final team. It's a pathetic joke. Lyon's favouritism toward some players and neglect toward others is bordering on suspicious... you wonder what blackmail material guys like Matt DeBoer must have on him.(blah blah blah...)

Yeah, well. Like I said a few days ago, I did myself the service of going back to 2004-5 on the Hawthorn boards and reading forward year by year. And guess what? They had their Silent Alarms too. Every single decision the club made attracted similar sorts of crap to yours above. Absolute refusal to see anything positive about the club.

It's like looking at our boards this year, 2007 especially. Why oh why isn't Hodge the Captain, doubts about the gameplan, Clarkos' box has been worked out and ohmygod we're so bloody defensive it's embarrassing, Pagan's said he's available so we should be throwing $ at him instead of this new coach who has been here three years and still hasn't got us a premiership, sure sign him up for another year if we can't get Pagan, but why 3 years ffs, why can't we be a more attacking team, our drafting team is such crap, we've had all these early draft picks but we're still shit, why aren't we playing the kids instead of the same old players,why the fk isn't Beau Muston getting a game, he's an out and out champion killing it in the twos but we're still playing players like <Croad, Crawford, Chance Bateman> , etc etc...

Some of the comments on continuing to play Bateman, Croad and Crawford in '06 through '08 (in particular) ahead of Muston and Xavier Ellis (in particular) are pretty much word for word identical to yours.
Which may or may not be an exaggeration.

By comparison, there were Hawthorn posters admiring Clarkson for pulling Hawthorn out of the doldrums and making them competitive again, loving a change in club culture, casting a few doubts over the game plan ("I know we're winning games again but does anyone really believe we'll win a premiership with a defensive game plan against the likes of Geelong?" - "I love Clarko for what he's done but it might be time now to move him on and get someone in who'll take us to the next level")

And then there were the "Clarko is God. Our players are the bestest and our youth has more potential than anyone's in the league." Sort of posters as well. As fate would have it, they turned out to be more or less correct. Fate is a fickle bitch, though.

And yes, I can post the threads if you like, because I saved all the links - well, not all of them (because there were a hell of a lot) but a few of the more pertinent ones. Not even sure why I did, I was half considering writing a full comparison at some point (some of it is eerily familiar) but would probably be more effort than it's worth. Was more just out of my own interest.

Now of course, it's the "team Clarkson built" (even though Hodge, Mitchell, Sewell, Lewis, Roughhead, Franklin etc were all drafted before he became the coach), even though in the two years before he became coach they had draft picks we haven't seen for the last ten years and no GC/GWS to contend with, now he's now the best coach evers in all the worlds and now it's all "oh, Hawthorn have nailed the draft/trading strategy completely". Even though they've had as many draft busts as we've had.
even post - '08, there were more than a few "why don't we draft any decent fkng KPP's" threads.

All on the back of what is widely considered a "premature" premiership in '08 which heralded a "winning culture"... which had a fair hand in attracting some very advantageous trades.


You know, if you've got doubts, by all means express them. Go ahead - we all do, at one point or another. But consistently calling everything Freo crap and the constant moaning and bitching is about as useful as a condom vending machine in the Vatican.
You're not new. You're not original. You're not honest, you're not one of a kind.
You're just a whiny bitch.

 

[wayToGo_]

But consistently calling everything Freo crap and the constant moaning and bitching is about as useful as a condom vending machine in the Vatican.

Cardinal Pell doesn't practice safe sex when he...?

P.S. How is that guy not in jail?

 

[Spacia]

Well put _Wildcard_ and a 100% agree

 

[Silent Alarm]

Yeah, well. Like I said a few days ago, I did myself the service of going back to 2004-5 on the Hawthorn boards and reading forward year by year. And guess what? They had their Silent Alarms too. Every single decision the club made attracted similar sorts of crap to yours above. Absolute refusal to see anything positive about the club.

It's like looking at our boards this year, 2007 especially. Why oh why isn't Hodge the Captain, doubts about the gameplan, Clarkos' box has been worked out and ohmygod we're so bloody defensive it's embarrassing, Pagan's said he's available so we should be throwing $ at him instead of this new coach who has been here three years and still hasn't got us a premiership, sure sign him up for another year if we can't get Pagan, but why 3 years ffs, why can't we be a more attacking team, our drafting team is such crap, we've had all these early draft picks but we're still shit, why aren't we playing the kids instead of the same old players,why the fk isn't Beau Muston getting a game, he's an out and out champion killing it in the twos but we're still playing players like <Croad, Crawford, Chance Bateman> , etc etc...

Some of the comments on continuing to play Bateman, Croad and Crawford in '06 through '08 (in particular) ahead of Muston and Xavier Ellis (in particular) are pretty much word for word identical to yours.
Which may or may not be an exaggeration.

By comparison, there were Hawthorn posters admiring Clarkson for pulling Hawthorn out of the doldrums and making them competitive again, loving a change in club culture, casting a few doubts over the game plan ("I know we're winning games again but does anyone really believe we'll win a premiership with a defensive game plan against the likes of Geelong?" - "I love Clarko for what he's done but it might be time now to move him on and get someone in who'll take us to the next level")

And then there were the "Clarko is God. Our players are the bestest and our youth has more potential than anyone's in the league." Sort of posters as well. As fate would have it, they turned out to be more or less correct. Fate is a fickle bitch, though.

And yes, I can post the threads if you like, because I saved all the links - well, not all of them (because there were a hell of a lot) but a few of the more pertinent ones. Not even sure why I did, I was half considering writing a full comparison at some point (some of it is eerily familiar) but would probably be more effort than it's worth. Was more just out of my own interest.

Now of course, it's the "team Clarkson built" (even though Hodge, Mitchell, Sewell, Lewis, Roughhead, Franklin etc were all drafted before he became the coach), even though in the two years before he became coach they had draft picks we haven't seen for the last ten years and no GC/GWS to contend with, now he's now the best coach evers in all the worlds and now it's all "oh, Hawthorn have nailed the draft/trading strategy completely". Even though they've had as many draft busts as we've had.
even post - '08, there were more than a few "why don't we draft any decent fkng KPP's" threads.

All on the back of what is widely considered a "premature" premiership in '08 which heralded a "winning culture"... which had a fair hand in attracting some very advantageous trades.

You know, if you've got doubts, by all means express them. Go ahead - we all do, at one point or another. But consistently calling everything Freo crap and the constant moaning and bitching is about as useful as a condom vending machine in the Vatican.
You're not new. You're not original. You're not honest, you're not one of a kind.
You're just a whiny bitch.

Keep telling yourself that.

Whiny little bitch? We're losing every game and how promising are our youngsters? We don't have a Cripps, Bontempelli, Hogan, Bruce...

If Ross Lyon and this team wins a flag I'll be staggered. If they win three, or four in less than a decade, wow.

You're just happy with mediocrity. I swear some people on this board are actually nuffies.

 

[salim malik]

Its so damn ironic that its always the mediocre posters who bring up the happy with mediocrity card.

 

[nurries]

Keep telling yourself that.

Whiny little bitch? We're losing every game and how promising are our youngsters? We don't have a Cripps, Bontempelli, Hogan, Bruce...

If Ross Lyon and this team wins a flag I'll be staggered. If they win three, or four in less than a decade, wow.

You're just happy with mediocrity. I swear some people on this board are actually nuffies.

When's the last time we had picks good enough to get a Cripps, Bonts, Hogan etc?

 

[Righteo]

Keep the personal attacks out when constructing arguments. Ffs it's really not that difficult to grasp.